Thats really it, Ive read a few threads about milkduds. I had a guy put a pressed elk master on I liked that one, I dont think he press it very much. Then I had anohter guy do one he turned the thing into a rock. I couldnt stand it just wondering why sombody would play with a tip that hard. And why take a med tip and press it why not just use a hard tip...
Why play with a hard tip ?
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I play with triangles. They are pretty hard but they seem not to glaze and grab a lot on off center hits. But I see what you're saying...I probably should experiment more but I'm too lazy to have to adapt to another tip and I haven't been playing a lot lately.
Triangles are the best.
ive tried alot of tips and i finally settled for elkmaster , i even use that on my break cue , elkmaster is the way to go fo me .
I personally like my milk dud on the medium side. I just rushed one, 1 day in milk, 1 day in the vise....and it turned out wayyyy too soft for me. And my initial press took the thickness of the tip just under what they come like out of the box.
Another thing to consider:
HSV B.42 - tip and cue efficiency
Dr. Dave Billiards youtube channel has all kinds of fascinating info about this sort of thing.
I had always felt when playing with a broken in Triangle, or if I had the monies to toss at a Kamui medium, the cueball just "left" faster. I guess that's hard to explain, until I watched the above youtube clip. In my experience, though, these two mushroomed or glazed over soon and often.
A good milk dud has yet to do that for me. Great, adjustable consistency, cost-effective, and durable at all thicknesses. And holds chalk like a mother.
Another thing to consider:
HSV B.42 - tip and cue efficiency
Dr. Dave Billiards youtube channel has all kinds of fascinating info about this sort of thing.
I had always felt when playing with a broken in Triangle, or if I had the monies to toss at a Kamui medium, the cueball just "left" faster. I guess that's hard to explain, until I watched the above youtube clip. In my experience, though, these two mushroomed or glazed over soon and often.
A good milk dud has yet to do that for me. Great, adjustable consistency, cost-effective, and durable at all thicknesses. And holds chalk like a mother.
Not being sarcastic...
I wasnt trying to be sarcastic I was really asking the question "Why play with a hard tip"..
But thanks for the info about elkmasters. I think Im going to start doing my own so i can get it just the way I like. I really liked the first one but after the next one I just went back to Everest
I wasnt trying to be sarcastic I was really asking the question "Why play with a hard tip"..
But thanks for the info about elkmasters. I think Im going to start doing my own so i can get it just the way I like. I really liked the first one but after the next one I just went back to Everest
if u break with your cue using a harder tip will keep it from mushrooming and you wont go thru tips 2 fast. its also takes longer to smooth a harder tip from play than it does a softer one so u dont have to scuff as much.
also it make that cool bonk sound and makes your cue "feedback" a little more. or resonate. whatever u wanna call it.
thats all i can think of but i dont use one. morri med all the way
also it make that cool bonk sound and makes your cue "feedback" a little more. or resonate. whatever u wanna call it.
thats all i can think of but i dont use one. morri med all the way
I am no Pool expert nor am I a Physicist ...
However, after playing exclusively with Moori Mediums for several years (and loving them),
I switched to SuperPro Tips (very hard) on all of my Cues (breaking and playing) a couple
of months ago and my game has noticeably improved.
They are priced right and rarely require grooming.
However, after playing exclusively with Moori Mediums for several years (and loving them),
I switched to SuperPro Tips (very hard) on all of my Cues (breaking and playing) a couple
of months ago and my game has noticeably improved.
They are priced right and rarely require grooming.
=)
When I fist started I wanted a real soft tip.. Now the more I play the harder the tip I want.... Now for onepocket and straights I like a sniper or a med soft tip, but 9ball and banks, I like a little harder tip.. =)
When I fist started I wanted a real soft tip.. Now the more I play the harder the tip I want.... Now for onepocket and straights I like a sniper or a med soft tip, but 9ball and banks, I like a little harder tip.. =)
Mow-man,
I personally think that the only 2 advantages are #1 - less mushrooming than a soft tip: and #2 - less unintended English on shots where you inadvertently apply side English.
