So would 80's Efren beat Mosconi...

Same ol' song and dance...:)

So I posted this thread to point out how some threads get hijacked, devolve, stray from the main topic etc...and it happens to this thread too!

This is hilarious.

And I *finally* got my first red rep!

Wheeee!

Off to my Tue night weekly 9-ball tourney...carry on people!
 
I would like to hear what someone like Buddy Hall has to say. I think that todays top players kick better and benefit from improved equipment with tighter quality control and technological improvements.

Plus isnt the next generation supposed to learn from the previous and build upon there knowledge and expieriences?
 
Donnie, I've seen you play and you're an excellent player. I also knew Randy quite well and he was a very good money player, a tad better than you might think. You probably could beat him even, but I don't think you were the last four over him, especially on a tough table where it isn't a run out every rack. On the old slow cloth, you may not have liked the game that much. Randy played his best when he was very young (in his teens and early 20's). Maybe before you ever saw him play.

I feel like I'm a pretty good judge of pool and ability. I made a little money over the years handicapping pool games. My opinion (like those of many on here) is that the best players of yesteryear were just as good as the best players of today. I'll use Eddie Kelly as an example. He could run 100 balls in 14.1 day after day. And the old Anniversaries and Sport Kings and early Gold Crowns were not such soft tables as you might think. We frequently played on double shimmed pockets (about 4.5"), with straight cut pockets.

We also played on slow cloth so a big stroke was required. The balls are not that big a factor. We had modern balls by the 60's. Back to Ed Kelly. He could make any bank or combination and understood the pack very well. He could run eight and out in One Pocket with a tough lay out. So could Jersey Red and Boston Shorty and a few others. I don't even want to tell you what Ronnie could do. You wouldn't believe me anyway. There is no one today (and I include Scott Frost, Cliff, and all the others except Efren) who play close to his speed of One Pocket. Gabe is coming the closest today but still not Ronnie's speed. Ask Grady next time you see him how good Ronnie played. See what he tells you.

If you ever saw Buddy play at his peak, that is how Kelly played 9-Ball every day. Perfect position with pin point cue ball control. He had that ball on a string. How many players today can play that way all day. I see good players miss balls just as often today as back then. And like someone else said earlier, Lassiter might not miss a ball all day. If he missed once in a Race To Eleven he considered it only a fair performance. One thing I'm emphatic about is that with a few rare exceptions (Larry Nevil being one), the players of the 60's had a bigger stroke than today's players. You had to develop your stroke back then to move the cue ball around. The difference between a good player and a great one was often how powerful his stroke was.

All in all, top flight pool is not so different today as it was 40 years ago. The best players (the top money players) could run out all day and night. On any equipment. Too bad you never saw Kelly, Jersey Red, Shorty, Ronnie or Cornbread at their peak. They would have opened your eyes wide since you love pool. These guys KNEW the game and how to play it, as good as anyone alive today. And some of them (Ronnie and Cornbread especially) could come with it for all the cash too. I've seen these guys make shots that would leave your knees weak.

I never even mentioned Keith here. He was an absolute destroyer of top money players. There is no better 9-ball player today than Keith in his prime. And no one can come with the shots he made routinely. I'd rate him a notch above today's pack of 9-Ball money players. Only a handful of guys play his speed or close. And for big money they might not get there with him. Like I said, it was a different game with the slow cloth. The run outs required work, not a bunch of soft shots.

Yes, today's champions are great players and excellent shot makers, but pool is about a little more than just shooting balls in the hole. When all your cheese is on the line, how many players can let out their stroke and make the tough shot that they need. This is why I respect the filipinos so much. They have the gambler's heart. And that's what makes them among the best players world wide year after year.

Just like the 7/11 in years gone by, there is no player who can go over to the Philippines and play a steady diet of top players there, and come home with the money. Not Shane, not anyone you can name. They will wear you out over there. One day when you have some vacation time, I would suggest you make a trip to the Philippines. If you want top flight competition (and bet what you want), you will get your fill. And if you come home with any money, I will be first to congratulate you. So far, only Johnny has been able to say he did that, about fifteen years ago. To this day, they respect his game.

