Question: what make the shaft / cue hit's better?

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hypnauticz

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just wonder..i have a shaft.that i really didn't like the hit on it..that's why i gotta change it back to the original shaft.but the issue with that shaft is wob...so i just wonder is there's anything i can do for this shaft to make it hit much better ? for sound and improvement of the hit?

i can take picture of the shaft if you guys need to see wat type of taper . ferrule , wood and info
 
IMO the Ferrule and Tip that you use are going to have a very big factor with the "hit" of the cue, the feel of the hit comes from the taper and density of the shaft wood.
 
general fule for me is start with the front and work you way back.

first change tip. maybe ferrule. then possible a retaper.

first you kinda have to identify what you dont like about the hit. too soft, too hard, too stiff, too fat ect...

youd be suprised how much a simple tip change can effect the play of a cue
 
dave sutton said:
general fule for me is start with the front and work you way back.

first change tip. maybe ferrule. then possible a retaper.

first you kinda have to identify what you dont like about the hit. too soft, too hard, too stiff, too fat ect...

youd be suprised how much a simple tip change can effect the play of a cue
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well is really hard to explain it..if u didn't play with it ..you woudn't know..i let few peopels test hit with the cue..they all stated the same..is the cue that can't do alot of hit with it...

i already change the tip to 3 tips still the same.
never retaper or done the ferrule on it..that's why i was wonder maybe i change the ferrule or retape it to see..if that helps....few peopels say the wood is too new so i guess maybe too stiff ? not sure..if i got a picture of the clean wood and stuff will that able to help??
 
hypnauticz said:
well is really hard to explain it..if u didn't play with it ..you woudn't know..i let few peopels test hit with the cue..they all stated the same..is the cue that can't do alot of hit with it...

i already change the tip to 3 tips still the same.
never retaper or done the ferrule on it..that's why i was wonder maybe i change the ferrule or retape it to see..if that helps....few peopels say the wood is too new so i guess maybe too stiff ? not sure..if i got a picture of the clean wood and stuff will that able to help??
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well im not sure how to help. like i said u kinda need to identify what u dont like about it. is it too fat? retaper will help the hit but if the taper feels ok and you dont like the hit then maybe thats not the prob. ppl usually retaper for feeling between their fingers. IMO new wood is not stiffer. old wood is. clean wood hits bit flimsy for my taste. i look for older more golden wood but with that you get marks but id rather have that. play comes first in my book
 
Since you've already tried 3 tip changes and others say it hits like crap too, ditch it and pickup another one. There are so many good hitting cues available from the many cue makers out there now, I wouldn't waste time messing with it. Even if you're short on cash, you can buy a lot of cue from some of the lesser known cue makers on this site for a very reasonable price. Spend your time learning to play better pool, rather than worrying about what's wrong with this particular cue.
Mr H
 
If By any chance You happen to know someone with another shaft that fits the joint, then I recommend trying It just to see if there's a difference. It's true that most of the time a lot can be done with tip, ferrule change, or re-taper if you know what change needs to be made, but although It's kind of rarer, some shafts for whatever reasons just hit like doo doo no matter what changes you make regardless of if the changes made were the right ones or not. Sometimes It's the whole cue that contributes to a bad hit, although many times It's in the shaft Itself that is creating a dead hit or feel, and having another shaft matched to the handle can make a world of difference when all else fails.
 
Cue Crazy said:
If By any chance You happen to know someone with another shaft that fits the joint, then I recommend trying It just to see if there's a difference. It's true that most of the time a lot can be done with tip, ferrule change, or re-taper if you know what change needs to be made, but although It's kind of rarer, some shafts for whatever reasons just hit like doo doo no matter what changes you make regardless of if the changes made were the right ones or not. Sometimes It's the whole cue that contributes to a bad hit, although many times It's in the shaft Itself that is creating a dead hit or feel, and having another shaft matched to the handle can make a world of difference when all else fails.
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i try it out with a friends shaft..and it hit much better then the one i have..and i have no idea.why..is a diffent feeling of it..it hit's diffent..and sound is totally diffent for it too..so yea.. i done a tip change..it change a bit diffent..so now i need to do the ferrule change to see..i might also try retape it after try it out with the ferrule
 
you can build the same thing 10 times the same way. some just dont turn out. i personaly play with every cue i make for that reason

i say take it to a maker that knows what he is looking for. not sayin your stupid or a bad player just a maker has a little more insite if you can understand what i mean. explain the situation.
 
