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Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

Cue Alchemist
straightline said:
Catch up to the past? Sounds archaic. The Euros learned a better way and so far, continue to bring it.

Interestingly, they didn't bother coming up through American ranks. That says a lot for the Murkin way. That almost says the experience will keep you a loser. (?)
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ralf souquet being a good example of that, but this is way after, My point being they already have the better fundamentals. Its not about experience will keep you down, they just got way of doing it, thats better right now!
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Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

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Cue Alchemist said:
great post frosty, This is the way they chose to do it, why it couldn't just Be left alone, until everyone else catches up, it was only going to benefit the European players, and few others, who already had the proper fundamentals in place. Would be interesting to see them go back to a slower cloth, see how that would change things!
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Catch up to the past? Sounds archaic. The Euros learned a better way and so far, continue to bring it.

Interestingly, they didn't bother coming up through American ranks. That says a lot for the Murkin way. That almost says the experience will keep you a loser. (?)
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Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

Cue Alchemist
Frosty said:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if the “powers that be” that run the pro game don’t like 9 ball as it is intended to be played, then perhaps they should select a different game to feature, instead of tinkering with the rules and equipment to make it something it is not, nor intended to be. If 9 ball is too easy, then go to 15 ball “61 rotation” instead, just leave the damn game alone.
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great post frosty, This is the way they chose to do it, why it couldn't just Be left alone, until everyone else catches up, it was only going to benefit the European players, and few others, who already had the proper fundamentals in place. Would be interesting to see them go back to a slower cloth, see how that would change things!
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Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

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Frosty said:
No one said anything about “buckets”. A standard Diamond is 4 1/2”, I agree that with new cloth and polished balls in tournament play, on the pro tour, this should be reduced to to 4 1/4”, or say 4 1/8” as the new cloth and polished balls mitigate that reduction a bit.

As others have mentioned, that kind of reduction on club tables for everyday play is kind of unrealistic. Where I play, all the tables have been left at 4 1/2” with the exception of 2 tables tightened to 4 1/8” for one pocket for a small group of us. Of that small group of players, only the owner and I are fond of rotation as well and play it on those 2 tables as well. I’m a “well seasoned” player, as is the owner. Playing rotation on those tables is challenging after the cloth has received several weeks of play. As noted in my previous post, it limits cheating the pocket, which limits positional options.

You say you could “GAF”, but inevitably, in every thread on this subject, you’re quick to point out your views on “maximum accuracy”. You don’t seem to get that “maximum accuracy” is required to divide the pocket into 3 segments and accurately hit those individual sections consistently to get the required position on the following ball. I can hit the center of the pocket every time, but in rotation, that limits positional play, and changes the game, that seems lost on you.
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4.5 doesn't do it for me. I learned on Murreys and snooker tables. The Murreys were about Diamond deep but you could hit all over the pocket without rattling anything. Last place I had access to had AMFs at probably 4.5 converging to somewhat less and not full ball depth. Those became normal and still freewheelable. The lost point is, an angle is an angle. Why just three portions? You could just move the center of aim to the approximate the area you need. (?) lol...
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How straight should a 2 piece cue be on those little straightness checkers?

mikemosconi
How straight is straight when it comes to wood cues- every single person has their own ideas on how to judge cue straightness and each individual seems to have their own straightness tolerances in their head.

Anyone who says “ either it is straight or it is not” is correct - technically.
But man, in the cue world over the years it is always a source of contention as to cue straightness measurement/ judgement methods vs. cue straightness acceptability/ tolerance levels.

Weigh the input that you get here and make your own final decision - I will say that with second hand cues- if I was not a bit tolerant on cue straightness judgement - I probably would never have owned one of the hundreds that have passed my hands.
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Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

Frosty
straightline said:
Any pool on buckets is boring, especially if pros are playing. There's also viewer anxiety generated by all the errors they make anyway.
I suppose in threads like this, you have experts who would be nowhere without tight pockets and generously defer to the needs of the many. (buckets) Me, I could GAF. I'm a student of pool and to me, maximum accuracy is fundamental.
Had to refresh that thought...
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No one said anything about “buckets”. A standard Diamond is 4 1/2”, I agree that with new cloth and polished balls in tournament play, on the pro tour, this should be reduced to to 4 1/4”, or say 4 1/8” as the new cloth and polished balls mitigate that reduction a bit.

As others have mentioned, that kind of reduction on club tables for everyday play is kind of unrealistic. Where I play, all the tables have been left at 4 1/2” with the exception of 2 tables tightened to 4 1/8” for one pocket for a small group of us. Of that small group of players, only the owner and I are fond of rotation as well and play it on those 2 tables as well. I’m a “well seasoned” player, as is the owner. Playing rotation on those tables is challenging after the cloth has received several weeks of play. As noted in my previous post, it limits cheating the pocket, which limits positional options.

You say you could “GAF”, but inevitably, in every thread on this subject, you’re quick to point out your views on “maximum accuracy”. You don’t seem to get that “maximum accuracy” is required to divide the pocket into 3 segments and accurately hit those individual sections consistently to get the required position on the following ball. I can hit the center of the pocket every time, but in rotation, that limits positional play, and changes the game, that seems lost on you.
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