Galvaston World Classic inks video deal

[JCIN]

sorry this is pretty arrogant. AZB members love the game, thats for sure, but on the other hand i see some many well known well placed folks in the pool room come on here and say just wait something is in the works, and there never is. those "doing things for pool" are most likely doing things for themselves (making $$$). if the promoters pull off a great event, without the dubious help/advice of the mighty AZ Billiard,-players come, players get paid, fans have a great experience-there are going to be an awful lot of posters on this forum who will need to eat crow. i personally hope this even is a huge success and kudo's to the promoters for trying.

brian

IMO you really do underestimate the ability this place to help things happen in the United States. Why would anyone who is investing the sums of money these guys are neglect the single easiest way of contacting and sharing information in the pool world?

Because someone might say something they dont like? If they are that thin skinned they are gonna be hating life if they get four or five hundred amateur teams and a room full of pros in one place. Every single promoter and organizer on earth has somebody somewhere pissed off at them over something. I think it makes more sense to communicate about the issues than just act like they are not there.

As far as the membership of this site just look at the list. Merchants, organizers, league operators, top players, cuemakers, industry big wigs and most important fans and everyday players who make or break any event get information here that they then spread around rooms all over. If you have ever heard someone in a pool room say "I saw it on the internet" chances are real good it was AZ. With regards to eating crow I have said from the beginning I hope they all get rich. Players, promoters, amateurs and pros. It just gets old asking the same questions and being told "Shut up and trust me." That just doesn't work for me anymore. I don't expect them to be in here answering every question in every post. But ten minutes every couple days spent searching the word "Galveston" and a few well placed replies would make a world of difference.

I am part of a business that is minuscule in comparison to the investment they have in this event and you better believe I pay attention to what our target market and customers have to say about what is going on. If they don't want to come here or anywhere else and answer the questions put to them that is fine with me and no skin off my back. They are the ones who have to overcome the barrier of being new and unknown. I had to do it and still do it everyday on a small scale, it just blows my mind to try and do it on a large scale with both hands tied behind your back.

But as I said above it really doesnt matter what anyone here thinks if they are willing to pay the money.

It always cracks me up when people take a shot at someone trying to make something happen in pool for trying to make money at it. You show me someone without at least a plan to make money on a project and I will show you something that is going to fail or get forgotten the first time someone gets bored or discouraged. If you look at the biggest and most successful things in pool they are all for profit. Accu-Stats and pool leagues being two of the most influential in my lifetime. Talent will work for awhile on passion alone but for it to last there has to be some measure of financial compensation.

 

[frankncali]

I really have not see too many naysayers anywhere in any thread. What I have seen are hopeful but cautious pool players voicing logical questions and skepticism.
The event can and hopefully will be a success without the AZ community being involved. I just know if makes NO sense not to use the largest pool audience anywhere day in and day out.

Hey Joey...

Been forgetting to ask... not lon ago someone posted the Red and Harahan Eddie were playing. Who took it down?
I was talking about New Orleans and my time working offshore with a fellw today at a dog show. Turns out we spent time on the same rigs and roughly the same time. He was a Slidell native.

 

[pocketspeed]

IMO you really do underestimate the ability this place to help things happen in the United States. Why would anyone who is investing the sums of money these guys are neglect the single easiest way of contacting and sharing information in the pool world?

Because someone might say something they dont like? If they are that thin skinned they are gonna be hating life if they get four or five hundred amateur teams and a room full of pros in one place. Every single promoter and organizer on earth has somebody somewhere pissed off at them over something. I think it makes more sense to communicate about the issues than just act like they are not there.

As far as the membership of this site just look at the list. Merchants, organizers, league operators, top players, cuemakers, industry big wigs and most important fans and everyday players who make or break any event get information here that they then spread around rooms all over. If you have ever heard someone in a pool room say "I saw it on the internet" chances are real good it was AZ. With regards to eating crow I have said from the beginning I hope they all get rich. Players, promoters, amateurs and pros. It just gets old asking the same questions and being told "Shut up and trust me." That just doesn't work for me anymore. I don't expect them to be in here answering every question in every post. But ten minutes every couple days spent searching the word "Galveston" and a few well placed replies would make a world of difference.

