I finally played Ultimate Pool

I say that to any amateur wearing a pool jersey, nothing personal against your buddy. I was watching the match to see Chris, had no idea who the other guy was. And he did 2 stroke, miss the ball, and throw his hands up. I said nothing wrong. You can't be that sensitive.

That's YOUR opinion. Which is fine.

I had a feeling.
1st off Trent is not my buddy. Saying nothing wrong doesn't mean it should be said.

The last time & only time I played Trent in a tournament he lost pretty much the same as he did to Chris. That was playing bar box 8 ball so I'm sure that won't hold much weight with you.

Based upon your ghost videos I'll tell you something. Take your 486 & 120 Robustness & see if you can beat Trent in any game on any table straight up. Then you can go up the rung a bit more & a bit more and then a bit more yet. Then maybe just maybe you can come and bark at me.

The game of pool is very difficult for the majority of people & that includes bar box 8 ball & that is not opinion by any means.

Keep overestimating your knowledge and ability, underestimating others & see where that gets you.

You can by all means have the last word, I won't be reading anything more from you.

An OLD J&J cue

A buddy of mine had this in his case last night. He bought it at least 10 years ago, maybe 15, I don't remember.

Either way, he picked it up for about $150-200.new with 2 shafts and a case.

What a beautiful cue and it hits amazing. I had zero idea J&J had been around that long. In my world they're known for their cheap jump/break combos and I was amazed to see a cue like this from them. I enjoy looking at the new fancy stuff but an old school simple cue is where it's at for me and this checks all the boxes.

P.S. It's not for sale (I asked ;)), I'm just posting it for your viewing pleasure :)

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That is some really nice looking BEM in the forearm. Surprised to see nice figured BEM on a cheap cue. And, real points and inlays? I was just wondering today if J&J cues were garbage. or if the quality was ever any good.

Buddy Hall talks "Deflection"

If your friend says anything other than the Newsgroup rec.sport.billiard around the year 2000 for the origin of the term and method of Front Hand English, then he wasnt around when it originated. Several of us on this forum were around at that time. Fronthand English was deduced due to the emerging presence of lower squirt/deflection cue and our greater understanding of how squirt worked. I am crediting Ron Shepard in 2001in his paper "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Squirt But Were Too Afraid to Ask" for coining the term Front Hand English for lower squirt shafts.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/Misc/Shepard_squirt.pdf

The term Backhand English was popularized by Hal Houle on the internet starting around 1997, also on those newsgroups, but he always said that he learned the technique from Ralph Greenleaf. So it was around long before the internet. Another earlier internet term for it is the Aim & Pivot method, which was shared on those Newsgroups around 1993ish. I believe a diagram in a Michael Phelan book from over 100 years ago that Bob Jewett has shared is one of the earliest indication of using the backhand to align the english for deflection compensation.
I'll let you know the correct answer, haven't talked to him yet.

Just because you and the others hadn't heard of it, doesn't mean it wasn't around.

To be fair, he has mentioned Hal numerous times, just not relating to this and his mentions weren't necessarily crediting Hal, just that he mentioned some things.

You probably know the guy Im referring to or at least heard of him.

Most of what Hal talked about came from the Philippines/asia

Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

The reason that the runout has become so difficult is the break rule. For three full WNT seasons, nine on the spot with a narrow break box has ended the days of players being able to play any kind of shape for the first shot after the break. Yes, they can still make the one in the side with cut break, but that is rarely enough to string many racks.

The 4 inch pockets are not the main reason there are fewer runout chances, and players have become more conservative in their play. Despite their suggestion that 9ball is the better game, Matchroom has made 9ball more like 10ball by stifling some of the offense and robbing the game of, what I believe, is a more fan-friendly pace of play.

As I told you at Derby, I think the break should be from something similar to the snooker D with the one on the spot, and figure out what rack works best from there to encourage big breaks again.

I normally hate comparing sports, but just like a long drive in golf, a big, or good break, should be rewarded. How much is in the eyes of the beholder.

And you never hear the guy that is making the wing ball regularly complain....

The CARBON FIBER Shaft With the LEAST Cue Ball DEFLECTION

Can you talk about Wheat State's carbon types Rolled and Wound? Which one was used in Dr Dave's test? Does it matter?

From Wheat State's Facebook page:
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROLLED AND WOUND CARBON?
-Rolled and wound carbon are made using a different process. There's no "better". Most companies use rolled carbon. Mine are custom made for me to my exact specifications, taper, and flex level, which is a crucial aspect as most carbon shafts are too stiff.​
-ROLLED is dark gray in color like most and transfers a hair more energy than wound.​
-WOUND is dark, shiny black and can have some visual grain type patterns in the carbon. Wound transfers a hair less energy than rolled, but it is a hair more smooth in your hand.​
Wonder what percentage this guy's sales just went up due to Dr Dave's assessment. LOL!

The CARBON FIBER Shaft With the LEAST Cue Ball DEFLECTION

1 x Predator REVO Pool Shaft - 12.4 mm - 29 inches - White Vault Plate



I just bought the above to replace my Predator 314 that's about 31 years old. When I first switched to Predator from a standard wood shaft with a lot of deflection I loved it. My game almost immediately moved up a small notch. In recent years I felt like that 31 year off shaft deflected much more than when I first bought it and in a less consistant way. The same shot, with the same speed and same amount of English seemed to have a higher deflection variance. Don't ask me to explain it. It was just inconsistent and driving me crazy enough to splurge and ugrade my cue and switch to a Revo even though I had never played with one.
Did you put a fiber pad under the tip? The original 314 didn't have one. Adding one increased the deflection. Adding two makes it almost like there was no hole.

The CARBON FIBER Shaft With the LEAST Cue Ball DEFLECTION

Can you talk about Wheat State's carbon types Rolled and Wound? Which one was used in Dr Dave's test? Does it matter?

From Wheat State's Facebook page:
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROLLED AND WOUND CARBON?
-Rolled and wound carbon are made using a different process. There's no "better". Most companies use rolled carbon. Mine are custom made for me to my exact specifications, taper, and flex level, which is a crucial aspect as most carbon shafts are too stiff.
-ROLLED is dark gray in color like most and transfers a hair more energy than wound.
-WOUND is dark, shiny black and can have some visual grain type patterns in the carbon. Wound transfers a hair less energy than rolled, but it is a hair more smooth in your hand.​

So the Whyte Carbon is wound?

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