visual aid using chalk on rail

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enzo

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so, ive read this is actually aganist the rules, the point of my post is, there are certain rules we have in pool i think are just not enforcable.

i think first you'd have to prove a guy is using a chalk as a visula aid (realize, this would be impossible to prove unless you asked him and he said he was).

second, even if a guy did get a warning, now he has to watch out so as to not put the chalk somewhere the ref or opponent MAY think he's marking the table.

point is, it's just unenforcable and we should just forget about it, kinda like the "random" ball order in 9ball.
 
I concur! I use sometimes to lend reference to the right/ wrong line. usually when playing shape that requires little CB movement.

I mean I have never used it...
 
Usually when using it as an aide it is pretty obvious, studying angles and very carefully placing the chalk. Also, usually someone using the chalk will put it where they are shooting from, not across the table. I don't think this is as tough a rule to inforce as the random racking.
 
Here's what you CAN do.

If you suspect your opponent is using it as a marker, simply inform them that they are not allowed to use the chalk as a marker and move the chalk.
When they say that they were not, then apologize, saying 'Oh.. My bad. Sorry' or something like that.

If the rule is NOT there, then they will say, "but there's no rule against using a marker" etc.

Just a suggestion...
 
enzo said:
so, ive read this is actually aganist the rules, the point of my post is, there are certain rules we have in pool i think are just not enforcable.

i think first you'd have to prove a guy is using a chalk as a visula aid (realize, this would be impossible to prove unless you asked him and he said he was).

second, even if a guy did get a warning, now he has to watch out so as to not put the chalk somewhere the ref or opponent MAY think he's marking the table.

point is, it's just unenforcable and we should just forget about it, kinda like the "random" ball order in 9ball.
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I dont see much abuse of this rule from anyone who plays regularly.

If someone leaves chalk on the table in the 'right spot' i will use it just like i use smudges, lights, chalk marks shadows etc. Is that legal?

Id hate to see it dropped as a rule and have certain guys taking 5 minutes deciding just where to place the chalk.
 
I've seen this done once. It was just a local tournament that said nothing of such in the rules so I guess it was unforceable....but it looked pretty ridiculous. However....if a guy actually has to mark where he thinks he has to hit his CB/OB....I give him a pretty slim chance of actually pocketing the ball.
 
Why do you say it is 'unenforceable'?

Where I've played it is easily explained to players that claimed they didn't know the rule and stopped using the chalk and also stopped placing the balls in a particular order.

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enzo said:
point is, it's just unenforcable and we should just forget about it, kinda like the "random" ball order in 9ball.
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Just like a tell in poker.

I have a friend who thinks he gains some great advantage by using the chalk as a marker.

He doesn't. He is just showing that he has a knowledge deficiency on how to make the shot.

So I bet him a beer that he won't make the shot. Just a little added pressure on shots he will miss with remarkable regularity.:D:D:D
 
black balled has the right idea....just move the chalk.
ive run into this for years and more now that one has to kick at balls ..( used to be push-out in my day ). I move the chalk all the time....get some funny looks sometimes...lol
 
I have actually considered using chalk as an aiming marker. I've never known if it was legal or not. An instance of when it would be of great benefit is when using the 'mirror system' for kicking balls. That was when I considered using it.
 
To be honest...if I see someone do it, I just let it go. For one, its too hard to prove that it was done intentionally and used as a marker which can lead to senseless arguments. Two, for the people who say just move the chalk on the person, if it was me and someone walked up and moved it on me, I would do the same to them while they were in mid-stroke - just to remind them to mind their own game....
 
I was watching Shawn Putnam's first round match in the IPT pro-am last november when this came up. The IPT plays BIH 8-ball with a 3 foul rule. His opponent was on 2 and faced with a tough kick, and very obviously placed the chalk on the kick rail. Shawn just got up, took the chalk, and said, "That's not allowed." He then called a ref over to have the shot observed, his opponent scractched, and Shawn won the race (to 3).
 
macneilb said:
To be honest...if I see someone do it, I just let it go. For one, its too hard to prove that it was done intentionally and used as a marker which can lead to senseless arguments. Two, for the people who say just move the chalk on the person, if it was me and someone walked up and moved it on me, I would do the same to them while they were in mid-stroke - just to remind them to mind their own game....
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You are right on. Don't come to the table and move something when it's my turn. If you have a problem just tell me.
 
I don't mind it... knowing where to hit and executing are different things, and it seems like most people forget to account for the fact that they're hitting a point on the rubber parallel to that chalk (or diamond)... not aiming straight at it. I kind of hope they'll aim straight at it and miss.
 
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I was playing one of my freinds at the bar and he took over a minute to line up the chaulk for a bank shot. I waited until he was done lining up the chaulk, then I moved it with a bar cue before he shot. I got a very strange look and informed him that he couldn't do that.:cool:
 
I've not had anyone use chalk to mark the rail in a gambling session before, but I did have a guy do something a bit more creative one time. He was using his cue to measure out a kick he wanted to make with the mirror method. Once he had his spot, he just swiped his index finger along the rail-top, perpendicular to the cushion. Whether from the dirtiness of the rail or the oil from his skin (or both), there was a very visible line on the rail after he did this.

Under different circumstances I might have said something, but in this case I figured the kick-make was about a 20% proposition for him and it included a dead sellout on a miss, so I let it go. If he'd been measuring out the correct shot, a kick-safe that would have put me in lockup, I might have said "geez these rails are funky, hold on a second while I use this rag to wipe 'em down." ;)

Aaron
 
probably a warning and then maybe disqualification for unsportsmanlike conduct?
or maybe just a foul
 
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