I lost $100, he didn't pay my time...

Clark_the_Shark

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So, to begin, it's customary in our pool hall that if you win say anything over $10-$20 you pay the other guy's time. Unless of course you have been playing for 5 hours to win the $20 bucks. Then it's understood that the amount of time would be too much, and so we would each pay our own.

So, Friday night I start playing a known regular at my hall, races to 5 for $20. We go back and forth for 2-3 races, and in the course of the next 4-5 hours, he beats me 6 races in a row, and ends up the winner of $100 from my pocket. Time ended up being $18.10 each.

We go to pay the time and he's like... "I'm not paying your time, you treated me like a Ni**er." I was like "Whoa, hold up here... I'm not allowed to get upset for loosing $100 to you? Which I was visibly upset during the race because I couldn't win, and I did/said a couple of things which I will describe below. But I've never seen anyone upset after winning $100 from me before.

So here are the couple of things I remember that I did (over the course of 5 hours). Mind you, I hadn't won a single race after the second one or so, so I was getting beat pretty badly.

Number 1... (and admittedly probably the worst) I tried jumping a ball and the CB jumped off the table. I picked up the ball and went to hand it to him, but before his hand got to the ball, I dropped it on the floor again. On purpose, but only because I've seen him do this to someone else before. It rolled around, but then I picked it back up off the floor and placed it back on the table near him and went back to my seat. Yes, I took my frustration out on him for beating me so bad. But I did re-pickup the ball and put it back on the table.

Number two... I had been sitting in my seat for a while, while he ran a rack or two, and when he finally missed... I said "Thank God!" and finished up the rack.

Number three... Last race, I'm down $80, he's on the hill to my 3 games and he rattles the 8 ball. He turns to me and bi**hes that "How many times am I gonna do that in that pocket?" Which was the final bi**h of a long string of them after he had missed balls earlier. I said "Tell it to someone who cares." And he said "Go f*ck yourself".

And that's about all I can remember that went on during the match. When we both were in the bathroom at the same time during the match, we talked cordially. I said, "This isn't a beating, is a massacre." He said, "Yeah, we both can't be in dead stroke at the same time." And we went about playing.

Now, maybe I wasn't the nicest guy, but I don't think it should really matter. If you're a jerk and I'm taking your money, you can be a jerk all night, so long as I'm winning. Now if I'm losing and you're being a jerk, that's a different story. I was so upset I couldn't sleep at all that night, like 3 hours tops, and the next two days I was seriously depressed. Not only because of losing near $120, but the down right "spit-in-my-face" I got at the counter.

What do you guys think?
 
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No doubt, a big winner will customarily offer to pay the table time, but it's by no means their obligation. It is a matter of etiquette. If you hold a door open for someone, odds are they will say thank you, as customary etiquette demands of them. On that rare occasion that they don't, though, you shouldn't be upset.

If I gamble at pool, I make sure that, even before the game starts, there is an understanding about who will pay the time. Typically, I'll suggest splitting time regardless of who wins, and if it turns out I'm the big winner, I'll pay all the table time, out of etiquette, not obligation.
 
I'm thinking if I was him I'd vow quietly to never play you again. Life's too short.



So, to begin, it's customary in our pool hall that if you win say anything over $10-$20 you pay the other guy's time. Unless of course you have been playing for 5 hours to win the $20 bucks. Then it's understood that the amount of time would be too much, and so we would each pay our own.

So, Friday night I start playing a known regular at my hall, a guy named Tom Comi, at about 6:00pm for races to 5 for $20. We go back and forth for 2-3 races, and in the course of the next 4-5 hours, he beats me 6 races in a row, and ends up the winner of $100 from my pocket. Time ended up being $18.10 each.

We go to pay the time and he's like... "I'm not paying your time, you treated me like a Ni**er." I was like "Whoa, hold up here... I'm not allowed to get upset for loosing $100 to you? Which I was visibly upset during the race because I couldn't win, and I did/said a couple of things which I will describe below. But I've never seen anyone upset after winning $100 from me before.

