Get a NEW BLACK BOAR...around $6,000
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any haley, showman, or searing you buy for 6k is going to have points, rings, some inlays, maybe an ivory joint and will play every bit as well as a black boar. those cuemakers have put a great amount of time as well as black boar into engineering their cues.
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I think that what most people fail to understand is that the person that buys the cue for 6 k really doesn't care what you I or anyone else thinks.
Spending 6k to them is probably like you and I spending $6 on a Big Mac. Don't even think twice about it. They just want what they want.
They might not even care what kind of value it has down the road . They will probably let their 12 year old use it as a sword when they see the next great cue that they just have to have.
Money only matters to people who only have a little . When you get to a certain level you just don't think that much about it anymore.
Matt, still trying to get to that level.........
Spending 6k to them is probably like you and I spending $6 on a Big Mac. Don't even think twice about it. They just want what they want.
They might not even care what kind of value it has down the road . They will probably let their 12 year old use it as a sword when they see the next great cue that they just have to have.
Money only matters to people who only have a little . When you get to a certain level you just don't think that much about it anymore.
Matt, still trying to get to that level.........
i've seen it quite a bit on secondary market cues by those makers . . . but never on the price direct from the maker.
don't get me wrong though . . . would much rather see the market hot cuemaker getting the extra, than a broker just flipping.
think all the top makers would have a tough time selling a plain 'ole player for 6k in this economy.
this is not a thread started by the seller of the cues, so talk of value shouldnt be a problem.
all talk about the way bb's played has been positive.
you put in your thoughts . . . and YOU even stated you werent gonna purchase one! i think that's the worst bashing i've seen on the entire thread! :groucho:
Great post Matt.........:smile:
I have played with a few of these, and I must say they play good. However a Scruggs and quite a few others play just as good, and some better, and I still would have 3 to 4K in my pocket 
I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that if he makes one batch of these and there are 5 or 6 of them in it, there will be some collector 15 years from now saying "Damn.....I remember when I could of got that cue for $6K."
I see both sides of the argument here but after visiting Tony's shop and speaking with him as well as hitting with his new cues I am a believer that there is something special going on there. I asked Tony: "These cues play great but I have to ask, if it costs $20K to own one what is the point ? No one can play with them." He then told me about wanting to make some lower end player cues that serious guys who wanted one might be able to afford. The problem he said was that he couldnt get enough good wood. Looks like he has managed to find the materials and time to make it happen. I think a $3000-$3500 price point would have gained better press but then I am also pretty sure Tony could give a sh!t less what people think of his pricing
If you think $6K is ridiculous for a player then these are not for you. I doubt they will lay around Tony's shop too long though. So far BB has managed to almost transcend the market with their prices for various reasons. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Even in a terrible economy the ultra high end of any market always seems to survive.
I see both sides of the argument here but after visiting Tony's shop and speaking with him as well as hitting with his new cues I am a believer that there is something special going on there. I asked Tony: "These cues play great but I have to ask, if it costs $20K to own one what is the point ? No one can play with them." He then told me about wanting to make some lower end player cues that serious guys who wanted one might be able to afford. The problem he said was that he couldnt get enough good wood. Looks like he has managed to find the materials and time to make it happen. I think a $3000-$3500 price point would have gained better press but then I am also pretty sure Tony could give a sh!t less what people think of his pricing
If you think $6K is ridiculous for a player then these are not for you. I doubt they will lay around Tony's shop too long though. So far BB has managed to almost transcend the market with their prices for various reasons. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Even in a terrible economy the ultra high end of any market always seems to survive.
Hmm...I've known about Black Boar cues since around the year 2000.
A lot of locals played with them here in the METRO/DC area.
They look really good and of course the attention to detail is good. This was back when ever the fancy ones were affordable (comparitively speaking).
I've hit with many of them and they play good. The shafts are excellent. As far as good players using them.....well...there is a Kevin West (I think that is his last name) who has one and he plays real good. There is a guy named Doug (I think he's on Tony's website) who has one and plays good.
There is a good female player who has used Black Boars for years. In fact, she has two of them. A plain 8 point, and a super fancy one she got for free from Tony for winning a tourney. Both of which I doubt will ever leave her possession. She does use a Predator shaft (always has) on her Boar :O
I think if he can get $6K for him them he deserves it. Would I pay it? If I had $6K in spare funds - yes - I would.
