Hammie, that clears it up for me. So the main one is the flatter setup, three fingers off the second diamond, a touch of low right, and you are cutting the wing ball into the bottom right corner. The other one is the tight one, right up against the rail with only your middle finger down, high right, and the cue ball comes around the bottom of the rack to the middle of the table.

I can picture both of them now. The part I keep coming back to is the cue ball finishing in the middle on that second one. When you play it, are you mostly watching where the cue ball ends up, or are you trusting the high right to do that work and just focusing on the wing ball?

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pooldawg8 said:

I`ve dealt with both of these guys, it doesn`t get much better than these 2 jay birds.
Straight up good people

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Thank you Sir.

My main 2nd ball is cue ball about 3 fingers off the second diamond rail with a slight low right English hitting the second ball full basically trying to cut the wing ball in the bottom right corner. My other 2nd ball break is cue ball over enough from the second diamond to have only my middle finger bridge hand on the table. High right English hitting the second ball full trying to make the wing ball in the bottom right and have the cue ball come around the bottom of the rack to end up in middle of the table.

Thanks maha, that actually simplifies it for me. I was adding a touch above centre on those kicks because I thought it would help the cue ball run cleaner, but from what you are saying the height is not the lever at all — it is dead centre and getting the speed right.

On a longer one-rail kick where the cue ball has a long way to travel, do you still just stay dead centre and change nothing but the speed?

Thanks for this, Hammie. Having a system like that is exactly what I have been missing. I basically have the one break, and when it goes dry I just start messing with speed and swinging harder, which never ends well.

Having a second 2nd ball break ready to go before you touch the head ball break makes a lot of sense. What is the difference between your two 2nd ball breaks — is it where you put the cue ball, or where you are hitting the second ball?

And you are right about the pressure part. When the break stops giving you anything, every other part of the game suddenly feels heavier.

Xdecemberguy said:

HAHA!! Did Josh hit the ball...win that game?? HAHAHA!! I bet you would defend yourself in a murder trial also...clearly there were many more reasonable and easy ways to get out of that shot..your a joke. Clearly that wasn't the right shot but hey your keep being you..like my father said..the world needs ditch diggers too..

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Do you know why he shot it? I don't. Speaking of flat oits, a pool engagement between two players transcends the table and encompasses at least 4 dimensions. Besides the visible layouts, you have the battle of wills and treachery as well and, over time at that. I'm more concerned with the effect on the outcome than - oh, he missed a tough kick and shoulda shot a safer option. Further into the match Capito shot the 7 a half ball wide of that very same pocket. Coincidence? Only by definition.

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Rubik's Cube said:

Blimey!

Hearty congratulations, sir. That is an amazing price for an amazing set. I didn’t even see the listing. I guess most of us missed it.

Bravo!

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I have seen it, but with shipping and taxes to the EU it’s just too expensive to get something like that. Maybe that’s another reason for it having no offers? There are some other sets from Korea, Russia and Australia I am checking for some months now. But importing them always makes it not worth it to be honest

u12armresl said:

Oh, forgive me. A certified instructor knows far more than the consensus #1 player in the WORLD.

One of the 2 of them has played on the biggest stages in the world, under the most pressure you can be under. The other made a video after the fact.

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HAHA!! Did Josh hit the ball...win that game?? HAHAHA!! I bet you would defend yourself in a murder trial also...clearly there were many more reasonable and easy ways to get out of that shot..your a joke. Clearly that wasn't the right shot but hey your keep being you..like my father said..the world needs ditch diggers too..