I am part of a business that is minuscule in comparison to the investment they have in this event and you better believe I pay attention to what our target market and customers have to say about what is going on. If they don't want to come here or anywhere else and answer the questions put to them that is fine with me and no skin off my back. They are the ones who have to overcome the barrier of being new and unknown. I had to do it and still do it everyday on a small scale, it just blows my mind to try and do it on a large scale with both hands tied behind your back.

But as I said above it really doesnt matter what anyone here thinks if they are willing to pay the money.

It always cracks me up when people take a shot at someone trying to make something happen in pool for trying to make money at it. You show me someone without at least a plan to make money on a project and I will show you something that is going to fail or get forgotten the first time someone gets bored or discouraged. If you look at the biggest and most successful things in pool they are all for profit. Accu-Stats and pool leagues being two of the most influential in my lifetime. Talent will work for awhile on passion alone but for it to last there has to be some measure of financial compensation.

JCIN i totally respect what guys have done and am glad that someone is able to eek out a living in the pool industry and my comments werent directly at you, but rather at the tone of almost all these galveston threads. "oh they havent consulted AZ Billiards, whats wrong with them".

i have to disagree with you. i think you are overestimating the "the ability of this place to make things happen". if you go into random poolrooms across america and ask folks i bet most of them dont even know what AZ is (hey they cant even name the stars in our sport). i dont blame the promoters for not participating in this forum. no matter what they bring to the table they are going to get ripped here. it would just be a waste of their time to have to deal with things here.

yes there are unanswered questions (important questions) so either support the event or dont. go or dont. play or not. but dont bust the promoters just b/c they have decided to not to be involved in AZ for this event.

again i hope that this is a very successful event. i wish i was in a position to go...

brian

 

[JCIN]

JCIN i totally respect what guys have done and am glad that someone is able to eek out a living in the pool industry and my comments werent directly at you, but rather at the tone of almost all these galveston threads. "oh they havent consulted AZ Billiards, whats wrong with them".

i have to disagree with you. i think you are overestimating the "the ability of this place to make things happen". if you go into random poolrooms across america and ask folks i bet most of them dont even know what AZ is (hey they cant even name the stars in our sport). i dont blame the promoters for not participating in this forum. no matter what they bring to the table they are going to get ripped here. it would just be a waste of their time to have to deal with things here.

yes there are unanswered questions (important questions) so either support the event or dont. go or dont. play or not. but dont bust the promoters just b/c they have decided to not to be involved in AZ for this event.

again i hope that this is a very successful event. i wish i was in a position to go...

brian

Even the promoters who are not active here usually at least make an effort to reach out with some form of communication when something is coming up. Allen Hopkins Jr. posts when the Expo or something else is going on, Mark Griffin and Bill Stock of the BCAPL answer questions when something gets stirred up, Charlie Williams posts what are basically press releases and then never answers any questions but at least people can see what is going on. This place like it or not IS their target market.

I guess I just disagree that it is better to leave people in the dark than to have to wade through some silly or uninformed posts in order to spread the word. Nothing would make me happier than to sweat a great stream from a packed event come Sept. 11 and see players get a big payday at the end. The fact that I feel information could be disseminated better doesn't change that.

The promoters have some good ideas and have done much to get the event to this point and deserve credit for their efforts. The fact is time is getting short and many I have spoke with are reaching the point of fish or cut bait regarding waiting for information to make plans. Not the pro's....they are coming according to all I have talked to. It is the amateur and "dead money" (for lack of a better term and one I consider myself a part of) guys who enter with no expectation of getting that big first place check who will make or break this thing as mentioned numerous times here.