So here are the couple of things I remember that I did (over the course of 5 hours). Mind you, I hadn't won a single race after the second one or so, so I was getting beat pretty badly.

Number 1... (and admittedly probably the worst) I tried jumping a ball and the CB jumped off the table. I picked up the ball and went to hand it to him, but before his hand got to the ball, I dropped it on the floor again. On purpose, but only because I've seen him do this to someone else before. It rolled around, but then I picked it back up off the floor and placed it back on the table near him and went back to my seat. Yes, I took my frustration out on him for beating me so bad. But I did re-pickup the ball and put it back on the table.

Number two... I had been sitting in my seat for a while, while he ran a rack or two, and when he finally missed... I said "Thank God!" and finished up the rack.

Number three... Last race, I'm down $80, he's on the hill to my 3 games and he rattles the 8 ball. He turns to me and *****es that "How many times am I gonna do that in that pocket?" Which was the final ***** of a long string of them after he had missed balls earlier. I said "Tell it to someone who cares." And he said "Go f*ck yourself".

And that's about all I can remember that went on during the match. When we both were in the bathroom at the same time during the match, we talked cordially. I said, "This isn't a beating, is a massacre." He said, "Yeah, we both can't be in dead stroke at the same time." And we went about playing.

Now, maybe I wasn't the nicest guy, but I don't think it should really matter. If you're a jerk and I'm taking your money, you can be a jerk all night, so long as I'm winning. Now if I'm losing and you're being a jerk, that's a different story. I was so upset I couldn't sleep at all that night, like 3 hours tops, and the next two days I was seriously depressed. Not only because of losing near $120, but the down right "spit-in-my-face" I got at the counter.

What do you guys think?
 
Yeah, you were a jerk. Dropping the cue ball... very juvenile. Not his fault you couldn't make a ball that match. I might not have paid your time, either.
 
Generally the order of rule around here is you win you pay the time, but if there is contention during the match I have seen many people not pay others time. Looks to me, based on what I read, that you both acted like nits, just my opinion. And I do not think there is any situation where it is appropriate to use the N word, or any other racial slur, PERIOD END OF STORY.
 
I don't know whether to applaud you for putting yourself out there like this or what. What you describe though is, well... inexcusable behavior. Anyone with a history of this will be labeled as BAD ACTION and the only games you'll get will be from blood hounds .

The dropping of the cue ball stunt... Some opponents might not respond as reasonably as this one. His not paying was reasonable response IMO.

Nobody likes to lose and nobody likes to play a sore loser. Maybe on some level you posted this because you wanted to have your peers send you to bed with no dessert and no TV for a week. ;)

We have all had to learn some difficult lessons along the road, hopefully this one will help form a better you.

Good luck. Pool needs as many good sports as possible! :thumbup:
 
Generally the order of rule around here is you win you pay the time, but if there is contention during the match I have seen many people not pay others time. Looks to me, based on what I read, that you both acted like nits, just my opinion. And I do not think there is any situation where it is appropriate to use the N word, or any other racial slur, PERIOD END OF STORY.

I agree with both of your points. I just feel I got the raw end of that deal. "The Shaft" as it were.



KoolKat9Lives... yeah, maybe you guys are right, but I wanted to be as honest as possible and tell you everything I knew. That way no one could say I was hiding something. Maybe I am a sore loser, but I don't have a history of this, and then again, I have never lost $100 before, especially so brutally. It must've brought out my bad side. I thought the dropping the CB thing was taken care of after I re-picked it back up for him, but I guess not.
 
