your opinion john schmidt mechanics
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oke:DGilb147...The distance you take your tip past the CB doesn't matter. The tip's only on the CB for 1/1000th of a second. A pendulum stroke works for all speed shots...including the break. I would only discourage it (elbow drop) if it's before contact. Otherwise, it doesn't affect accuracy. Elbow drop does make the timing of your stroke more difficult...and it doesn't offer any more speed or accuracy to the shot. Hope that answers your questions. 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Yes it would limit the length of "follow through".
Remember: The length of follow through has no bearing on the shot.
Understanding that the Pendulum Stroke works for all shots.
An elbow drop is a choice! Many do and many don't.
randyg
I'd like to see someone hit a break shot extremely hard with practically no follow through - say, maybe just a couple of inches. That would be a sight to see, indeed. Or how about just a fairly hard break shot, or maybe even a medium hard break shot, or even a medium break shot?
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It could be done but it would probably invovle broken bones. What's the point, anyway?
My opinion, If it works, don't fix it.
It could be done but it would probably invovle broken bones. What's the point, anyway?
My opinion, If it works, don't fix it.
Just trying to figure out how the length of the follow through has no bearing on the shot. Maybe there's something I'm not understanding because as far as I can tell, it does have a bearing on the shot. If you want to apply power, I wouldn't recommend stopping your follow through at two inches --- unless you're shooting a masse shot straight into the table. Bam!
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Thanks Scott and Randyg
Pleased that you have verified what I felt was correct, I have been coaching my son
who has a slight drop which I am trying to discourage.
I guess it can be "different strokes for different folks" excuse the pun.
A good example of that would be Landon Shuffett extreme elbow drop on every shot
still beat Earl Stricland 15 - 4 on a 10 foot table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYQjoHjwL4
best regards
Pleased that you have verified what I felt was correct, I have been coaching my son
who has a slight drop which I am trying to discourage.
I guess it can be "different strokes for different folks" excuse the pun.
A good example of that would be Landon Shuffett extreme elbow drop on every shot
still beat Earl Stricland 15 - 4 on a 10 foot table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYQjoHjwL4
best regards
Stopping your follow through. Now that's a different subject.
You either try to stop your cue or it will stop naturally.
In Pool School we actually teach the "less than 2 inch" follow through. Students are able to still draw their rock 7-8 diamonds.
Stopping or slowing down our cue before contact is dangerous. When we strike the cue ball, the cue stick damn near stops anyway at contact. All that is left is to let the momentum phase out.
randyg
So would that mean that hitting oneself in the chest or slamming the arm closed would be a forced stopping of the follow through?
What's the angle of attack that you teach with a less than 2 inch follow through in order to draw the cue ball 7 or 8 diamonds? How far apart are the cue ball and object ball?
We're talking 9- Foot table, right?
How about breaking? Do you also advocate stopping the follow through by hitting one's chest on break shots as well?
Hi Fran
Happy New Year.
randyg
The Break Shot falls under our specialty shots. So the answer could be yes if it were straight pool or one pocket etc.
Now a higher speed Break might cause a little discomfort to the Chest but we teach how to get around that also. That's why the Break falls into a Specialty Shot.
We advocate an excellerating cue stick on all shots. Once the cue ball is struck just stay to what happens naturally.
Happy New Year.
randyg
The Break Shot falls under our specialty shots. So the answer could be yes if it were straight pool or one pocket etc.
Now a higher speed Break might cause a little discomfort to the Chest but we teach how to get around that also. That's why the Break falls into a Specialty Shot.
We advocate an excellerating cue stick on all shots. Once the cue ball is struck just stay to what happens naturally.
That's more like a 6 inch backstroke. The table is tiny. I also think if I put my head on the head spot, that break wouldn't even give me a headache --- not that I'm interested in doing anything like that.
Really? Really??? The size table has NOTHING to do with it. Six inch backstroke, so what? What do you want him to do, pull the cue back out of his hand? Strange how you equate very little body movement with a soft break. All you have to do is look at the balls and you can very easily see it wasn't a soft break. Guess you only see what you want to see there, instead of what is actually happening.
Watching Schmidt, or for that matter,almost 80% of the pros play is enough to
give almost any instructor the fits!
Instructors teach rigid play-
1 preshot routine
2 proper setup
3 proper execution
4 evaluate
This format is the best way to obtain results.Results lead to success.That is why people pay for instruction.
You can't teach the "way" many pros play-the pros have hit millions of balls and found
a way that works for them. Not something one can teach.
Many pros could probably "learn" something from good instruction.
give almost any instructor the fits!
Instructors teach rigid play-
1 preshot routine
2 proper setup
3 proper execution
4 evaluate
This format is the best way to obtain results.Results lead to success.That is why people pay for instruction.
You can't teach the "way" many pros play-the pros have hit millions of balls and found
a way that works for them. Not something one can teach.
Many pros could probably "learn" something from good instruction.
Well, I'm an instructor and I study the pros. I learn a lot by studying them. I often find things that many of them have in common that don't always fit the rigid mold that some teachers teach.
There are also certain things that are elements of style for a particular pro, but that doesn't mean you should dismiss those aspects of their style. I study them, and when I work with a player who shows similar traits, I can help them.
Over the years I have accumulated somewhat of a library of playing styles in my head from studying the pros, and no two are the same, but you will find that as with personalities, there are common playing traits that certain people have.
Actually, I think it's opposite of what you wrote. I think it would do some instructors good to pay more attention to the pros; and it wouldn't hurt them to actually get on the table and put in some hours of experimentation, and maybe even start doing some independent thinking for a change.
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When you don't know what you don't know, then I guess you make comments like that. Any instructor would serve themselves and their students much better to actually learn what actually happens on a pool table, and why it happens, than just guess at what they think others are doing. If one doesn't even know the actual physics, then they can't know what actually is happening no matter how much they watch someone else. The human eye cannot percieve what actually happens. That's why so few actually hit where they think they are. You can't always tell just by watching someone do something, you have to know what does what, then you can make a proper determination by viewing the results.
Strategy you watch the pros. There you can learn how to play patterns and safes and when. Stroking, you never watch the pros. They learned to stroke over many thousands of hours of play, and have made their idiosyncracies work for them and be repeatable over those many hours. As a student, you want to learn the fastest way to achieve repeatability and consistency. Not be told to do something that will take you twice as long to actually learn how to do it, if you ever can.