I agree that most people dont know about AZ. But that kind of proves my point. If someone who follows pool everyday on the internet can not get the info they need to commit to something how is Joe Blow in the pool room ever going to hope to get it? It's not like the info is out there somewhere and people have their panties in a bunch because it wasn't presented here on a silver platter with a thank you note. If it was out there it would find its way here. The fact that it hasn't just reinforces that all of those people who don't know about AZ have no hope of finding out about Galveston or anything to do with it.

I think TAR is as active as anybody here (too much so according to some) and every week I meet people in the local rooms who have no earthly idea what it is. I have no illusions about AZ being the end all be all but it is the best thing going for getting info to people.

 

[jay helfert]

JCIN i totally respect what guys have done and am glad that someone is able to eek out a living in the pool industry and my comments werent directly at you, but rather at the tone of almost all these galveston threads. "oh they havent consulted AZ Billiards, whats wrong with them".

i have to disagree with you. i think you are overestimating the "the ability of this place to make things happen". if you go into random poolrooms across america and ask folks i bet most of them dont even know what AZ is (hey they cant even name the stars in our sport). i dont blame the promoters for not participating in this forum. no matter what they bring to the table they are going to get ripped here. it would just be a waste of their time to have to deal with things here.

yes there are unanswered questions (important questions) so either support the event or dont. go or dont. play or not. but dont bust the promoters just b/c they have decided to not to be involved in AZ for this event.

again i hope that this is a very successful event. i wish i was in a position to go...

brian

Brian, you are missing the point here COMPLETELY! If you walked into random pool rooms and asked how many people planned to play in the Galveston World Classic they would look at you like you're crazy.

The point Justin was making is that if you are planning a professional pool tournament, you can reach MANY players who might support such an event thru AZ Billiards. That is a valid point. And one I made myself some time back on another thread about this upcoming event.

 

[pocketspeed]

Brian, you are missing the point here COMPLETELY! If you walked into random pool rooms and asked how many people planned to play in the Galveston World Classic they would look at you like you're crazy.

The point Justin was making is that if you are planning a professional pool tournament, you can reach MANY players who might support such an event thru AZ Billiards. That is a valid point. And one I made myself some time back on another thread about this upcoming event.

i get that point jay. however if you walked into random pool rooms and asked how many were attending any other tourament-say turningstone, which is coming up and gets a fair amount of attention here an AZB you would likely get the same response b/c, and this is just my opinion, but most folks at the poolhall dont know about AZ and really dont follow the sport seriously. the only way that anyone at the room i shoot at heard about galveston is b/c of my son and i who heard via word of mouth from hillbilly at turningstone in february. and at this point even w/o participation from the promoters dont you think there has been plenty of publicity here? (granting not all important questions have been answered). i just dont think the reward to the promoters is worth the hassle they would have to go thru here.

brian

 

[jay helfert]

i get that point jay. however if you walked into random pool rooms and asked how many were attending any other tourament-say turningstone, which is coming up and gets a fair amount of attention here an AZB you would likely get the same response b/c, and this is just my opinion, but most folks at the poolhall dont know about AZ and really dont follow the sport seriously. the only way that anyone at the room i shoot at heard about galveston is b/c of my son and i who heard via word of mouth from hillbilly at turningstone in february. and at this point even w/o participation from the promoters dont you think there has been plenty of publicity here? (granting not all important questions have been answered). i just dont think the reward to the promoters is worth the hassle they would have to go thru here.

brian

What hassle is that Brian? I don't see that they've done anything on here except post Ads about their event. All the publicity has been generated by my fellow AZ'ers who are asking questions about the tournament.

You still don't get the point Justin and I have been trying to make. Your poolroom analogy has a few fatal flaws. The locals who hang out in your poolroom are not the potential customers for a pro event in Galveston, Texas. But the readers who hang out on AZ are. Do you get it now?

