Ferrule Question

PDX

PDX

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Can you take a ferrule off of one shaft and put it on another? I know that there are quite a few variables, but here is the scenario. Micarta ferrule on a warped Schon shaft. Would like to get it off and have a shaft made with that ferrule. Thanks.
 
PDX said:
Can you take a ferrule off of one shaft and put it on another? I know that there are quite a few variables, but here is the scenario. Micarta ferrule on a warped Schon shaft. Would like to get it off and have a shaft made with that ferrule. Thanks.
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Yes, but sometimes the new shaft will have to be slightly smaller in diameter so as to true up the installation. The original shaft will be destroyed in the process by the way.

Dick
 
Old shaft could be saved but will be somewhat shorter with longer ferrel , but micarta can be easily removed and installed with almost no loss of diameter except for sanding to true up ... Never had to make a shaft to match a ferrel but hey , this is America :cool:
 
Your assuming perfectly round both items and centered correctly now and then. Anything can happen everyone just being honest that it could be a hair or 2 smaller worst case scenerio.

Craig
 
rhncue said:
Yes, but sometimes the new shaft will have to be slightly smaller in diameter so as to true up the installation. The original shaft will be destroyed in the process by the way.

Dick
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I'm agreeing with Dick more & more these days. Anyway, the hole in the removed ferrule may not be perfectly centered or the O.D. of either the new shaft or the old ferrule may not be perfectly round. There are several reasons why the instalation might make the TRUED UP installation slightly smaller, but to answer your question, yes it can be done...JER
 
I can understand the process of TRUE UP with new shaft......My question is....How do you remove the whole ferrule from one shaft? Heat it up to loosen up the glue and unscrew it out......Or just cut if off at the wood end and drill and retap???

TIA for all info.

Frank.
 
vegasplayer said:
I can understand the process of TRUE UP with new shaft......My question is....How do you remove the whole ferrule from one shaft? Heat it up to loosen up the glue and unscrew it out......Or just cut if off at the wood end and drill and retap???

TIA for all info.

Frank.
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That's the way I would do it if I wanted to save the ferrule. Cut, drill & glue...JER
 
For sure, since the shaft is junk, cut the ferrule off of it, then drill and tap. Heating is a last resort if you want to keep the ferrule in good shape.
 
As You have stated as well as others, there are many variables, but I would prefer to cut It off, drill It out, then bore, or chase the threads out if threaded.
I change out a lot of ferrules by heating them up, and simply twisting or pulling them off the tenon, but in general most of them are not being saved anyhow, so I have a small butane torch that I can set on the lowest setting, and It heats them up enough that they come off the tenon in a fairly clean manner. That's fine and works well for me when installing new ferrule material, but even on It's lowest setting the torch still scorches the old ferrule.
Another trick is to use a piece of leather to heat the ferrule up, This may do far less damage to the ferrule, but from My experiences is far less effective at heating the glue up as much, but depending on how well the old ferrule is on there, and the type of glue used, It's possible if someone was patient enough, that It could be removed that way, although My preference would still be cutting the ferrule off, and re-machining the inside.
Just hope that the ferrule is centered well with the tenon, or unfortunately You may be cutting the shaft up for no good reason. With that thought in mind Maybe I would at least give It a good shot of getting the ferrule off clean, before attempting to cut It off. It could end up being pretty tuff to do, but If It was to come off clean, so that You can look at the centering, and It was off too much to be used on a new shaft, then It could still be re-installed on the old one again. Good Luck with It:)
 
Glad to see no one came up with cut 2 inches off the old shaft and turn it down to a tennon then drill out the new shaft for the tennon. You might keep your centers tighter I dont think it would play the same all that glue would stiffen the hit. Or crack the shaft from hydrulic pressure.

Craig
 
i was asked to do this and wasnt too happy about it. thought it would be too much work. i got lucky and is came out perfect.
 
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I would also cut, drill, bore, and tap ferrule. using heat would damage ferrule. Taking time to make sure everything is turning true will make this an easy job. Like cutting a break cue into a break/jump.
 
Thanks for all the responses. I guess another questions is this, depending on how warped a shaft is, what is usually the smallest diameter to turn it down to in order to make the shaft straight, or is this even possible.

Patrick
 
PDX said:
Thanks for all the responses. I guess another questions is this, depending on how warped a shaft is, what is usually the smallest diameter to turn it down to in order to make the shaft straight, or is this even possible.

Patrick
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If it's warped now, more likely it will stay straight if retapered.

Really, I think the Juma ferrule solves your dilemna. It's really close to the old yellow Schon ferrule. I still have two old Schon ferrules unused.
A 1-inch capped threaded Juma ferrules looks and feels the same as the old Schon yellow ferrule to me.
 
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