A lot of locals played with them here in the METRO/DC area.
They look really good and of course the attention to detail is good. This was back when ever the fancy ones were affordable (comparitively speaking).
I've hit with many of them and they play good. The shafts are excellent. As far as good players using them.....well...there is a Kevin West (I think that is his last name) who has one and he plays real good. There is a guy named Doug (I think he's on Tony's website) who has one and plays good.
There is a good female player who has used Black Boars for years. In fact, she has two of them. A plain 8 point, and a super fancy one she got for free from Tony for winning a tourney. Both of which I doubt will ever leave her possession. She does use a Predator shaft (always has) on her Boar :O
I think if he can get $6K for him them he deserves it. Would I pay it? If I had $6K in spare funds - yes - I would.
thought that went w/o stating, given the price.. . . I am also pretty sure Tony could give a sh!t less what people think of his pricing
. . . i'm sure they'll sell like hotcakes!!
heck, they're probably already gone!
resale will probably double every few years making them not only a great player, but also a fantastic investment! :groucho:
surprised the OP left any on the table . . .
Chris, thanks for the help here.....I just happened to be at the shop and saw these cues. I also had a chance to play with one.
I was only trying to let everyone know they were available, so if you were interested you would have a shot at one of them. I had no intention of stirring up a contoversy about prices and who makes a better playing cue for cheaper.
Steve
ding ding ding!!!!!
Finally the right answere, what makes BB's worth the $$ is the engeneering, NOT the looks, Tony makes them look good to sell them, he says "I want to be known for the science and engeneering in my work, not the artistic part of cue building" or something like that, I spoke to him yesterday, he put alot of time into making these cues play how he wanted them to play, differnt joint weight(S) materials, wood, etc.
as far as the price goes, I never put a price on another mans work, nor do I let someone put a price on mine. <-----think about that, most people trade hours for dollars. to me that isnt living thats slavery. tony who is making these cues lives his life according to his rules, can you think of a better way to live? I cant. my life my rules
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I was at Tonys shop yesterday and he had around 5-6 playing cues almost finished. If you have ever wanted a BB to play with ..heres your shot. I played with one for about 4 hours yesterday and it was incredible.
Call him quick, they arent going to be around long...heres a pic of me and Tony with one of them
Steve
No offense but $6K??? Sir, put the crack pipe down and step away from the cue. Please sir, we don't want anyone to get hurt here........
I'll bet Tony is laughing all the way to the bank!!!
dong dong dong!
yeah ya do . . . every time you pay for it!
yeah, you're right . . . not like he's just siphoning bucks from other peoples bank accounts, unbeknownst to them, and offering nothin' much of value in return!
well . . . at least with the advice of counsel :groucho:
Black Boar...
I'm curious what the cue will look like when Tony will have inlayed it and finished it with a nice coat of paint and a nice leather wrap...
I've seen so many flawless and extremely beautiful cues from Tony's that I expect this larva to turn into a breathtaking butterfly with a little time...
Please do post pics of finished cue for comparaison...
Thanks,
Tom Penrose
I was at Tonys shop yesterday and he had around 5-6 playing cues almost finished. If you have ever wanted a BB to play with ..heres your shot. I played with one for about 4 hours yesterday and it was incredible.
Call him quick, they arent going to be around long...heres a pic of me and Tony with one of them
Steve
I'm curious what the cue will look like when Tony will have inlayed it and finished it with a nice coat of paint and a nice leather wrap...
I've seen so many flawless and extremely beautiful cues from Tony's that I expect this larva to turn into a breathtaking butterfly with a little time...
Please do post pics of finished cue for comparaison...
Thanks,
Tom Penrose
thought that went w/o stating, given the price.
. . . i'm sure they'll sell like hotcakes!!
heck, they're probably already gone!
resale will probably double every few years making them not only a great player, but also a fantastic investment! :groucho:
surprised the OP left any on the table . . .
Rest assured if the OP wants one or all of them he would have them. Just like a few other guys here could do if they were so inclined.