 

[Bigtruck]

i get that point jay. however if you walked into random pool rooms and asked how many were attending any other tourament-say turningstone, which is coming up and gets a fair amount of attention here an AZB you would likely get the same response b/c, and this is just my opinion, but most folks at the poolhall dont know about AZ and really dont follow the sport seriously. the only way that anyone at the room i shoot at heard about galveston is b/c of my son and i who heard via word of mouth from hillbilly at turningstone in february. and at this point even w/o participation from the promoters dont you think there has been plenty of publicity here? (granting not all important questions have been answered). i just dont think the reward to the promoters is worth the hassle they would have to go thru here.

brian

I guess it just depends on what area you are in. I'm in Texas and if you walk into any poolroom around here, ALL the players know about AZ Billiards. Few know about the World Classic. I have been running a monthly event for going on 4 yrs. I have NEVER printed one flyer! I only advertise here and word of mouth.

AZ is THE best way to get info out around here!

Ray

 

[JoeyA]

JCIN i totally respect what guys have done and am glad that someone is able to eek out a living in the pool industry and my comments werent directly at you, but rather at the tone of almost all these galveston threads. "oh they havent consulted AZ Billiards, whats wrong with them".

i have to disagree with you. i think you are overestimating the "the ability of this place to make things happen". if you go into random poolrooms across america and ask folks i bet most of them dont even know what AZ is (hey they cant even name the stars in our sport). i dont blame the promoters for not participating in this forum. no matter what they bring to the table they are going to get ripped here. it would just be a waste of their time to have to deal with things here.

yes there are unanswered questions (important questions) so either support the event or dont. go or dont. play or not. but dont bust the promoters just b/c they have decided to not to be involved in AZ for this event.

again i hope that this is a very successful event. i wish i was in a position to go...

brian

Brian,
I think you have captured my perspective of this thread quite well and of course I think you are "spot on".
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JCIN, your post explains some of your displeasure with this event. Thanks for explaining. I know you didn't have to but it is appreciated. However, instead of saying that you can't wait for this event to be over, just tell the well intentioned questioners to go to the web site and leave comments or telephone the promoters at the numbers listed on the website at www.theworldclassic.com.

Have you left any comments there?

As to whether Efren is coming or not, I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY THAT HE WILL BE THERE AND SO WILL BUSTAMANTE. One of us is getting bad information. ------------------------------------------------------

There is no doubt that AZBilliards has lots of fine members who know lots of people and communicating with them might be a way to get the word out to some of them but I am sure that the magazine advertisements are far more effective than word of mouth.

Like Brian said, I think AZBilliards Main Forum while valuable to the pool community, it often overstates its importance to the pool world. It is just an Internet Forum for pool junkies to hang out and talk about pool with a little flaming thrown in for good measure.

If we can turn the main forum into a body which has some clout in the pool world, like the WPA, then maybe at night we can shout from our rooftops, "AZ BILLIARDS KNOWS PEOPLE AND STUFF AND CAN HELP YOU PASS THE INFORMATION ON TO PEOPLE AND HELP YOU GET STUFF. Some members of AZ Billiards already make major contributions to the pool world but they don't do it as AZ Billiards Main Forum.

Brian, not to be redundant, but I think you got it right.


If you aren't going, just don't go. Why attempt to ruin the moment for other people who are happy to be going?

I've heard that Moody Gardens is worth the trip by itself. In fact, we have a couple of people from New Orleans who are going just to take their families to see the MANY DIFFERENT types of entertainment at the Moody Gardens. Check out www.moodygardens.com I'm sure those people will be putting in a little time at the tourament while their family are going to the IMAX 3D Theater, the 4D THEATER, THE PYRAMID RAIN FOREST or maybe chatting with the Penguins at the PYRAMID AQUARIUM. Don't waste your time playing on the brand new golf course, just play in the pool tournament. :smile:

I can't wait to see this place.
JoeyA

 

