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loggerhead12 · Saturday at 11:25 PM

And Shane beats Alcaide 10-8 with just his C+ game.

Jaden · Saturday at 11:25 PM

jasonlaus said:
Like legit, there's only Fedor

What do you mean there's only fedor? Shane has 3 also and JUST won it this year.... Who's to say he won't win it in 27 and 28?

straightline · Saturday at 11:23 PM

vintagecollectibles831 said:
Correct.

Actually there's some Boolean algebra there which excludes the 7 as a remaining ball. English grammar too for that matter.

loggerhead12 · Saturday at 11:11 PM

Pecelj comes back from a 9-1 deficit to beat Januarta 10-9.

King T · Saturday at 11:07 PM

td873 said:
"Last 2" is one of the weakest spots in 9-ball. It means you win if you make one of the "last 2" balls on the table - regardless of what those 2 balls are (obviously one will be the 9). Say that the 6-7-9 are on the table. If make a 6-7 combo - there would still be 2 balls left on the table, so you didn't make one of the "last 2" - you made one of the last 3. The game continues. At this point, the "last 2" on the table would be the 7 and the 9. So if you make one of those, you win. But the 7 is wild, so the spots converge and you win making the 7 under either spot. In any case, making the 6 is not a win under this fact pattern.

7 and the last 2 is an interesting spot to me. I think you could game this as the spotter by putting the 8 on the wing and hoping it to goes in on the break some times. If the 7-8 are going to be racked at the front, they will almost always be left on the table. The wild 7 makes the weight just a little more "valuable." You could use this to try to up the bet and offer 7 and the last 3. Matching up can be fun.

-td

Well the "Last 2" is not one of the weakest spots in 9-ball. It is in fact one of the best spots depending on the players run-out ability and understanding of safety play. The "Last 2" is in play every game the entire game, and pressure to get all the way out never ends until the final
ball is made.

ShootingArts · Saturday at 11:07 PM

vintagecollectibles831 said:
Way off topic, but I once loaned this kid my BMX bike, that was only a few months old, back in the mid 90's. I was around 15 at the time, and very gullible. My mother had just paid like $500 for the bike, which was a GT, and a very nice BMX bike. It was like brand new. Anyways, somehow it got a flat tire, and this kid offered to put a new tire tube in, if I loaned him the bike for a few days. Long story short, I was never able to get the bike back.

Me and my mother went to the Police, to tell them about it, and they were just like, well since you gave him the bike (even if it was just a loaner), there is nothing we can do about it. So, according to the police, since I handed over the bike, it no longer belonged to me, lol.

Yeah, I never trusted anyone ever again after that. Really loved that bike too, but was just too trusting.

Don't feel too bad. I had a one ton truck. Put it in front of a friend's house on the highway to sell. Somebody he knew slightly wanted to test drive it. The test drive was closer to ten miles, he went by some truck scales. Left it and the keys there. Since he left keys and all they told me I couldn't charge him with theft!

Cost me several hundred dollars to get my truck back plus I came within a hair of going to jail! The scales were on a two lane back road but were basically scamming and taking in twenty thousand a day or more in fines. The scales were considerably overstaffed since they were pissing off everyone in sight. Local truckers made national news with a protest at those scales. Anyway, I came very close to punching out the Lt running them, tapping on his desk with a fist with every word I said. Quietly called him a son of a bitch so that was four taps right there!

Hu

ShootingArts · Saturday at 10:56 PM

sixpack said:
I play kicks off the point whenever I need to and I’ve made a few at critical times. I developed an aiming system for them but each one is different so you need to shoot a few to calibrate on a table before you start.

Most of my gambling was done in a fairly small loop, less than a hundred miles from home, so I tended to know how the tables played. It might be a strange table but it was the same brand and in the same room conditions so it upped the odds of making a kick or bank off of a point. It wasn't a higher percentage shot for me unless I had been playing that table a long time but sometimes the rest of the table layout made a fifty-fifty shot or one in three shot worth playing.

There was the effect on the other player too. I did my cyphering while I was moving and shot all shots like they were a hanger. "Never let them see you sweat" was a solid belief of mine. Once I had someone committed to playing, I often put all the heat on them I could!

Hu

vintagecollectibles831 · Saturday at 10:48 PM

berber said:
Hello friends;

I have known the Ohio crew since 2005. They would come to Detroit and take on local champs every week. I was still in college at the time and didn’t have much cash to gamble with. I still frequented the pool room “Hall of Fame” at the time; house pro being Ronnie Wiseman. Many pros would come and play in the back room and I’d be on the sidelines sweating all the action. Late Jerry Howard, Cornbread, T-Rex, Pagulayan, Miami, and many more come to mind. The back room was non stop action. I’m talking 10s if not 100s of thousands. Freezer and Cardone came one time and lost over 100K.

Moving forward; I moved to FL. Befriended Crosby, Deuel, Mills, and many more.