It's folly, IMO, to think about what the other guy should have done, because you have no power to change his behavior; he'll have to deal with the consequences of how he decides to handle these situations on his own. All you can do is modify your own behavior, which, as you admitted, could have been better in this situation. Very few people can perform up to their usual standard when they allow their emotions to get the better of them; you may be one of those rare people, but your actions (especially #1) indicate that you are not. It sounds like you, in order to protect yourself, need to either get your emotions in check when gambling, or at least learn to recognize when you've reached the point of no return. Then you can pull up and go at him again once you've cooled off. One danger of not doing that is that you could get a reputation for handing out heat scores, and people will start trying to p*ss you off intentionally. Or you just get labeled as bad action, and that's that.

Not to take sides, since I don't know either of you, but I would have probably quit you as soon as you dropped the cueball on the floor. That's the kind of behavior I love to see out somebody playing $200 sets, because it almost always translates into an easy win when a guy is battling not only you but his emotions as well... but I'd rather sit at the bar and watch Cash Cab than get into an altercation over $2.20 a rack.

I do give you props, though, for telling the good and the bad of your side of the story. Usually these types of posts start with "Listen to what this a-hole did to me, and I didn't do anything to deserve it.", LOL.


Good luck,

Aaron
 
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I agree with both of your points. I just feel I got the raw end of that deal. "The Shaft" as it were.



KoolKat9Lives... yeah, maybe you guys are right, but I wanted to be as honest as possible and tell you everything I knew. That way no one could say I was hiding something. Maybe I am a sore loser, but I don't have a history of this, and then again, I have never lost $100 before, especially so brutally. It must've brought out my bad side. I thought the dropping the CB thing was taken care of after I re-picked it back up for him, but I guess not.
Since you seem sorry about the way you acted, I would suggest apologising to him. Especially when you have a history of playing against each other. Lt him know you were just playing badly and you let it have an effect on your attitude.
 
Plus, you played for how many hours and your half was only $18? Sounds like a deal in the first place...
 
bad action

You would've never lost $100 to me, because as soon as the negativity starts, I will soon quit the match, and probably never play you again. Bad action is not worth the time or the money to me.
 
Picking up the time is a courtesy, and perhaps a marketing tactic to get some repeat business. It's not an absolute right. And once the cue ball hit the floor, absent an apology, I wouldn't pay your time no matter how much I won from you.

You can still play sets when it's hostile, but you should post the money and expect to pay your own time regardless of the outcome.

Cory

UPDATE: Also, what Thecoats said.
 
With all due respect...

Sounds like you were being a poor sport and a real d1ck.

The little things you pointed out in and of themselves are not that awful... but they point to an overall attitude that it sounds like you had with him. Yeah he kept playing because he was in stroke and winning the cheese but I'm absolutely certain that you had a bad attitude that eminated from you and created a hostile playing atmosphere... I can almost feel the discomfort right now... For $100, thats barely worth me having to put up with that crap. No way Im paying for your time, sh1t you had to pay me $100 just to put up with it.

But the fact that you came here & admited this, makes me think your actually a pretty nice guy that had a bad day... lost some cash and didn't handle it well.

JMHO.
 
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With all due respect...

Sounds like you were being a poor sport and a real d1ck.

The little things you pointed out in and of themselves are not that awful... but they point to an overall attitude that it sounds like you had with him. Yeah he kept playing because he was in stroke and winning the cheese but I'm absolutely certain that you had a bad attitude that eminated from you and created a hostile playing atmosphere... I can almost feel the discomfort right now... For $100, thats barely worth me having to put up with that crap. No way Im paying for your time, sh1t you had to pay me $100 just to put up with it.

But the fact that you came here & admited this, makes me think your actually a pretty nice guy that had a bad day... lost some cash and didn't handle it well.

JMHO.

I agree with what you have said and am wondering if there was alcohol involved.
 
I dont pay time for anyone but a good friend that i play cheap sets with, and then only if i win enough to cover the time. Judging by the way you said you were acting i would not have paid for you anyhow.

Grow up, and if $18 is a big deal to you, you probably shouldn't have been losing $100 in the first place.
 
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