[sixpack]

i get that point jay. however if you walked into random pool rooms and asked how many were attending any other tourament-say turningstone, which is coming up and gets a fair amount of attention here an AZB you would likely get the same response b/c, and this is just my opinion, but most folks at the poolhall dont know about AZ and really dont follow the sport seriously. the only way that anyone at the room i shoot at heard about galveston is b/c of my son and i who heard via word of mouth from hillbilly at turningstone in february. and at this point even w/o participation from the promoters dont you think there has been plenty of publicity here? (granting not all important questions have been answered). i just dont think the reward to the promoters is worth the hassle they would have to go thru here.

brian

I think there are a lot of folks in every pool hall who read Azb but won't admit it. When I am on the road I keep up with Azb on my iPhone. It never fails if I stop in a pool hall I'll hear echoes of
Stories, news or threads that are current on Azb. Yet players are reluctant to admit that's where they got their info.

One funny story. I was gambling with a guy in Bakersfield and I asked him if he was on Azb. He said he never heard of it and doesn't get on the Internet much. After we played for a while we start talking about local players so I ask him if he knows Jay Helfert. He thinks for a minute and says 'I know that name...' then a light goes on and he says "he's the guy who's always posting on the Internet!"

So, even if they won't admit it, a lot more people read Azb than youight realize.

~rc

 

[jay helfert]

I think there are a lot of folks in every pool hall who read Azb but won't admit it. When I am on the road I keep up with Azb on my iPhone. It never fails if I stop in a pool hall I'll hear echoes of
Stories, news or threads that are current on Azb. Yet players are reluctant to admit that's where they got their info.

One funny story. I was gambling with a guy in Bakersfield and I asked him if he was on Azb. He said he never heard of it and doesn't get on the Internet much. After we played for a while we start talking about local players so I ask him if he knows Jay Helfert. He thinks for a minute and says 'I know that name...' then a light goes on and he says "he's the guy who's always posting on the Internet!"

So, even if they won't admit it, a lot more people read Azb than youight realize.

~rc

Ask him if he knows that I used to own a poolroom in Bakersfield? The Cue Ball Recreation at 19th and Chester downtown. It was there from 1963 to 1982. I was the second owner during the 1970's.

 

["T"]

Like Brian said, I think AZBilliards Main Forum while valuable to the pool community, it often overstates its importance to the pool world. It is just an Internet Forum for pool junkies to hang out and talk about pool with a little flaming thrown in for good measure.

Please tell me someone hacked into your account and wrote this because I have to believe that you don't personally feel this way!

 

[sixpack]

Ask him if he knows that I used to own a poolroom in Bakersfield? The Cue Ball Recreation at 19th and Chester downtown. It was there from 1963 to 1982. I was the second owner during the 1970's.

Yes. I remembered you saying that. That's why I asked him if he knew you. I won't ever see him again though. I was practicing and the bartender called him in to play me. I beat him and he said I was lucky that the good players were in la for a tournament. LOL!

~rc

 

[lfigueroa]

JCIN i totally respect what guys have done and am glad that someone is able to eek out a living in the pool industry and my comments werent directly at you, but rather at the tone of almost all these galveston threads. "oh they havent consulted AZ Billiards, whats wrong with them".

i have to disagree with you. i think you are overestimating the "the ability of this place to make things happen". if you go into random poolrooms across america and ask folks i bet most of them dont even know what AZ is (hey they cant even name the stars in our sport). i dont blame the promoters for not participating in this forum. no matter what they bring to the table they are going to get ripped here. it would just be a waste of their time to have to deal with things here.

yes there are unanswered questions (important questions) so either support the event or dont. go or dont. play or not. but dont bust the promoters just b/c they have decided to not to be involved in AZ for this event.

again i hope that this is a very successful event. i wish i was in a position to go...

brian

You are really misunderstanding the basic bone of contention here. It's not about ""consulting" or "involving" AZ, it's about communicating with their target audience: pool players. IOW, just passing on some basic info. They don't have to ask any one's opinion about anything (though that wouldn't be too dumb). They should just be "using" the forum to pass along information to pool players who want to support their event, but have a couple or three questions about it before investing their time and money.