To me, the 2nd advantage may be critical (though I do plan to try a Milk Dud eventually). Because the level of precision required to hit in the center of the vertical axis is so severe; any unintended side English is VERY difficult to appreciate (measles cue ball can help a bit in this regard). It is very easy to hit a 64th of an inch to the left or right of center and never know it. I think the softer tips would punish you a bit more severely for such "mistakes" (applying more spin than the harder tip on such hits, resulting in more throw on the object ball, and decreasing the pocketing percentage).
Of course, if you can't draw the rock; a softer, chalk infused tip like the Elkmaster could help (but most intermediate to advanced players really do not need help in this area). Earl Strickland swears by the pressed Elkmaster tips.....he can play a little.
agreed :thumbup:
Earl Strickland swears by the pressed Elkmaster tips.....he can play a little.[/QUOTE]
I saw him when he was here with Johnny on the champions tour he showed me his little box of tips. He does this crazy force follow shot andthe cue ball still has spin coming of the 4th rail, its nuts. I can get it to go the 4 rails but no spin after the 3rd rail with a everest, as soon as I put the pressed elk master on, I could do the shot alot better.
I need to ask the guy that put on the first one how much he pressed it,but hes been sick for awhile, like in the hospital sick so he hasnt been around. One thing I do know is it wasnt even close to as hard as the ones the second guy did. He is a great player and swears by hard tips but those things were like rocks, might as well just put on water buffalo.
I pretty much figured good enough for Strickland, and Efren gotto be good enough for me....
I saw him when he was here with Johnny on the champions tour he showed me his little box of tips. He does this crazy force follow shot andthe cue ball still has spin coming of the 4th rail, its nuts. I can get it to go the 4 rails but no spin after the 3rd rail with a everest, as soon as I put the pressed elk master on, I could do the shot alot better.
I need to ask the guy that put on the first one how much he pressed it,but hes been sick for awhile, like in the hospital sick so he hasnt been around. One thing I do know is it wasnt even close to as hard as the ones the second guy did. He is a great player and swears by hard tips but those things were like rocks, might as well just put on water buffalo.
I pretty much figured good enough for Strickland, and Efren gotto be good enough for me....
Earl Strickland swears by the pressed Elkmaster tips.....he can play a little.
I saw him when he was here with Johnny on the champions tour he showed me his little box of tips. He does this crazy force follow shot andthe cue ball still has spin coming of the 4th rail, its nuts. I can get it to go the 4 rails but no spin after the 3rd rail with a everest, as soon as I put the pressed elk master on, I could do the shot alot better.
I need to ask the guy that put on the first one how much he pressed it,but hes been sick for awhile, like in the hospital sick so he hasnt been around. One thing I do know is it wasnt even close to as hard as the ones the second guy did. He is a great player and swears by hard tips but those things were like rocks, might as well just put on water buffalo.
I pretty much figured good enough for Strickland, and Efren gotto be good enough for me....
Thanks for the head's up! Once you get some more info, I would like to hear your friend's method as well.
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I don't believe that their is any differnce in english applied with a hard tip.... or if there is a difference it's not something I can discern or measure.
I play with a very hard tip because it transfers the feel of the connection between the cue and the cb the best and I can feel almost every nuance of that connection... all the vibrations. I like that.
Using a softer tip produces a hit that I call mushy. Too much of the engergy that I put into the stroke is absorbed by the tip. I want the cb to move a certain distance and it's enough of a crap shot to get it right even while I get all the energy transferred and I get all the feel transferred back to me. With a softer tip that just adds more variables to the shot making it even more of a guessing game as to how soft/hard to hit the ball to get the action I want.
My next shaft change will be to an 11.5mm with no ferrule and a Super Pro tip. HARD! :groucho:
I play with a very hard tip because it transfers the feel of the connection between the cue and the cb the best and I can feel almost every nuance of that connection... all the vibrations. I like that.
Using a softer tip produces a hit that I call mushy. Too much of the engergy that I put into the stroke is absorbed by the tip. I want the cb to move a certain distance and it's enough of a crap shot to get it right even while I get all the energy transferred and I get all the feel transferred back to me. With a softer tip that just adds more variables to the shot making it even more of a guessing game as to how soft/hard to hit the ball to get the action I want.
My next shaft change will be to an 11.5mm with no ferrule and a Super Pro tip. HARD! :groucho:
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