The APA 9 ball team CHAMPIONS disqualified
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I have been there every year since 04 and I have seen plenty of teams play short handed because players couldn't make it. Can't say I have seen many out right cheat and play a sub, and then justify it. Amazing, really freaking amazing.
So I've just finished reading this whole thread, some of the Cheater's comments I had to read twice...
Relax guys, we could possibly be dealing with the stupidest person on the face of the earth
"not his fault, he was born an asshole and just grew bigger"
Relax guys, we could possibly be dealing with the stupidest person on the face of the earth
"not his fault, he was born an asshole and just grew bigger"
I was on a team that had to play 4, wish I'd have known we could have just had someone sit in, it would have been convenient
I betcha he is the guy with the blue and white stripes, guy looks like a cheater
I can understand the life ban in APA..If I were to cave an let any of them play again..they'd have to play as sevens in eight ball an nines in nine ball ; an they'd
be locked there..In the other leagues..I'd they should play at the advance level as
well..
I read the whole thread, people like the defendant here make me want to go start the car and take hits off the exhaust pipe.
In the APA when you have handicap issues, instead of playing 5 players to a total handicap of 23, the rules allow you to play (someone, please correct me if I'm wrong) 4 players to a total of 19, or 3 to 17. Of course, if you're playing a team that can field 5 players to your 4 or 3, you're starting the match 20 or 40 points in the hole, tough for any team to overcome.
While I find the Cheater's actions highly questionable and just plain stupid, I'm not totally without sympathy for his dumb ass. In past years there have been ideas submitted to the APA for rules that would allow adding a player of a similar or lower S/L to the roster in case you had a player that couldn't make it, also a rule that would allow you expand the roster to 10 players for the NTC. So you could pick up 2 non qualifying players from your area or division to round out your roster for the NTC. As we can see, there are no such rules in place, so they cheated and basically stole about $ 10,000 or $15,000.
(nice work if you can get it)
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So, you admit you cheated. You got 15k for it. You were banned for two years (and I'm sure the ban-lift hinges on returning the money), have no intention of making things right and you expect to avoid criticism too? Welcome to the court of public opinion (aka, "azb").
Banks
Banned
"this is my team...HE NEVER SHOWED A FAKE ID... not 1 team carded him...he is a apa 4 and played in place of a apa 4 the first 2 days till our 5th player got there... we had 3 7s and couldnt shoot 5 players to make 23 till the late 2nd day of play... we won that shit legit, if they allowed a roster change we wouldnt of had to cheat... and its not like we played a 7 as a 4...he is a 4 as a 4..and still a 4 now altho we got thrown out for 2 years and they "asked" for the $ back...you think were gonna repay 15k??"
I hope the APA hits you all with legal action.
If you cheated, it wasn't legit.
:mutters something about never having been accused of being too smart:
Oh, and if this is in fact your team.. that's some pretty damning evidence you just gave up to support the fact that you fraudulently won.
I hope the APA hits you all with legal action.
If you cheated, it wasn't legit.
:mutters something about never having been accused of being too smart:
Oh, and if this is in fact your team.. that's some pretty damning evidence you just gave up to support the fact that you fraudulently won.
I've never been to nationals (yet!) so I don't know if there are specials rules addressing this, but in regular league play, the answer is "yes, you can overcome it".
It won't be easy, and you probably won't do it, but if you play four players within the skill level constraints, and everyone does really well, you can overcome the loss of the match that you had to forfeit.
Our team only had four players available for a tri cup state qualifier a couple years ago, and we made it thru our first round match, but fell a few too short in the second round. Of course, at Nationals, the level of play should be much higher, so accomplishing short handed will be even more difficult. But not impossible.
I dont get it. Cheat to win what, 15k? Split that for 9 people, not the normal 8 person split, and it amounts to $1,666.66. Thats like 4hrs at a 1/2 table there in Vegas and you don't have to play through the whole tournament. What some people do for a little amount of money.......
Our hero also collected an additional $2450 for finishing tied for third in the Nine Ball Singles in April. Sure makes you wonder doesn't it. Sure hope he doesn't claim his winnings to the IRS on his 2012 tax return. He'll find out what cheating really costs!
Lyn
So what you seem to be saying is that everyone cheats so its ok for you guys to cheat as well?
Congrats on your singles 3rd place finish. It sounds like all that sandbagging you did paid off. The APA should be proud to let you back in after a few years sabbatical.
Look at that great trophy you won too. Im sure your proud of all your accomplishments!
That's the cheater? Looks like he may have eaten the missing team member on the flight out to Vegas. :grin:
JT - I get your point, that you just swapped one 4 for another, so what's the big deal...
But they have that no-switching rule for a reason. It'd be easy to sneak a strong player in there and have him lay down a little while still winning the match. Not saying this is what you did, just that the rule is necessary to prevent this.
And even if your sub is 100% a legit 4... not all 4's are created equal. Maybe your usual 4 would have cracked under pressure, dogged his brains out, missed some crucial shot, whatever. Maybe the new 4 is basically a 5 except for one unlucky loss. You get the idea.
The results of the win aren't legit unless the team that made it there is the team that plays. It would suck to get DQ'd over "airport trouble" (2 days? WTF delays a flight by 2 days?) but you shoulda just accepted it, tried to enjoy your time there, hung out, made friends, treated it like a vacation. Then you can go home with your pride intact.
But they have that no-switching rule for a reason. It'd be easy to sneak a strong player in there and have him lay down a little while still winning the match. Not saying this is what you did, just that the rule is necessary to prevent this.
And even if your sub is 100% a legit 4... not all 4's are created equal. Maybe your usual 4 would have cracked under pressure, dogged his brains out, missed some crucial shot, whatever. Maybe the new 4 is basically a 5 except for one unlucky loss. You get the idea.
The results of the win aren't legit unless the team that made it there is the team that plays. It would suck to get DQ'd over "airport trouble" (2 days? WTF delays a flight by 2 days?) but you shoulda just accepted it, tried to enjoy your time there, hung out, made friends, treated it like a vacation. Then you can go home with your pride intact.
The only way to get that money back will be to put them all in a bus every few weeks and take them to the blood donor place 7x 15.00 =
105.00 divided into 15,000.00 is 14,260 trips.