If you go into almost any pool room (and I get a chance to visit my fair share all over the country) many, if not most, players are not plugged in to what's going on concerning pool on the Internet. But that doesn't mean forums like AZ don't have an huge impact, because guess what: everyone seems to know who is plugged in. And it is those people that spread the word -- good and bad -- about upcoming events they've heard about ("I hear it's going to be the next DCC"), or those that have just happen ("I heard no one showed up; the players didn't get paid; and the promoter took a bath"). And from there, that word gets spread around the pool room, so that in 24 hours, everyone knows. Soooo, that flow of information is basically controlled by a few people. Guess who? That's right: the people right here reading this.

It's Communication 101. Some people are good at it and use the communication avenues available to them for maximum favorable impact and benefit to their cause. And others... well, you can figure that one out on your own

Lou Figueroa

 

[JoeyA]

It's not about ""consulting" or "involving" AZ, it's about communicating with their target audience: pool players. IOW, just passing on some basic info. They don't have to ask anyone's opinion about anything (though that wouldn't be too dumb). They should just be "using" the forum to pass along information to pool players who want to support their event, but have a couple or three questions about it before investing their time and money.

If you go into almost any pool room (and I get a chance to visit my fair share all over the country) many, if not most, players are not plugged in to what's going on concerning pool on the Internet. But that doesn't mean forums like AZ don't have an huge impact, because guess what: everyone seems to know who is plugged in. And it is those people that spread the word -- good and bad -- about upcoming events they've heard about ("I hear it's going to be the next DCC"), or those that have just happen ("I heard no one showed up; the players didn't get paid; and the promoter took a bath"). And from there, that word gets spread around the pool room, so that in 24 hours, everyone knows. Soooo, that flow of information is basically controlled by a few people. Guess who? That's right: the people right here reading this.

It's Communication 101. Some people are good at it and use the communication avenues available to them for maximum favorable impact and benefit to their cause. And others... well, you can figure that one out on your own

Lou Figueroa

Lou,
As usual you bring up good points.
Perhaps the promoters made a mistake by not utilizing AZ Billiards as a resource or maybe they are, just not the way that some of us would like them to. But that doesn't give the posters the right to use demagougery to discourage others from appreciating and going to this event.

Asking questions is not demagougery but insinuations of failure, insinuations of not being paid, insinuations of tournament not being held, insinuations of tournament being a miserable one, insinuations of lack of financial capabilities, insinuations ad nauseum ARE.

It is not the questions but the additional angst and disdain that appears in many of the posts that I have a problem with.

The tongue in cheek "I hope this tournament is successful" comments are a joke, when they are combined with the negativity that has permeated this thread, imo.

You are contemplating going to this tournament.

Have you taken the time to telephone any of the promoters to ask them about your concerns?

Have you left comments on their website?

Thanks,
JoeyA

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou,
As usual you bring up good points.
Perhaps the promoters made a mistake by not utilizing AZ Billiards as a resource or maybe they are, just not the way that some of us would like them to. But that doesn't give the posters the right to use demagougery to discourage others from appreciating and going to this event.

Asking questions is not demagougery but insinuations of failure, insinuations of not being paid, insinuations of tournament not being held, insinuations of tournament being a miserable one, insinuations of lack of financial capabilities, insinuations ad nauseum ARE.

It is not the questions but the additional angst and disdain that appears in many of the posts that I have a problem with.

The tongue in cheek "I hope this tournament is successful" comments are a joke, when they are combined with the negativity that has permeated this thread, imo.

You are contemplating going to this tournament.

Have you taken the time to telephone any of the promoters to ask them about your concerns?

Have you left comments on their website?

Thanks,
JoeyA

I just don't see all the negativism (and demagoguery?!) here that you do, Joey. Frankly, I don't even see all the "insinuations" you do either. What I do see are people voicing their opinions, asking questions (that go unanswered) and citing past history of other, sometimes similar, sometimes not, events.

