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Loads of PPV events on Youtube, huh? :roll eyes:
You have no business plan. The operational costs of sites like youtube are astronomical, never mind the prohibitive capital investment required. To even suggest an independent alternative could be funded purely through advertising revenue for a site whose content is restricted to a niche sport is the special kind of crazy reserved for the wilfully ignorant.
You've already dodged a challenge to cite your source of $500,000 (because it's pure fantasy) and you've openly admitted one of your goals is to make money for yourself.
Best of luck in your endeavours, but, I'm out! :thumbup:
There are a lot of streamers not paying pool players. There is one that charges a 7.99 subscription fee for access to all the matches he has recorded that doesn't pay the players. So it's more than youtube they could care less.
You have a basic misconception -
Let's for a moment just go with the premise that your $500,000 claim is correct and can be proven. So you are claiming the pool players are entitled to a share of that. One major problem....there's no profit there. YouTube as a company breaks even or slightly loses money for Google. Their server maintenance costs are prohibitive and every person with AdBlock running on their browser costs them money every time they go to YouTube.
So yes, YouTube is bringing in money from the views in their site, but there is NO profit to be distributed in their current model.
Let's for a moment just go with the premise that your $500,000 claim is correct and can be proven. So you are claiming the pool players are entitled to a share of that. One major problem....there's no profit there. YouTube as a company breaks even or slightly loses money for Google. Their server maintenance costs are prohibitive and every person with AdBlock running on their browser costs them money every time they go to YouTube.
So yes, YouTube is bringing in money from the views in their site, but there is NO profit to be distributed in their current model.
Another person who posts something and doesn't do their homework.
People do business on the internet. It's an open-source.
YouTube is part of the www.
So are you going to regulate the internet now?
I want revenues directed to the pool industry as well, but I'm not going to support
that by restricting free-market and free speech.
Take your face book posting and go somewhere else with it.
Ignorance is rampant in this world I freaking tell ya.
Banks
Banned
It's been said repeatedly that the entire idea is off. What's there to talk about?
More importantly.. will people get paid for their input?
I can't wait til I'm at a tournament (playing), watch a match or two in between mine, and a player before each shot asks everyone watching for a quarter.....
I mean, his/her artistic talents are on display, and they are definitely worthy of compensation to show said skills....why shoot until until you get paid!!!???
It all sounds like a fine and dandy way for a few more billiards enthusiasts (those setting up the websites...etc.) to make money from the game, but other than that....
I'm still not sure how "the game" is helped by the players getting a few more dollars in their pocket?
I mean, his/her artistic talents are on display, and they are definitely worthy of compensation to show said skills....why shoot until until you get paid!!!???
It all sounds like a fine and dandy way for a few more billiards enthusiasts (those setting up the websites...etc.) to make money from the game, but other than that....
I'm still not sure how "the game" is helped by the players getting a few more dollars in their pocket?
I just read this whole thread, and I'm sitting here scratching my head. Where on earth did you come up with a number like $500,000 that pool supposedly generates for youtube? Since there is no way you have access to their financials, you had to just pick a number that you thought would bolster your case.
In reality, I would be surprised if pool on you tube generated even $1,000 a year. No one is spending their advertising dollars just because there are a tiny amount of people that watch a few pool videos now and then.
It's actually just the opposite. Because advertisers do spend their dollars on you tube hoping to get seen by the millions of people that view various subjects, people are allowed to post their videos for free. Thereby, hopefully generating some interest in the subject for others. Pool benefits from you tube, it is not hurt by you tube in the least.
I understand you wanting to do something to help the players out. And, I applaud that effort. But, the way you are going about it, the way I see it, does nothing but hurt the players. Your attempt at sensationalism instead of fact tells me that what you say is not to be trusted, and I for one wouldn't spend any dollars on your site.
If you really want to know how much money there is to be made by the players from streaming, just ask Justin or Mark G. And, that's not even to mention the fact that you feel the players deserve it. They aren't there for entertainment for others. They are playing for the cash. Without their backers (99% of them anyways), they wouldn't be playing at all. What do you plan on kicking back to the backers that made it possible for the players to even play?
In reality, I would be surprised if pool on you tube generated even $1,000 a year. No one is spending their advertising dollars just because there are a tiny amount of people that watch a few pool videos now and then.
It's actually just the opposite. Because advertisers do spend their dollars on you tube hoping to get seen by the millions of people that view various subjects, people are allowed to post their videos for free. Thereby, hopefully generating some interest in the subject for others. Pool benefits from you tube, it is not hurt by you tube in the least.
I understand you wanting to do something to help the players out. And, I applaud that effort. But, the way you are going about it, the way I see it, does nothing but hurt the players. Your attempt at sensationalism instead of fact tells me that what you say is not to be trusted, and I for one wouldn't spend any dollars on your site.
If you really want to know how much money there is to be made by the players from streaming, just ask Justin or Mark G. And, that's not even to mention the fact that you feel the players deserve it. They aren't there for entertainment for others. They are playing for the cash. Without their backers (99% of them anyways), they wouldn't be playing at all. What do you plan on kicking back to the backers that made it possible for the players to even play?
Thanks Max for the 1 positive comment that I've seen so far.
$500,000 is pretty low considering how much billiard content is on that site. And it's a drop in the bucket for YouTube. But I'm betting if that figure is accurate it likely includes snooker and home made content and not just pro pool tournaments.
