Larry Price....amateur????

Ryan McCreesh said:
I know i told Allen to his face that it was a bunch of boll shit that Larry is in the amateur along with Jason Klatt, Matt clatterbuck what the ****! How about MingNg in the womens amateur is that right? what about the people that are real amateurs that want to win and have no shot because there playing PRO'S Allen u retard
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...And more tidbits from "How to win friends and influence people"....

lighten up Ryan!!! Life is short!
 
Allen Hopkins doesn't equal Dragon Promotions

Mr. J said:
Yes...you can see all the details at the Dragon Promotions website...look in the Archive past events area...


http://www.dragonpromotions.com/

look at DP PAST HIGHLIGHTS..

Mr. J.
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Jeff, this wasn't the UPA Event by Dragon Promotions. It was started and is still controlled entirely by Allen Hopkins in Valley Forge, PA. The UPA Dragon Promotions event your talkin' about was held March 21-26, 2006 in Las Vegas. I don't know of any connection between Allen Hopkins and Dragon Promotions whatsoever. These are two totally different tournaments and management bodies.
 
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Larry Price - great amateur player

It is ridiculous to call Larry Price an amateur player or let him play as such. He's a great player. I don't have anything against him except he owes me $40 and whenever I ask him for it he just puts the bite on me again. But I like Larry fine. If he's an amateur then so are Sparky Ferrell, Sammy Monday and Ignacio Chavez. As Chris Bartrum says, if you think different then you don't know pool.
 
From anything I know, Dragon Promotions and the Expo have no connection. I think the poster who pointed to the Dragon Promotions was showing a concrete example of how they determine amateur and pro status. They have a clear cut criteria. Like everyone said there is no way in pool to determine pro and amateur status, but that is not a excuse for trying. I hate Dragon Promotions but they do have a list of things that remove your amateur status. This includes winning any event at Derby City.

I have never seen a group of people more apathetic than pool players, even though everyone knows things are messed up they say oh well what are you going to do just get up and play. I would not call Allen an idiot but Ryan makes a good point. I cannot beat Ryan in any game, god knows I have tried and come close a few times. It is a huge job to manage all the entrants but many of the names listed are not unknown runout artists. They are known pro level preformers in this game.

BTW, if Larry Price's health was bad he sure didn't show it. This guy is a great player. Congrats to him for the win because as everyone has stated this tournament is super tough to win.
 
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Mr. J said:
Yes...you can see all the details at the Dragon Promotions website...look in the Archive past events area...


http://www.dragonpromotions.com/

look at DP PAST HIGHLIGHTS..

Mr. J.
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I am not talking about 2006....I am asking about the event THIS YEAR. Was this a DP event?

Yes

or

No

.....seems that this has been answered, so the 'amateur' status was solely left up to Allen Hopkins and his group. Without written rules, there will always be an issue. That is good for Larry this year but bad for pool.
 
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watchez said:
I am not talking about 2006....I am asking about the event THIS YEAR. Was this a DP event?

Yes

or

No

.....seems that this has been answered, so the 'amateur' status was solely left up to Allen Hopkins and his group. Without written rules, there will always be an issue. That is good for Larry this year but bad for pool.
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you are right, Larry a friend of mind, the win is bad for pool. The pool players ,(pros looking to steel will ruin a good thing again.) just my opion
 
AtLarge said:
I believe Rodney's open amateur victory at the Super Billiards Expo was at the first one -- which was held in Secaucus, NJ rather than in Valley Forge -- in March of 1993. As I recall, "The Hawaiian" was a known force in gambling circles at this time, but was not yet an established professional tournament champion.
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This is most likely correct because he won the open in 1996 and there is no way they would let the winner of the US Open play as an amateur.......unless the TD was staking him in the tourny....just kidding. Actually as far out as it seems this does happen but hopfully not on such a lrage scale.
 
To clear things up.....

watchez said:
I am not talking about 2006....I am asking about the event THIS YEAR. Was this a DP event?

Yes

or

No

.....seems that this has been answered, so the 'amateur' status was solely left up to Allen Hopkins and his group. Without written rules, there will always be an issue. That is good for Larry this year but bad for pool.
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Hey watchez.....what's up? No, this was not a DP event. Someone posted that listing as a 'guide' for who should/should not be allowed to play. It is apparently the list that IS USED for DP events. I think people on here were maybe thinking that Allen Hopkins should also maybe develop a similar list to determine qualified entrants for the Open Amateur event. I played in the event and have no reservations at all. Maybe I got no chance but I almost got the opportunity to play Craig McPartlin (out of Detroit? I think?). He made it to final 8 and we were surprised that Larry Price beat him in the Final 8......Craig did not play the way he was playing in all his matches up to that point or how he performed gambling in THE PIT. Let's just say I would back McPartlin against Price for a couple of dimes. 2 out of 3 races to 5 does not tell who's better.......which is why I'll keep deluding myself saying that next year I have a chance to win both the Open Amateur and the Senior Amateur:eek: Peace.
 
watchez said:
I am not talking about 2006....I am asking about the event THIS YEAR. Was this a DP event?