By the way, you're absolute correct about kicking ability. They didn't have to kick at balls back then. They just rolled out for a shot. But they banked and cut balls unbelievably good. They had to! That's enough (maybe too much) for now. :)


You knew randy brown no shit! You are right I never saw him play when he was young. Well I never saw these guys play when they were young so I guess I'll have to shut up. I like slow cloth also. I guess if they had to cut balls and bank them all the time instead of pushing out they would be better at those shots.
 
ok when i reserch what did he win worth talking about i know he can play but he doesnt have 1 50th the hardware earl has these guys today dont have any respect and the way he talks thats why my response was a bit bitterlol.did he win some major tournament im not aware of?

No I haven't won any major tournaments nor have I played in them except the us open. I doubt I would win any of them either. I think it's really hard to win one. It is also irrevelant if I have won one or not. I still play as good as other people who have won. That means that daryl peach has action.
 
anyone who says they are positive about somthing that is impossible to be positive about is a quack,so thats why i responded in this way be humble your ok .period

Me being positive is a figure of speech. I've lost one 9ball gambling session in the last 3 years so I wasn't positive I was gonna win, but I was pretty dam sure I would. My opinion is that 9ball and 10ball are night and day. If it was 10 ball back in the day I dont think earl would've dominated as much.
 
Hey Donny I saw you play at last year's US Open...VERY impressive. Too bad about the loss to Raj at CueMasters though...but man you have a helluva game!

Well thanks. This is a good point though. I lost this 10ball set. I played a little bad and things didn't go my way. 10 ball takes a little of my confidence away also. I also think the philipinos offering people the 8 9 in tenball is kind of a gaff game because the 8 9 just doesn't show up.

Example the other night I played richie rich cheap ten ball spotting him the 8 and the last 3. At one point I was up 14 games and we adjusted to the 8 and the last 4. Point is the 8 and last 3 never even showed up, how ever the 8 last 4 did and he won alot of games back.

9 and 10 ball is so different. I'm scared to death of alot of guys playing tenball, but I'm not scared of anyone playing 9ball if the table isnt too tough. I believe in 9ball if you play at a certain level and you have a great break and the table arent 4 inch pockets then you can play almost anyone.

You dont need the perfect positon play, perfect safes, and perfect kicks in this game of 9ball. I've watched so many matches of earl and efren. Efrens kicking and safety game didn't show up that much, but if they were playing tenball I bet it would and I bet efren would've won alot more of the matches they had together.
 
Two more things. 1. Earl is actually my pool hero and one of my favorite players to watch if he is playing good. 2. I'm a dog, my nick name used to be donny the dog. When there is a lot of pressure I don't play as good as I can. I'm hoping one day I can.
 
I would like to hear what someone like Buddy Hall has to say. I think that todays top players kick better and benefit from improved equipment with tighter quality control and technological improvements.

Plus isnt the next generation supposed to learn from the previous and build upon there knowledge and expieriences?

I think this post sums it up pretty well.
 
So I posted this thread to point out how some threads get hijacked, devolve, stray from the main topic etc...and it happens to this thread too!

This is hilarious.

And I *finally* got my first red rep!

Wheeee!

Off to my Tue night weekly 9-ball tourney...carry on people!

If you throw gas on the fire............:eek:
 

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No I haven't won any major tournaments nor have I played in them except the us open. I doubt I would win any of them either. I think it's really hard to win one. It is also irrevelant if I have won one or not. I still play as good as other people who have won. That means that daryl peach has action.[/B]



That's the kind of quotes I like to read.

Now, where is Daryl Peach? Does he gamble?
 
Two more things. 1. Earl is actually my pool hero and one of my favorite players to watch if he is playing good. 2. I'm a dog, my nick name used to be donny the dog. When there is a lot of pressure I don't play as good as I can. I'm hoping one day I can.

I thought it was Donny the Dodger the way you have been dodging me sir......I'll be at strokers tonight looking for a game
 
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