Is there a system to aim bank shots that are beyond the normal system of aiming?.... such as this....
How do you aim these type of banks?
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Not going to lie... I just try to line it up, angle in-angle out. And then I pray some.
However, there is a nice little method for lining up banks that are one pocket away [so I'm referring to your bank as 'two pockets' away]. It's hard to describe but you take your cue and run a line through it and then shift it into the pocket you want to make, leaving your tip on the rail which you want to bank it off of. Then you take the resulting intersection and bank off there. It's fool proof unless you put unnecessary english.
Sorry if I just confused the crap out of you. It's hard for me to describe
Maybe someone else can do a better job.
However, there is a nice little method for lining up banks that are one pocket away [so I'm referring to your bank as 'two pockets' away]. It's hard to describe but you take your cue and run a line through it and then shift it into the pocket you want to make, leaving your tip on the rail which you want to bank it off of. Then you take the resulting intersection and bank off there. It's fool proof unless you put unnecessary english.
Sorry if I just confused the crap out of you. It's hard for me to describe
Maybe someone else can do a better job.Get Freddy The Beard Dvds.Banks that dont go but do,and the movie.
Just do it it will shorten your learning time...
Unfortunately I don't have a system and use "feel" more than anything; however, for this bank, I am definitely taking it cross-side versus cross corner.
You should try to memorize the third rail return tracks or try this if you want to get an approx. point of aim.
http://CueTable.com/P/?@1AVxr1POxn1QWGC1UVxr4UcQt1UVxs1Ubnt3Ucpr1lWGC1lcUC@
http://CueTable.com/P/?@1AVxr1POxn1QWGC1UVxr4UcQt1UVxs1Ubnt3Ucpr1lWGC1lcUC@
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ghost table
Just picture another table, butted right up against the one you're on. In your pic, you're going to the right with the bank. Look stright thru that rail you're shooting into, toward the corner pocket of the ghost table. Aim the ball just like you're cutting it into that pocket. Rails vary, and you may need a little English to adjust the shot, or avoid the double kiss. But this will get you in the ballpark with one rail banks. Works for kicks too.
Just picture another table, butted right up against the one you're on. In your pic, you're going to the right with the bank. Look stright thru that rail you're shooting into, toward the corner pocket of the ghost table. Aim the ball just like you're cutting it into that pocket. Rails vary, and you may need a little English to adjust the shot, or avoid the double kiss. But this will get you in the ballpark with one rail banks. Works for kicks too.
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Yes, there is a method, if you can do a little math in your head, use the fractional multiplication method.
1. The OB position on the long axis of the table is 56 units (5.6 diamonds from the pocket opposite the target pocket)
2. The vertical position off the banking rail is 1/2 diamonds which has a multiplier of 0.1
3. The target point on the banking rail is 56- (0.1 x 56) = 50.4, so you aim to have the target ball hit the cushion about half an inch beyond the 5th diamond. A little outside english will help.
To do the crossover bank:
1. The OB horizontal poisition is 16 units from the side pocket.
2. 16 - (0.1x16) = 14.4. So the impact point of the bank should be 1.4 diamonds from the side pocket. No english required.
The crossover bank is the better option.
1. The OB position on the long axis of the table is 56 units (5.6 diamonds from the pocket opposite the target pocket)
2. The vertical position off the banking rail is 1/2 diamonds which has a multiplier of 0.1
3. The target point on the banking rail is 56- (0.1 x 56) = 50.4, so you aim to have the target ball hit the cushion about half an inch beyond the 5th diamond. A little outside english will help.
To do the crossover bank:
1. The OB horizontal poisition is 16 units from the side pocket.
2. 16 - (0.1x16) = 14.4. So the impact point of the bank should be 1.4 diamonds from the side pocket. No english required.
The crossover bank is the better option.
Crossing that ball is useless in 1p. I would think it is obvious that the crossover would be the appropriate shot in banks, further obvious that the OP wants to shoot the ball in the corner...
Find the line where you make the CB in the corner with no english, extend the line to the table beside you, if no table there a spot on the wall, that's your target from anywhere.
I highly recommend the book Banking with the Beard. There are a lot of different systems beyond the "normal" ones you probably know that will greatly help your game, including ones for this shot. I don't have the DVDs yet, but I'm sure there's great information in there too.
It is more my personal preference but it works for me so it may work for you. Put reverse english on the cue therefore running on the object ball, start with a firm hit and play with the speed. The angle is natural, if the object ball has running english on it. Similar to the 2 or 4 rail bank used in the corners.
One thing you can do is go from the pocket you want to make the bal in to the center of the ob. Fix that spot in your mind. Now, just transfer that spot to the cb side of the ob. Equal/Opposite. That is your theoretical contact point. That will change with how hard you hit (shortens it), and the distance to the pocket. (Can lengthen with distance). New cloth can make the ob slide up the rail a little too. Experience is your main benefactor on these shots.
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Crossing that ball is useless in 1p. I would think it is obvious that the crossover would be the appropriate shot in banks, further obvious that the OP wants to shoot the ball in the corner...
The shot came up in a 1-Pocket match.
Can you explain "third rail return tracks"? Thanks.
I haven't gotten the hang of ghost ball or fractional ball, so I'm still stuck with visualizing the point of contact on the object ball aiming. Recently, I've been using the mirror system and found it to compliment my pool aiming style. On cross side banks, I usually rely on memory, instinct or angle in/out. On banks and safeties, the mirror system works consistently for me that I constantly joke to my league practice friends that their "jedi" safeties tricks do not work on me. 
If you take the return tracks from the corner 5 system. Looking from the second rail line to the third rail return track gives you a very good idea if the bank is natural, long or short.
covered completely
In my DVD Banking With The Beard--The Movie, I spend at least an hour, out of the total of three hours that I use on the DVD, on that particular series of bank shots (long cross corners and extreme cross sides) and cover the subject quite extensively.
the Beard
If you are still missing those shots after viewing and studying the DVD, try another sport, bowling maybe.
In my DVD Banking With The Beard--The Movie, I spend at least an hour, out of the total of three hours that I use on the DVD, on that particular series of bank shots (long cross corners and extreme cross sides) and cover the subject quite extensively.
the Beard
If you are still missing those shots after viewing and studying the DVD, try another sport, bowling maybe.
My opinion completely. Some tables bank different (Diamond vs. Gold Crown) and how you hit the ball changes everything. A little tweak on the english or the speed of your stroke and the angle is changed. And that's the name of that tune.
There are many variables how a ball will come off a cushion such as speed english etc. One of the ways is the pocket your going to bank into would be numbered 0 coming up from a corner pocket count the diamonds away from the pocket 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 each pocket is an imaginary diamond. You then see what track your object ball is near. A track would be if you come up 1 diamond divide it in half so 1 would go to 1/2 diamond on other side 2 diamonds up divided in half would go to 1 diamond on other side 3 would go to 1 1/2 etc. If you extended your stick across the table going from these spots you have a track. You then have to see what track your object ball is close to being on and you would then shoot the object ball into that point on the rail. This gives you an idea where to hit the cushion to make the bank. Remember the pocket your banking into is 0 so if your going into the side pocket it is 0 and going to the right of it will be 1 2 3 4 diamonds and to the left of it would be 1 2 3 4 you then do the same thing as explained above by dividing in half going to the other side of the table to find the track. If object ball is a little to left or right of track adjust aim according to the distance it is to the right or left of track. Good Luck
Ron
Ron
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