Fedor Gorst - looking for action in Louisville, KY tomorrow. If you could - would you?

To each their own. I personally would for the experience. But for the people who are saying “you’d be a sucker to do so” are the same people who spend a 1,000 on a break cue and 30 on a piece of chalk. 🤷‍♂️
Do you have proof of that statement?

Tell us you're a sucker without telling us you're a sucker

Meucci Originals No Dice Gamblers - ID & Date

I now have 2 Meucci Originals No Dice Gamblers and I need some input on when they were made and where they fit in the Originals line of no-dice gambler history. As you can see from the images mine are the ones made before the Originals with dice above and below the playing cards and at the joint. Mine have the rectangles above and below the cards, and at the joint, as opposed to the other version of the Originals no-dice gambler that has the rectangles forming a chain pattern above and below the cards and at the joint.

My research indicates there were at least 3 gamblers made in the Originals line. My question is what were the production years of each of these Originals gamblers? Which came first? Which is the original, original no-dice gambler? And when did Meucci begin making the Originals gambler with dice?

I know the ones with dice came after the ones without dice but that’s about it. In other words what were the production years for these 3 Meucci Originals gambler’s, and if possible what are the model numbers?
  1. Originals no-dice gambler with rectangles pattern above & below the cards
  2. Originals no-dice gambler with chain pattern above & below the cards
  3. Originals gambler with dice above and below the cards
I can’t find anything on the internet that definitively answers these questions so any information you can provide is much appreciated!

The first 3 images are of one I bought several years ago and my second one is identical to it. Both are in spades. The 4th image is an example of an Originals no-dice gambler with the chain pattern above and below the cards and at the joint, as opposed to the rectangle pattern above and below the cards and at the joint.

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Look at the letter A if it's all filled in it's a remake.

Was pool better 50 years ago?

For me, and this pertains to every sport I watch, what I enjoy the most is watching the emergence of new talent. The unprecedented amount of new talent that is emerging today in pro pool today is leaps and bounds beyond what we saw back in the day, and it's because the whole world is playing pool now, which wasn't true fifty years ago.
This is also what keeps me interested at 81, and with luck for years to come. Just in the last year I've loved watching the emergence of Neuhausen and the rise of Atencio, who's fast becoming my favorite player. That doesn't take away anything from the great players of the past, like Buddy and Sigel and Nick, but what's made it better is the coming of one great international player after another. It's the same reason that baseball is vastly improved over the days when 99% of the players were American born. Bigger talent pools make for better talent.

And let's not forget the women. Other than Balukis, I doubt if any of the women from the 80's on back could compete with any one of dozens of the best women players today from all over the world. Players like Seo and Jasmin and Kristina are every bit as much fun to watch as the top men players, even if their game is at a lower level.

Looking forward to Derby City! Bring it on!

Gold Crown II

I believe that they were made for 2 years only 74 to 76. If the table is decent $1500 is a steal in terms of Northeast coast pricing anyhow - as in my present search for a table here in CT - I have guys asking $4,000 to $6,000 for good condition GC s 1 thru 4.
I think that the Northeast seems to have the highest prices for older GCs - just like everything else for sale here. The going rate for a GC 1-4 in very good condition - without new cushion install, but with new Simonis install and full table delivery and install - I am seeing $7,500 as standard. I have been in touch with several here on availability and pricing.

Was pool better 50 years ago?

Tournament play is infinitely better these days, with far more events, an international field, better equipment, a variety of games and widely available streaming.

OTOH I'm more partial to the days when there were dozens of pool rooms in nearly every big metro area, and in many of them you could almost always find action. Contrast that to today, with almost no action rooms, and the few thriving pool rooms feature nothing but those sorryassed Romper Room barbox tables.

Was pool better 50 years ago?

You having said that, I have very little interest in watching today's pool. When I watch it on YouTube I find myself fast forwarding just to see who wins. The idea I would be driving hundreds of miles to watch a tournament today, not a chance.
All good. You enjoy what you enjoy.

The biggest stars of fifty years ago were probably Mizerak, Sigel, Varner, Rempe and Hall. Were they more entertaining to watch than today's crop? Not to me. Were they more animated than today's crop? Not to me. It's a myth that the stars of fifty years ago were any less robotic than the stars of today. Today, despite the presence of a few superstars at the top, nobody can hold the top position for long. In 2022, FSR was player of the year. In 2023, it was Filler. In 2024, it was Gorst. In 2025, it was Yapp. Let's see if yet another player finds his way to the top in 2026. I can't wait to watch!

For me, and this pertains to every sport I watch, what I enjoy the most is watching the emergence of new talent. The unprecedented amount of new talent that is emerging today in pro pool today is leaps and bounds beyond what we saw back in the day, and it's because the whole world is playing pool now, which wasn't true fifty years ago.

Still, you must go where your tastes lead you and it is not for me to tell you what you should and should not enjoy. Thanks for your input.

Was pool better 50 years ago?

I would compare it to what is Basketball now than what it was from 40-50 years ago as far as analogy goes. Pool now is better because of availability/access to it, more tournaments, pay, training, rule change, equipment change, racking sytem/equipment. Skills, other than jump shots becoming more of a staple now to escape a safety, there isn't much that pool players that makes them skills-better than your old pool gods. so does it make the new guys really good and make the old gods look like amateurs? now this interesting podcast is one I defer to when asked that question, Login to view embedded media . discussion about it starts at 21:50 mark with both players giving their answers. now SVB was the top dog when this interview podcast happened.
I tend to disagree with that statement that I highlighted. I live in a town used to have about seven pool rooms between real pool rooms and bowling alleys. They were all great with championship equipment. Today we have one bowling alley and it doesn't even have a pool room room.

You read it on here all the time people complaining there's no place to play where they live. I wouldn't call this an improvement in the game when it's almost has no accessibility unless you play on a bar league.


Except among the small subculture and professional players and there's not that many of them that could make a dime, pool is almost nonexistent in the US anymore.

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