APA - What a Rip Off.

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I wanted to throw this payout scenario out here regarding the APA vs our local ACS league. I asked what the payout was for their division of 8 teams & the total prize fund to pay among 3 places was $1,000. The took in $4,800 in a 15 week session. We paid back $1,100 for 1st.. $700 for 2nd .. & $400 to 3rd with ONLY 4 teams. That is $3,800 gone from the APA division purse. Also keep in mind this LO runs the entire state & I would estimate has 250+ teams in several divisions. So the little 8 team division they have here is just a small slice of the pie. Now I am sure we will get the usual blah blah speel about how the APA is a business & such. There is of course nothing wrong with someone making a living. This however is going overboard... it is plain robbery to the players paying into this foolishness. It is hard for me to understand how nieve people can be. Do the math people the so called "free" trip to Vegas is NOT free.
 
mongoose- said:
I wanted to throw this payout scenario out here regarding the APA vs our local ACS league. I asked what the payout was for their division of 8 teams & the total prize fund to pay among 3 places was $1,000. The took in $4,800 in a 15 week session. We paid back $1,100 for 1st.. $700 for 2nd .. & $400 to 3rd with ONLY 4 teams. That is $3,800 gone from the APA division purse. Also keep in mind this LO runs the entire state & I would estimate has 250+ teams in several divisions. So the little 8 team division they have here is just a small slice of the pie. Now I am sure we will get the usual blah blah speel about how the APA is a business & such. There is of course nothing wrong with someone making a living. This however is going overboard... it is plain robbery to the players paying into this foolishness. It is hard for me to understand how nieve people can be. Do the math people the so called "free" trip to Vegas is NOT free.
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The average APA player still has not figured this out. The APA stands for "Acquire Players Assets". That is why all the League operators are rich. It is the worst league, IMO.
 
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so, am I reading this right... out of 4800 bucks, the APA LO kept 3800 and only gave 1,000 back?

Sounds awful.

Is the pay structure up to the individual league operator, or does the entire APA all follow the same guideline?

In another league, my team recently got 2 dollars (yes, two) for placing 4th. We had more wins than anyone else so that stung a lot.
 
mongoose- said:
I wanted to throw this payout scenario out here regarding the APA vs our local ACS league. I asked what the payout was for their division of 8 teams & the total prize fund to pay among 3 places was $1,000. The took in $4,800 in a 15 week session. We paid back $1,100 for 1st.. $700 for 2nd .. & $400 to 3rd with ONLY 4 teams. That is $3,800 gone from the APA division purse. Also keep in mind this LO runs the entire state & I would estimate has 250+ teams in several divisions. So the little 8 team division they have here is just a small slice of the pie. Now I am sure we will get the usual blah blah speel about how the APA is a business & such. There is of course nothing wrong with someone making a living. This however is going overboard... it is plain robbery to the players paying into this foolishness. It is hard for me to understand how nieve people can be. Do the math people the so called "free" trip to Vegas is NOT free.
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You have the biggest vote with your dollars. Don't support it if you don't agree with it. Don't join.

~rc
 
mongoose- said:
I wanted to throw this payout scenario out here regarding the APA vs our local ACS league. I asked what the payout was for their division of 8 teams & the total prize fund to pay among 3 places was $1,000. The took in $4,800 in a 15 week session. We paid back $1,100 for 1st.. $700 for 2nd .. & $400 to 3rd with ONLY 4 teams. That is $3,800 gone from the APA division purse. Also keep in mind this LO runs the entire state & I would estimate has 250+ teams in several divisions. So the little 8 team division they have here is just a small slice of the pie. Now I am sure we will get the usual blah blah speel about how the APA is a business & such. There is of course nothing wrong with someone making a living. This however is going overboard... it is plain robbery to the players paying into this foolishness. It is hard for me to understand how nieve people can be. Do the math people the so called "free" trip to Vegas is NOT free.
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What was the league operators answer about the 3.8K????:wink:
 
There is no such thing as a "Free lunch" or "Trip to Vegas". But the promis of either sure sounds attractive.

The math here dosent make sence to me in the OP. $4800 collected, $3800 gone and there was $2200 in payouts, did I mis read something?

I dont like league pool, in anyform.
 
Want a good league with great payouts? Use IN2POOL.COM http://www.in2pool.com/

That's what the ISPA http://ispa.in2pool.com/ is now using and league players couldn't be happier as far as I know. Of all the $$$ taken in there is some that goes to sanctioning, some to a local secratary/treasurer that enters every weeks info, some to cover the costs of using IN2POOL's website and scoring, etc. but I think the payouts at the end of the year are easily over 75% of what is taken in.

From what info I keep getting here on AZ, why anyone would be involved in APA is beyond me .......... (disclaimer:I have never participated in an APA league, I just know what I keep seeing here on AZ about it) ............ I suppose it's mainly due to tremendous marketing on their part and people not realizing that there are other options available out there.

APA=Aquiring Players Assets seems about right from what I can see though.

Check out some of the info on IN2POOL if you get time. It might be another option to explore for those unhappy with the APA.
 