So you take pool down from streaming sites or stop uploading it, who are you hurting? Perhaps the fans who have to spend $20 a day on a ppv that is broadcasted while you are at work in order to see any new content? It certainly won't be YouTube that's harmed.
If we want players to be paid, there needs to be a business model that facilitates that. YouTube provides an opportunity for uploaders to make money and it's the same way of operating for everyone.
So you take pool down from streaming sites or stop uploading it, who are you hurting? Perhaps the fans who have to spend $20 a day on a ppv that is broadcasted while you are at work in order to see any new content? It certainly won't be YouTube that's harmed.
If we want players to be paid, there needs to be a business model that facilitates that. YouTube provides an opportunity for uploaders to make money and it's the same way of operating for everyone.
Yes, billiard videos on YouTube receive over 100 million views a year, especially the videos that or "full length".
They are competing for the prize money plain and simple. If they want a chance at the prize money they agree to the terms - streams likeness whatever. Don't want to agree fine. Don't play in this one. Pretty simple
We actually have been gold members several times. We also support AZ in many other ways through our live streams and give credit. We also have links back to AZ Billiards from the 10 sites that are part of our network of Videos, On-Demand, and Live streams.
So you've abandoned AZB and are trying to entice current members over to your site,
It's very inexpensive to rejoin.
I knew that this is the direction this thread would take.
Now i'm still waiting on the OP and her sidekick to list exactly how plans on paying these player for being on streams and how the whole formula works.
First off, you're holding Youtube accountable for something the didn't do or have nothing to do with, they are a platform "post what you want here so many can see it", the people posting the videos or doing the stream are the ones you should be targeting IMO since they are the ones at the front of the line.
Now I could be wrong as it is not my field but there is almost no way your plan can work without hurting the very thing you are trying to protect. There is no (real, imo) governing body for pool to enforce this which you speak of like there is in music and movies and sports, so who's going to manage this and monitor it and set the rules?
You said that you paid Rodney and other X dollars for their image, was that a buyout fee, how much did you make from using their image and do they get a part of that also.
Streamer stream to make money and support something that they like at the same time but it's supply and demand, it sounds to me that your plan will eliminate these guys since (again, I don't know your formula) they most likely will not be able to pay these guys for their image cause there is not enough money being made on that end.
Take the Gotham event just prior to the US Open where there was something like 15 pros in attendance, if we go by your example that's $500 x 15 off or let's say 10 cause not all will make it to the tv table. As others have mentioned it feels like your plan involves you being at the top of it, i'm just not clear on how the payment system works, are the player being paid up front do they get a percentage, dot Pat now earn a bad name for all of his matches that continue to generate money and no royalties paid out.
Please list your vision from having a tourney to a person posting the video on youtube (since if im not mistake you're not against as long as the players are getting paid) all the details in the middle and then there after. Dumb it down for me please.
Now i'm still waiting on the OP and her sidekick to list exactly how plans on paying these player for being on streams and how the whole formula works.
First off, you're holding Youtube accountable for something the didn't do or have nothing to do with, they are a platform "post what you want here so many can see it", the people posting the videos or doing the stream are the ones you should be targeting IMO since they are the ones at the front of the line.
Now I could be wrong as it is not my field but there is almost no way your plan can work without hurting the very thing you are trying to protect. There is no (real, imo) governing body for pool to enforce this which you speak of like there is in music and movies and sports, so who's going to manage this and monitor it and set the rules?
You said that you paid Rodney and other X dollars for their image, was that a buyout fee, how much did you make from using their image and do they get a part of that also.
Streamer stream to make money and support something that they like at the same time but it's supply and demand, it sounds to me that your plan will eliminate these guys since (again, I don't know your formula) they most likely will not be able to pay these guys for their image cause there is not enough money being made on that end.
Take the Gotham event just prior to the US Open where there was something like 15 pros in attendance, if we go by your example that's $500 x 15 off or let's say 10 cause not all will make it to the tv table. As others have mentioned it feels like your plan involves you being at the top of it, i'm just not clear on how the payment system works, are the player being paid up front do they get a percentage, dot Pat now earn a bad name for all of his matches that continue to generate money and no royalties paid out.
Please list your vision from having a tourney to a person posting the video on youtube (since if im not mistake you're not against as long as the players are getting paid) all the details in the middle and then there after. Dumb it down for me please.
youtube pool is history.
When newspapers started creating web sites, they tried to charge for access to the archives, either subscription or by the article.
Not a big revenue creator.
Money, if any, is in live matches.
Since much posting on this site complains of the lack of live streams, and the price of live streams available, it is really tough to envision old matches generating big payoffs for players.
Here is a link to 9 ball pool youtube videos sorted according to the number of views.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9+ball+pool&search_sort=video_view_count
The most watched?
Efren - posted by billiardclub.net
The second choice - nearly 50% fewer views.
When newspapers started creating web sites, they tried to charge for access to the archives, either subscription or by the article.
Not a big revenue creator.
Money, if any, is in live matches.
Since much posting on this site complains of the lack of live streams, and the price of live streams available, it is really tough to envision old matches generating big payoffs for players.
Here is a link to 9 ball pool youtube videos sorted according to the number of views.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9+ball+pool&search_sort=video_view_count
The most watched?
Efren - posted by billiardclub.net
The second choice - nearly 50% fewer views.