If you NEED to speed up one-pocket, do this......

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enzo

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I have seen, and heard of some pretty bad (my opinion) ways to speed up the game of one pocket. Any rule relating to spotting balls that simply have made their way past a certain point on the table is a bad one as far as i'm concerned (i wont discuss why here). Yet, i feel there is a great way to speed up the game without really losing any intergrity. In fact, I think it may make it a better game. It is so simple too......

If a guy scratches (in the pocket with the cb), let him take ball in hand (yes, anywhere on the table). I REALLY don't see the big downside to this. And i feel strongly that any downside there may be could be countered by a positive side. In fact, there are MANY instances in one-pocket, where i've seen a guy scratch and go almost totally unpunished. This is ridiculous in my estimation. To elaborate a little more, for weaker players I think this rule would make even more sense; a guy scratches, and he has to pay the price..... as it stands, a weak player may scratch, miss a 9 foot shot (his only shot), and now his opponent is shooting right after he just went in the hole.

If we objectively look at this potential rule change in terms of what would happen to the game of one-pocket, i think it's a winner. If we let our judgement be clouded simply by the way the rules have been in the past, then we are not progressing, but just staying with what we are comfortable with.
 
IMO that's a pretty severe penalty for a scratch. BIH anywhere amounts to loss of game for all intents and purposes. After all we aren't running 50 balls into that pocket, only eight.

If you really need to speed the game up, ( I like it as is) just play to 6 pts.
 
It is not meant to be a fast game IMO. That takes out strategy because some people purposely foul by rolling into the pack or scratching so their opponent does not have a shot.
 
3andstop said:
IMO that's a pretty severe penalty for a scratch. BIH anywhere amounts to loss of game for all intents and purposes. After all we aren't running 50 balls into that pocket, only eight.

If you really need to speed the game up, ( I like it as is) just play to 6 pts.
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there should be a huge penalty for a scratch! but i guess this is arguable. what happens if you scratch agaist corey playing nine-ball? further, what happens if you scratch playing corey in a game of one-pocket? i guess in a way this would level the playing field b/w great shooters and less than great, that is not necessarily a good thing, BUT REWARDING GOOD CB CONTROL IS MOST DEFINITELY A GOOD THING.

but, if you do need to speed up the game, something i dont want to do mind you, this is WAY better that "spot all balls if 5 or more balls are up table etc"
 
dave sutton said:
This is possibly the worst ive heard. If you want fast pool dont play 1 pocket play 9 ball
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i persoanlly dont want to change the one-pocket rules.... but, ILL SAY IT ONE LAST TIME, THIS IS FOR THE POEPLE THAT DO FEEL THE NEED TO SPEED UP THE GAME IN THEIR TOURNAMENTS ETC. im saying i think this makes way more sense than other rule changes ive seen.

so a more appropriate response may be something like "i think spotting all balls that go past the headstring is better than ball in hand" for example.
 
I am personally glad you are saying it for the last time.:wink:

Fortunately the majority of the one pocket players do not play slow. It is just the very few that can really put a KRIMP in a tournament. What do you do about those players that spend an hour moving 15 balls up table? One Pocket shouldn't be played that way. You can't win if you don't shoot at your pocket.

If you can identify slow players at the beginning of a tournament you could enforce the #of balls past the center of the table to be spotted.

Two players can really screw up a tournament bracket in just an hour.

When the majority of players are playing 3 games in less than 90 minutes and then there are players that take 90 minutes to play one game... should they be allowed in a tournament?

enzo said:
i persoanlly dont want to change the one-pocket rules.... but, ILL SAY IT ONE LAST TIME, THIS IS FOR THE POEPLE THAT DO FEEL THE NEED TO SPEED UP THE GAME IN THEIR TOURNAMENTS ETC. im saying i think this makes way more sense than other rule changes ive seen.

so a more appropriate response may be something like "i think spotting all balls that go past the headstring is better than ball in hand" for example.
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Tom In Cincy said:
I am personally glad you are saying it for the last time.:wink:

Unfortunately the majority of the one pocket players do not play slow. It is just the very few that can really put a KRIMP in a tournament. What do you do about those players that spend an hour moving 15 balls up table? One Pocket shouldn't be played that way. You can't win if you don't shoot at your pocket.

If you can identify slow players at the beginning of a tournament you could enforce the #of balls past the center of the table to be spotted.

Two players can really screw up a tournament bracket in just an hour.

When the majority of players are playing 3 games in less than 90 minutes and then there are players that take 90 minutes to play one game... should they be allowed in a tournament?
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No.

Cory.................
 
Rafael Martinez told me several months ago that he would play ANYONE
in the world for the $$$$$ at One Pocket .......BUT.......there would be
a 10 second shot clock.

I want to see that match and my $$$$$ are on Rafael.
 