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hypnauticz said:
i try it out with a friends shaft..and it hit much better then the one i have..and i have no idea.why..is a diffent feeling of it..it hit's diffent..and sound is totally diffent for it too..so yea.. i done a tip change..it change a bit diffent..so now i need to do the ferrule change to see..i might also try retape it after try it out with the ferrule
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Like Dave said, It has nothing to do with the level of the player, cause I know higher caliber players that really don't have a clue why a shaft feels a certain way that it does, but It's gonna be a little harder for a repair man to go on limited information. That's one of the reasons I like to keep that kind of work on the local level ,so that I get a chance to watch and learn about the player that I'm trying to match. That kind of stuff is a lot easier to figure out with a regular customer. What You can do though, If your friend will let you borrow his shaft, is to take it, and your old shaft to the guy doing the work for you, and he can try to copy the characteristics the best he can. That may get you in the ball park, but Please Don't hold it against him if it doesn't, because he is limited by the canvas he has to work with. like i mentioned before although rare, sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, nothing is gonna help but a change of shaft. I've on rare occasion seen low B grade shaft wood with bad runoff that played great, and high A grade that ran dead straight, and for whatever reasons played terribly. What that tells me is that we can only do the best We can to pick good shaft wood, but some of it is still up to mother nature, and mother nature can always throw us an occasional curve ball.

Greg
 
hypnauticz said:
just wonder..i have a shaft.that i really didn't like the hit on it..that's why i gotta change it back to the original shaft.but the issue with that shaft is wob...so i just wonder is there's anything i can do for this shaft to make it hit much better ? for sound and improvement of the hit?

i can take picture of the shaft if you guys need to see wat type of taper . ferrule , wood and info
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you could have the shaft retapered and see if that works. i guess changing your tip/ferrule is what you should try first though.

at the end of the day you might just have to give up on that shaft and get one to replace it. you can only spit shine a turd so much
 
There is some good advise posted from good people.
You have changed tips, tried a different shaft.The shaft change worked, so I think you should look at getting another shaft.
By the time you re ferrule the existing shaft, then go down the re taper route , maybe look at the shaft joint, you are along way into a new shaft price already.
Depending on who is doing all the above work, you may be able to just buy a new shaft.
Wood is wood, some is good , some looks good but plays bad, some looks bad and still plays good.
However , if you have someone near by and you want to experiment with different things , you have a good shaft to learn from. Since it is no good now, you can only win by learning something.
Neil
 
dave sutton said:
you can build the same thing 10 times the same way. some just dont turn out. i personaly play with every cue i make for that reason

i say take it to a maker that knows what he is looking for. not sayin your stupid or a bad player just a maker has a little more insite if you can understand what i mean. explain the situation.
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.i understand what you mean..but i'm sorry to say..i do not trust this cue maker anymore..after he done this to me..

i dont want to say names and all..first i got the shaft from this cue maker..i told him how i want it what i want it he and he gave it to me totally diffent from what i expecting it.. then i said wateva still play with it..after a week.the clear coth's came chip from the shaft below the join he blame it on me saying that i cosh that problem..and he say stuff tat i dislike ..such as..oh is really hard to make money from you..to be honest is that really my fault taht i return the shaft to him to ask to fix the problem for me ?
 
i dont think its your fault. if you took proper care. the maker shoud stand behind his work. i wouldnt be so nice if he screwed you over. if the finish is pealing already then it something he should fix. thats where a forum like this with lots of members and potential customers can force his hand a bit.
 
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