I love these "I figured it out about...." threads. If your goal is $$DOLLARS$$ for playing pool; did you really expect to do it by playing in ANY league? Could they pay out more? Sure. But, they won't if they don't have to (and it seems that their participation hasn't suffered enough for them to offer more). It's like someone saying - "Man, I can't believe that casinos make money, they should pay out more!"
 
trustyrusty said:
I love these "I figured it out about...." threads. If your goal is $$DOLLARS$$ for playing pool; did you really expect to do it by playing in ANY league? Could they pay out more? Sure. But, they won't if they don't have to (and it seems that their participation hasn't suffered enough for them to offer more). It's like someone saying - "Man, I can't believe that casinos make money, they should pay out more!"
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A most excellent point. :thumbup:
 
mongoose- said:
I wanted to throw this payout scenario out here regarding the APA vs our local ACS league. I asked what the payout was for their division of 8 teams & the total prize fund to pay among 3 places was $1,000. The took in $4,800 in a 15 week session. We paid back $1,100 for 1st.. $700 for 2nd .. & $400 to 3rd with ONLY 4 teams. That is $3,800 gone from the APA division purse. Also keep in mind this LO runs the entire state & I would estimate has 250+ teams in several divisions. So the little 8 team division they have here is just a small slice of the pie. Now I am sure we will get the usual blah blah speel about how the APA is a business & such. There is of course nothing wrong with someone making a living. This however is going overboard... it is plain robbery to the players paying into this foolishness. It is hard for me to understand how nieve people can be. Do the math people the so called "free" trip to Vegas is NOT free.
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They don't even grease you up before they give it to you. Try playing double jepardy (8-ball and 9-ball same night) twice a week, talk about bending over...OUCH.
 
The APA is a for profit league. If the owners of the league don't make money, no league. I agree, if you don't like the payout don't play, but what pool players don't seem to understand is that someone has to make a profit, or no more leagues or tournaments. Are they supposed to do it for free?

I actually have an in house pool league in my room that gives all the money back, but it's run by a player who doesn't need the money and really enjoys the experience. But this is certainly the exception.
 
If you don't enjoy playing in the APA Leagues - why play in the APA League? Don't try to tear an organization down just b/c you don't like it. Just stop league play.

Let me see now - what other items are a rip off? Hmmmm let me see now - oh yeah how about 40K for a nice car, your telephone bill with its inherent taxes, Fed Inc Tx, SS, restaurants, liquor, cig's, golf, gasoline, (tons of taxes), interest rates from you local FDIC insured bank, pot, Viagra, health care costs in general, pool cues, etc etc etc. I would guess you can come up with other things but this should be a start.
 
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perspective by comparison

We have 2 BCA divisions here and paid out almost 20k in prize money. One division has 10 teams the other has 8. The players pay 15 dollars each time they play with 1 dollar going to the league operator and 2$ for table time. We also paid 10$ for perfect scores, and 5$ dollars for B+R and R+R We also paid top A's, B's. C's and Women and most consecutive wins. The first place team in both divisions recieved almost 2k for "team" payout alone... not to mention all the individual money. When I hear complaints from my players about payout I just laugh...
 
IA8baller said:
Want a good league with great payouts? Use IN2POOL.COM http://www.in2pool.com/
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I suppose it's mainly due to tremendous marketing on their part and people not realizing that there are other options available out there.

APA=Aquiring Players Assets seems about right from what I can see though.

Check out some of the info on IN2POOL if you get time. It might be another option to explore for those unhappy with the APA.
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The sad thing is that in some areas, there are no other viable options. in the Northern Virginia area, there are two choices APA and TAP. No BCA leagues. There are some tournaments around that are good but the Tiger Tour folded up shop for this season after only one tournament. The APA Masters league (no handicap, race to 7) is my favorite League Format at least until someone starts a One Pocket League or weekly tournament with a low entry fee (which probably won't attract players) though many people won't drop $50+ on a weekly tournament.

Just my thoughts.
 
It dumbfounds me that anyone would have complained about your payouts John! And I can back that up... I was 60th out of 65 regular players and on the #4 team... my payout made me happy. :D Thank you very much!

Other leagues should look at how ya'll handled the season. :thumbup:

wait... where's the happy dance...

:happydance: :joyful:


ugotactionTX said:
We have 2 BCA divisions here and paid out almost 20k in prize money. One division has 10 teams the other has 8. The players pay 15 dollars each time they play with 1 dollar going to the league operator and 2$ for table time. We also paid 10$ for perfect scores, and 5$ dollars for B+R and R+R We also paid top A's, B's. C's and Women and most consecutive wins. The first place team in both divisions recieved almost 2k for "team" payout alone... not to mention all the individual money. When I hear complaints from my players about payout I just laugh...
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I don't know about how the APA or any other league that runs in your area but I know plenty of people who make use of the free tables (practice tables). With the people I see who play on those, I know most definitely it pays for itself. I know I get my moneys worth playing on the the free tables.
 
CreeDo said:
so, am I reading this right... out of 4800 bucks, the APA LO kept 3800 and only gave 1,000 back?

Sounds awful.

Is the pay structure up to the individual league operator, or does the entire APA all follow the same guideline?

In another league, my team recently got 2 dollars (yes, two) for placing 4th. We had more wins than anyone else so that stung a lot.
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That is exactly what they paid back Creedo. I don't know about the guidelines as I don't play the APA.. I just thought it was bit ridiculous.
 
Fatboy said:
There is no such thing as a "Free lunch" or "Trip to Vegas". But the promis of either sure sounds attractive.

The math here dosent make sence to me in the OP. $4800 collected, $3800 gone and there was $2200 in payouts, did I mis read something?

I dont like league pool, in anyform.
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Fatboy I could have worded that better. I mixed in our ACS payout vs the APA. The APA took in $4800 over a 15 week session. 8 teams at $8 a head. They paid back 1000. Yes $3,800 gone. Now IF this was the only division & some was taken for the vegas trip etc I could see it somewhat but it is not. The LO has over 250+ teams state wide & send 3 teams in 8ball & 2 in 9ball annually to Vegas. The $3800 was taken from the small 8 team division. Nice huh.
 
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