They should still be aloud to play. I do not think it is right to discriminate just because that is how they play and they play to win even if it means they move a ball around for an hour. There has to be an easier way to speed it up for players like that. If Efren or Scott Frost was one of the slow players would you ban them from your tourny?
 
I have never seen a 'slow player' win a one pocket tournament.

Thanks for your opinion.

MJR77 said:
They should still be aloud to play. I do not think it is right to discriminate just because that is how they play and they play to win even if it means they move a ball around for an hour. There has to be an easier way to speed it up for players like that. If Efren or Scott Frost was one of the slow players would you ban them from your tourny?
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It could still happen. My opinion is that it is almost the same as not hiring someone for a job because they are colored. Discrimination is discrimination.
 
speeding up one pocket

Take the back row of balls out of the rack if one pocket must be speeded up.

Viola! as a great man used to say.

Of course my opinion is that speeding up one pocket makes about as much sense as speeding up making love to a beautiful woman. What's the rush?

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Take the back row of balls out of the rack if one pocket must be speeded up.

Viola! as a great man used to say.

Of course my opinion is that speeding up one pocket makes about as much sense as speeding up making love to a beautiful woman. What's the rush?

Hu
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stop talking to my wife...
 
MJR77 said:
It could still happen. My opinion is that it is almost the same as not hiring someone for a job because they are colored. Discrimination is discrimination.
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I don't think that slow one-pocket players are a protected class for discrimination...lol. I am not sure your analogy is quite the same... A better analogy would be that you hire someone that can do the job quicker rather than someone that does the job too slow to make the profit you need.
 
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One pocket is like playing chess its all stratigic ball placement. In chess they sped it up with Clock each player has to hit a button to change to the other players time if you forget you run out of time. It's all about clock management & postion play. play speed pool if you want a fast game and set the timer for 60 seconds only that would be a fast tournament & all players would be happy probably not then it would be to fast and boring.

9 ball had push out changed it to ball in hand.
8 ball cue ball behind headstring all scratches now ball in hand.
banks 15 rack now 9 rack.
1 pocket behind headstring forget the ball in hand learn to play better and double the bet you'll love the game better or take up 3ball or 3 cusion now you take the pockets out of the equasion and can play for hours, short or long race.

Why speed up all the games some love a good statigic game sometimes long sometimes short and quick.

Its like the measale ball we all hated it now most love it.

the more time playing and practicing the more the game will speed up natuarly.

Craig
 
people keep asking "why speed the game up??" well, even though i kinda agree with you, i'll tell you why......

a guy in your town wants to run a "ball in hand" one pocket tournament once a month, race to 3, 500 added, but doesn't want a 2 day tournament. with the attitude of most of you guys, it would just be like, ok, forget that guy, he wants to change the rules of one pocket. do you realize you've just screwed a bunch of players out a nice tournament and out of putting some money in your local pool halls, and in general just screwed the game of pool on a small scale. this is the attitude that leads us nowhere! we need to be more flexible in order to bring more money and interest into the game.

so, now why is the cue ball in hand a good way to do this? first, you tell me why it is a bad idea and i'll tell you why i think you're wrong, i think that is the best way to go. to clearly state, here is what i propose....

-scratch on the break is still cb behind the line, any other scratch (in the pocket) is cb in hand.

i dont think this rule will favor any particular type of player, what i mean more is i think the best player will still win with this rule.

let me just state one last thing: JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING FOR 100 YEARS DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!!!! I really can't overemphasize this. Take this for example, a guy is on the hill (needs one ball), he hangs his 8th ball is his pocket..... his opponent invariably scratches following in his winning ball, right? do you know what a football analogy to this would be? with 15 seconds left to play in the game, guy passes, receiver catches the ball and gets to the 1 yard line, 1 yard away from the winning touchdown. opposing team now purposfully commits a penalty, ball is taken away from the 1 yard line and fouling team has to score 2 field goals to other teams 1 field goal. in other words, THEY ARE TOTALLY IN THE GAME. JUST BECASUE WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING FOR 100 YEARS DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!!!

We really have to remember this because the way we have always played biases us!!! But the way we have always played doesn't necessarily have to be right, believe me.
 
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Playing the CB from the kitchen is not a source of slow play in one-pocket. A pocket scratch in 1P usually results in a bad outcome for the scratcher.

More and more, most tournaments today have a solution for slow play if that situation presents itself. However sometimes there is simply a long game. Just like in baseball, once in awhile it goes extra innings. There is no provision in baseball to speed the game up.

People who like to shoot at a lot of balls with comparatively less defense might enjoy straight pool. And of course if two guys want to play a private match using BIH, they can do so.

Doc
 
I have seen Nick play 1pkt many times... but he didn't win the 1pocket tournament.
Of course Nick has won 1pocket tournaments, I just haven't had the pleasure of seeing any or them.

Jadssons said:
You have never seen Nick Varner play one pocket? He invented the term "wedge game".
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