Really, what's happening is classic and you could probably do a case study on it: in the absence of the promoters filling the media channels with their message and their talking points and controlling the discussion, the communication vacuum gets filled up anyway, probably with a lot of stuff they would rather not hear. But that's just what happens when you don't participate in the discussion

Lou Figueroa
use to teach
a class on this
all over the country

 

[pocketspeed]

You are really misunderstanding the basic bone of contention here. It's not about ""consulting" or "involving" AZ, it's about communicating with their target audience: pool players. IOW, just passing on some basic info. They don't have to ask any one's opinion about anything (though that wouldn't be too dumb). They should just be "using" the forum to pass along information to pool players who want to support their event, but have a couple or three questions about it before investing their time and money.

If you go into almost any pool room (and I get a chance to visit my fair share all over the country) many, if not most, players are not plugged in to what's going on concerning pool on the Internet. But that doesn't mean forums like AZ don't have an huge impact, because guess what: everyone seems to know who is plugged in. And it is those people that spread the word -- good and bad -- about upcoming events they've heard about ("I hear it's going to be the next DCC"), or those that have just happen ("I heard no one showed up; the players didn't get paid; and the promoter took a bath"). And from there, that word gets spread around the pool room, so that in 24 hours, everyone knows. Soooo, that flow of information is basically controlled by a few people. Guess who? That's right: the people right here reading this.

It's Communication 101. Some people are good at it and use the communication avenues available to them for maximum favorable impact and benefit to their cause. And others... well, you can figure that one out on your own

Lou Figueroa

respectfully lou i dont think i am missing the bone of contention here at all. i know that the promoters havent been as forthcoming with certain details as we would like them to be. ask your questions if you like. if the answers are not forthcoming, then do what you need to, but dont flame what could be a great event. i think some AZB'ers got a little ruffled b/c their input wasnt sought and horror of all horros the promoters arent on here to receive their just flaming b/c you know thats exactly what would happen.

theres an old saying that when you do what you've always done, you're gonna get what you always got.

these guys are putting up their money, putting in their time and effort and it should be their right to run things the way they want. hopefully they'll get a good result.

brian

 

[JoeyA]

Are you ignoring my questions?

I just don't see all the negativism (and demagoguery?!) here that you do, Joey. Frankly, I don't even see all the "insinuations" you do either. What I do see are people voicing their opinions, asking questions (that go unanswered) and citing past history of other, sometimes similar, sometimes not, events.

Really, what's happening is classic and you could probably do a case study on it: in the absence of the promoters filling the media channels with their message and their talking points and controlling the discussion, the communication vacuum gets filled up anyway, probably with a lot of stuff they would rather not hear. But that's just what happens when you don't participate in the discussion

Lou Figueroa
use to teach
a class on this
all over the country

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SO.....................

Did you telephone the promoters?
Did you leave a comment on their website?

JoeyA (thinks Lou is avoiding my questions )

 

[lfigueroa]

respectfully lou i dont think i am missing the bone of contention here at all. i know that the promoters havent been as forthcoming with certain details as we would like them to be. ask your questions if you like. if the answers are not forthcoming, then do what you need to, but dont flame what could be a great event. i think some AZB'ers got a little ruffled b/c their input wasnt sought and horror of all horros the promoters arent on here to receive their just flaming b/c you know thats exactly what would happen.

theres an old saying that when you do what you've always done, you're gonna get what you always got.

these guys are putting up their money, putting in their time and effort and it should be their right to run things the way they want. hopefully they'll get a good result.

brian

Show me anywhere where I have "flamed" the event.

While you're looking, check out all the times I wished them well. And like I said: it's not about input and ruffled feathers. I think everyone wants this event to fly, because then it's win-win for the promoters and the players.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

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SO.....................

Did you telephone the promoters?
Did you leave a comment on their website?

JoeyA (thinks Lou is avoiding my questions )

Nope.

I've heard people on the internet say they don't respond there either

Lou Figueroa