One day I pop in to my preferred pool room and I run into Scooter. Banging balls on a Diamond. I had to re-introduce meself, but I think he knew who I was; just couldn’t remember the name.

We shoot a cheap set for 100. I win. He doubles. As one does. I agree. I lose. I extend my hand since I’m out of time at that point. I pay him on the spot. We play again the next day and I win back to back. He pays pronto and I take care of his bill.

He asks me if he can shoot with my Revo cue which me wife got for me when they first came out for our anniversary. I told him sure. He asked me if he could practice with it for a few days because he was looking to get one himself. I said yes, no problem. This was January 9, 2025.

That was the last time I have seen this thief and the liar. He has texted me saying it’s on its way and this and that dozens of times with nothing.

I have also lent him money, and got it back in pieces from some woman I do not know.

I think I have given this old friend every chance to make it right. I feel very sad that it has come to this.

I would like my property back. I would also let all fellow players know that this man’s word is worthless. Sadly.

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Way off topic, but I once loaned this kid my BMX bike, that was only a few months old, back in the mid 90's. I was around 15 at the time, and very gullible. My mother had just paid like $500 for the bike, which was a GT, and a very nice BMX bike. It was like brand new. Anyways, somehow it got a flat tire, and this kid (who was around my age, and lived in my neighborhood, a few blocks away, and seemed really nice) offered to put a new tire tube in, if I loaned him the bike for a few days. I agreed, and watched him fix the tire, before taking off with it, lol. Long story short, I was never able to get the bike back.

Me and my mother went to the Police, to tell them about it, and they were just like, well since you gave him the bike (even if it was just a loaner), there is nothing we can do about it. So, according to the police, since I handed over the bike, it no longer belonged to me, lol.

Yeah, I never trusted anyone ever again after that. Really loved that bike too, but was just too trusting.

vintagecollectibles831 · Saturday at 10:36 PM

Waffles said:
Thank you guys for the information. I was just curious because it came from my grandma-in-law which I assume came from her husband. It also came with this insert that written by someone. I love pool but I’m not as knowledge as you guys are. (Just hitting my 30s and have been playing for 4 years now.) I just forgot all about this cue as it was in a case and put into the back of our closet before I started truly getting into it. The cue is straight and the lizard material as well as the cue looks brand new in an older case. Sorry about the misinterpretation on the Adam cue.

That is a really beautiful Adam cue, but I think realistically, not worth more then maybe $150.

Slapdaddy · Saturday at 10:35 PM

For Sale: Classic Schon STL-1 Playing Rig with Carbon Fiber Quick-Release Extension

Price: **$799.99 USD**

Overview: Skip the back order and waitlists. Up for sale is a premium tournament playing rig featuring a classic Schon STL-1 custom pool cue paired with a brand-new 8-inch quick-release carbon fiber extension. Delivers incredible playability, maximum reach, and that legendary, crisp Schon hit.

1. Premium Schon STL-1 Butt

Weight: 14.41 oz
Wood: Beautifully figured, natural-stained Birdseye Maple forearm and sleeve with traditional Bushka-style index rings.
Joint: Rock-solid, piloted 5/16x14 joint.
Wrap: Flawless, tightly pressed black Irish linen wrap with white specks.
Condition: Pre-owned showing honest, normal wear from careful play. Clean condition with zero structural issues.

2. Original Schon Maple Shaft

Weight: 4.57 oz
Alignment: Perfectly matched and aligned to the butt collar.
Tip: New Whitten Medium tip—professionally shaped, crowned, and ready to hold chalk.

3. 8-Inch Carbon Fiber Extension & Adapter

Weight: 3.06 oz
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Function: Clicks into place instantly with zero rattle. Provides effortless reach without ruining your balance.

Straightness & Condition:

100% Verified: Both the cue butt, original maple shaft, and custom extension roll dead straight and flat—both independently and completely assembled.
Wear: Pre-owned setup showing expected, light signs of handling typical with a clean player cue. No deep dings or structural defects.

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GideonF · Saturday at 10:32 PM

jasonlaus said:
Filler kills all of them, not sure what that has to do with being Chinese. You can get a bet down anytime. As a matter of fact, if you wanna play races to 120 you can get it all. PUNK

What a strange post.

The post I was responding to was a suggestion that the Heyball (Chinese 8b) players are lucky that Shane doesn’t play. I said Shane has no chance against the top Chinese players at that game. The Chinese are best players in the world at that game - it’s their game and they play it all the time.

If you think Josh Filler can just go beat the best heyball players in the world, you’re delusional. Indeed, given how much money is on offer in the big Heyball tournaments, if Filler agreed with you he’d be over there in an instant.

vintagecollectibles831 · Saturday at 10:27 PM

jayman said:
How would that work?
We could start off by calling them Forman cues. Then we could ask people if thier cue is a Forman or a Helmstetter. And just to push the point a touch we could ask the guy's with those Rare 1960's Adams cues that were made when they were still made them in America, if it's a 'John' Adams? If so, we could tell them it may be even older.