Yes

or

No

.....seems that this has been answered, so the 'amateur' status was solely left up to Allen Hopkins and his group. Without written rules, there will always be an issue. That is good for Larry this year but bad for pool.
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Even though someone said it was not, that doesnt mean they still couldnt use the list of players as a guide. :shrug:
 
I agree it would be great to win an amateur event, probably never will but it would be nice.I think open events are great, I love to step up and take a shot at the heavy hitters for a 75 dollars, thats awesome and cheap.Where else cou;d you shoot with these guys for that small amount.
Hell im just a banger but i've tried Brumback short rack banks twice this year even... yeah i'm stupid but i aint afraid.. and honestly it was worth the donation..it has helped my game and my confidence even though i lost.I think playing with strongest amateurs and pros is what its about for me thats the level of play i want to be on and i don't think i can reach that level without playing guys already there.:thumbup: So i say 'Let em play"..
 
great job, it's your time to rise and shine

I think it is a great victory for Mr.Larry Price. Since all his recent Medical Problems. I would rather play against Pro's. It brings out the best in Me. If Allen and the rules let him in- thats how the ball bounces. I'm very glad to see him competing know-matter what. He is a good example for Pool!!!!. mark
 
Amateur events should be for amateurs. If the player has the talent to place somewhere in the money in a pro event he is not an amateur and should not be allowed to play.
 
Klink said:
Amateur events should be for amateurs. If the player has the talent to place somewhere in the money in a pro event he is not an amateur and should not be allowed to play.
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Ok Klink, now give us your list. This is easy to say, but how do you enforce it? Humm...there becomes a huge grey area doesn't there?
 
I don't think this is enough money to call myself a professional.

$4507.50 average over 4 years minus taxes and expenses.

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Just information for all..

Black-Balled said:
Why? Another incomplete list by a party with its own interests in mind...

Wilkie is an amature and I see at least 1guy there that I wish would play me taking a spot...
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I am just wanting to bring forward documented information pertaining to the topic...

That information about the past event associated with the Dragon Promotions website also stated information regarding the Amateur event ...information contained there even stated that "Top Amateurs" were not going to be allowed to compete in the event...

I was only trying to contribute information that is available and everyone can digest it as they wish...

Mr. J.
 
Just as some more FYI.....Larry Price won the open 9 division 2 years ago in the VNEA. I didn't have a complaint that he was playing in VNEA but the open? He won it. He didn't win the 8 ball though. This was after he had won his 1st bank pool title at the DDC.
 
9_Ball_King said:
Hey watchez.....what's up? No, this was not a DP event. Someone posted that listing as a 'guide' for who should/should not be allowed to play. It is apparently the list that IS USED for DP events. Peace.
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I was only asking for clarification because IF Allen Hopkins had used the DP criteria pasted below, Larry would clearly not qualify as an Amateur. I was confused on why people were posting the DP criteria if it was not used. This only causes confusion. It is Allen's tournament and he has a right to say who can or cannot play. In some cases, it might hurt him in other players participating or even attending his event as a whole. Seems like the SBE is successful enough so Allen hopefully knows what he is doing when he allows Larry Price to play.

Again, the list below is for Dragon Promotions NOT the Allen Hopkins Event, concerning Amateur status.

(BTW, does anyone know when the next Dragon Promotions Amateur Event will be held)
Criteria for players


You can play if you:

are not ranked in the top 50 in the UPA or the top 20 in WPBA
have never been ranked in top 16 in WPA rankings
have never won a men or womens major U.S. pro tournament
have never won 1st or 2nd at a pro event in any country outside the USA

have never finished in top 16 in any male pro tournament sanctioned by the current governing body of pro pool at that time(including any of the 3 divisions at Derby City Classic)
never been ranked in or have never won 1st or 2nd in the finals on these following mens tours: FL Tour, Joss Northeast Tour, Pro Senior Tour,
We will use our discretion on certain players depending on their skill level and amount of 1st and 2nd place finishes in the following tours : Kings Bay Promotions Amateur Tour, the Super Billiards Expo Amateur Open, Planet Pool Tour, Viking Tour, Pechauer Tour, Fast Eddies Tour, Stan James Canada Tour, Pechaur New England 9 Ball Series, & Blaze Tour.
never been in the finals of the Mens BCA National Masters or Singles, or the APA National Amateur singles Championships
Have not been Men or Women Players of the Years or finished #1 Ranked for the Year on any major U.S. recognized regional tour
 
dardusm said:
Just as some more FYI.....Larry Price won the open 9 division 2 years ago in the VNEA. I didn't have a complaint that he was playing in VNEA but the open? He won it. He didn't win the 8 ball though. This was after he had won his 1st bank pool title at the DDC.
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Brian Gregg won VNEA 8ball in 07 while McGrath won the 9ball (both Masters divisions), but can these two be considered pros? Some say yes, some say no. Brian has won quite a bit of $$$$$ at the DCC and Bobby has gotten HEALTHY paychecks for winning the speedpool thing, but both of those were "outside" of the normal pro event type winnings. If one of those guys beat the 9ball field at the DCC....then, DEFINITELY pro. I dunno, I'd like to play against the best amateurs even if they are teeter tottering on pro. I like the criteria of having to win something major (whether it be the US OPEN, or such), over a PRO field, or maybe a complete domination of a smaller tour to bump you outta amateur status.
 
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