I went to dinner at the Wynn tonight and afterwords walked around and looked at some of the high end shops. Saw some $695 Louis Vutton sneakers. Like Converse but $695. Next to some luggage that cost more than a car. Then I strolled into the Rolex store. At the high end of any market the people who buy could care less what someone else's opinion of value is.
Just because I think $91,000 for a diamond encrusted Rolex or $695 for a pair of $15 kicks is ludicrous makes absolutely no difference to the guy who has one of each for every day of the week. Just like he would think I was nuts for spending a couple or three dimes on a pool stick. Who cares?
no offense, but that's an awful analogy!
no high zoot steve wynn retail space involved . . . or gemstones . . .
but thank you for letting me know how high end buyers think.
. . . and that the OP can come up with 36k.
just wish i could scrape together 6k, so i could get me one! :thumbup2:
well I dont know about all this so called magical engineering . I see a lot of cue makers doing conversions of full splice butts , IMHO the best hitting cues, I have yet to see a pool cue of any design make a player marketably better . what your paying for is artistry more than engineering
I don't see how someone who doesn't know crap about these cues can wind up calling someone else a "dufus". Sorry, but you use words like those and they always seem to turn back on thyself.
My comments. First, if you've never met Tony or been to his shop, you're just lobbing bombs from left field. Just like that coach said from NO said, "you just don't know....and you never will....". Judgement can vary on this topic, but at least speak from a position of strength, rather than a lack of knowledge. That's what we get from Congress and I'm certain we all deserve better than that!
Second, right or wrong, this idiotic world is ruled by the idea that if you can get a price, you get it. That's the free market ruling, which in the short run, can be influenced by the impact of the fundamentals of which may be questionable. At the end of it, these cues probably make his year, allow him to drink better vokda and buy some new machinery. Is there that much difference between these and a searing ? Knowing his investment in machinery, can you really blame him for asking for this price if someone is going to pay it ???
Finally, in the day of the low deflection cue, you simply don't buy these or any other custom cue for performance. You buy them because you like the workmanship or the design or perhaps the balance or some other factor. Probably most important is that you'll always be able to sell such a cue for near the money you invested. But as for playabliity, I'll stick a $200 cue in the hands of any good road player and have him/her beating most of the posters here with a cue of their choice, regardless of price.
So, if you don't know Tony and you don't have $6000 to buy one of his cues, but practice diligently and have a $200 cue with an LD shaft, why in the world would you care what price he got for a plain jane ???? If I wanted to spend the cash, I would probably buy it because I could tell my wife that BECAUSE it was a plain jane, I didn't spend that much! See, my dear, its only a plain jane!! And like the esteemed poster said earlier, it would only be a drop in the bucket anyway.
tim
My comments. First, if you've never met Tony or been to his shop, you're just lobbing bombs from left field. Just like that coach said from NO said, "you just don't know....and you never will....". Judgement can vary on this topic, but at least speak from a position of strength, rather than a lack of knowledge. That's what we get from Congress and I'm certain we all deserve better than that!
Second, right or wrong, this idiotic world is ruled by the idea that if you can get a price, you get it. That's the free market ruling, which in the short run, can be influenced by the impact of the fundamentals of which may be questionable. At the end of it, these cues probably make his year, allow him to drink better vokda and buy some new machinery. Is there that much difference between these and a searing ? Knowing his investment in machinery, can you really blame him for asking for this price if someone is going to pay it ???
Finally, in the day of the low deflection cue, you simply don't buy these or any other custom cue for performance. You buy them because you like the workmanship or the design or perhaps the balance or some other factor. Probably most important is that you'll always be able to sell such a cue for near the money you invested. But as for playabliity, I'll stick a $200 cue in the hands of any good road player and have him/her beating most of the posters here with a cue of their choice, regardless of price.
So, if you don't know Tony and you don't have $6000 to buy one of his cues, but practice diligently and have a $200 cue with an LD shaft, why in the world would you care what price he got for a plain jane ???? If I wanted to spend the cash, I would probably buy it because I could tell my wife that BECAUSE it was a plain jane, I didn't spend that much! See, my dear, its only a plain jane!! And like the esteemed poster said earlier, it would only be a drop in the bucket anyway.
tim
oohhh . . . i see!
you gotta git permission from the wife to spend the bucks!
given that's the case . . . good idea! :thumbup2: