I have this at a special holiday price too

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Have you found one? I have all kinds of nice cues that fit your description.

DJKeys said:

I have not put a Kamui on the Becue, but I played with Kamui black hard for years. In my personal experience, a given tip has performed the same for me on wood, CF and Kielwood shafts.

-dj

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Thanks, I have a Kamui soft on a cue and like it and just decided to go that direction. So . . . was on the fence about the colors and kept coming back to the NBN all black, just in case got the weight kit and it was discounted a little, Prime II and I'll have a black leather wrap - never done that before but I've gone back and forth over trying that and decided to pull the trigger (also have a little bit of an issue gripping too far back and that will be a reminder, I guess). I'm very interested to get acquainted with it if it gets here before Xmas and I think it has a chance, otherwise between Xmas and New Year's I have some family time/time as well - good time to hang out at my table. Merry Christmas to me, haha.

jtompilot said:

On Seybert’s web site they have Vanadium 572, 57.2mm(4 1/4”) 169 grams and Vanadium English 524, 52.4mm(4 1/8”) 169 grams. How can two advanced phenolic balls of different sizes weigh the same? Reminds me of the small ball set at Shooters. Are English balls used on snooker tables?

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I suspect it's a typo. 52.4mm is about 2 1/16 inches, so that's a typo for sure. Snooker balls are specified as 52.5mm. English eight ball is with smaller balls, usually, 2-inch for the object balls (reds and yellows) and often smaller for the cue ball.

I think the density of pure phenolic would give a pool ball much lighter than 169 grams, and the weight is achieved by adding other material. To achieve a snooker ball of the same weight (169 grams), the density would have to be increased by about 30% more.

The volume of a pool ball is a little under 100cc (98 for 57.2mm), so 169 grams gives a density of 1.725 grams/cc or 1.725 times water. That is within the range of the density of ivory. I suspect that's what they shot for, or maybe one step removed if clay balls were made to match ivory and then phenolics were made to match clay.

jasonlaus said:

There are all kinds of people on here who go to cuemakers shops regularly and can 100% say if they're using ivory or not

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Fair enough. But do you want to be the guy who tells a brand new member who, based on their post, doesn't seem to care who makes the cue as long as it's got ivory that a cue maker you personally know is still using ivory? I wouldn't. I'd leave that between the new guy and the cue maker. And that's why I answered the way I did.