Hi, have you ever seen a Helmstetter that was made by Helmstetter, in the US? I have not.

Slapdaddy · Saturday at 10:25 PM

For Sale: Highly Collectible Original Dan Whitten 2x4 Black Leather Custom Hard Case

Price: $400 USD + Actual Shipping

The Pedigree: Pure pool heritage. This isn't just a case—it’s an investment piece with legendary status. An original era-specific case handmade by founder Dan Whitten. Highly prized by enthusiasts for its rugged build quality.

The Build: Hand-selected premium black leather backed by Whitten’s legendary, heavy-duty interior protective tube system. Built like an absolute tank.

Specs & Fit: Formatted for 2 Butts and 4 Shafts. Will accommodate up to 31” extended shafts simply by removing the interior foam spacer blocks.

Features: Equipped with the original heavy-duty matching black leather shoulder strap and flawless, smooth-gliding zippers.

Condition: Player's condition. The leather shows honest wear, surface scuffs, and a distinct vintage patina from tournament travel. While it is not a mint or closet queen specimen, it is far from beat up. Structurally, it is 100% solid, fully functional, and remains an absolute fortress for your cues.
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Slapdaddy · Saturday at 10:10 PM

MINT / TEST HIT ONLY: Mezz Ignite 12.6mm Carbon Fiber Shaft with native United Joint (UJ). Skip the global backlog waitlist entirely!

Price: $599.99 USD + Actual Shipping

Condition: Mint / Test-hit only. Flawless factory-smooth finish with zero dings or scratches.

Weight: 4.3 oz

Specs: 12.6mm tip diameter, Ignite Constant Pro Taper, factory Zan Plus2 Medium tip, IG Tip Plate & Ferrule.

Joint: Piloted Mezz United Joint. Fits and sits flush on standard Schon and piloted Joss cues (5/16x14 pin).

Fit Note: Fits very snug/tight on Schon/Joss pins at first as the internal insert adapts. This is standard for this cross-brand setup. No issues sliding on a Schon STL-1 and Schon SL-14.

Hit: Crisp, solid wood-like feel. Zero hollow carbon ring or vibration due to internal silencer foam core.
— Rolls dead straight alone or together on a butt.
— Comes in its new original factory packaging.
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Chopdoc · Saturday at 10:04 PM

JasonATX said:
Kinda wild, isn't? I can find dozens of Budweiser, Bud Light and Miller Genuine Draft Cues, but those don't pique my interest.

I won one of the Rich PBR cues on eBay for ~$40 but the seller cancelled and relisted saying it was damaged. My response was that I only wanted the butt sleeve anyway, but no response. eBay, predictably, did fuck all about it of course. So, takeemdown on eBay was that seller. Funniest thing is I had bought 3 or 4 cues from them prior.

For all of that, they got maybe $10 more.

Anyway,, if anyone has a decent shape Miller Lite cue, I'm in the market for a reasonably fair price. Hell, I'd take a good condition Miller Lite butt sleeve.

What are you trying to do?

You just want a butt sleeve?

Curious...

JasonATX · Saturday at 9:51 PM

I would like to find a Miller Lite cue to make a sleeper out of. Doesn't need a shaft necessarily. I would prefer the nicer end of the marketing spectrum, but I would be OK with one that wasn't beat to hell.

Past that, I am sort of into beer branded cues, but Miller Lite would be my focus. A Rich PBR cue would be pretty cool.

Thanks for reading!

JasonATX · Saturday at 9:47 PM

Chopdoc said:
For the Adam? Probably not a lot. You might find one for $50 to $100. Often pushing $150 though. If it's an auction and two people want it bad it would probably top out at $200.

The problem isn't the price. The problem is finding one. Then of course finding one in good condition.

There are others like McDermott, Huebler, etc that had beer brand cues.

I very much want the McDermott Budweiser cue and case. I just haven't been willing to pay what they have gone for. I do regret passing on one that was brand new with tags. They don't go for anything near what the Snap-On cue and case go for. But when you start pushing $300 for a decal cue I get aggravated. I should have bought one a long time ago. Who would think such a thing would be a good investment?

Kinda wild, isn't? I can find dozens of Budweiser, Bud Light and Miller Genuine Draft Cues, but those don't pique my interest.

I won one of the Rich PBR cues on eBay for ~$40 but the seller cancelled and relisted saying it was damaged. My response was that I only wanted the butt sleeve anyway, but no response. eBay, predictably, did fuck all about it of course. Funniest thing is I had bought 3 or 4 cues from that seller prior.

For all of that, they got maybe $10 more.

Anyway,, if anyone has a decent shape Miller Lite cue, I'm in the market for a reasonably fair price. Hell, I'd take a good condition Miller Lite butt sleeve.

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