Nope.
I've heard people on the internet say they don't respond there either
Lou Figueroa
I always thought that Spin Doctors don't listen to what other people say.
JoeyA (At least Lou's not ignoring my questions any longer) still :frown:
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I always thought that Spin Doctors don't listen to what other people say.
JoeyA (At least Lou's not ignoring my questions any longer) still :frown:
i didnt say you ever flamed the event lou. i was just responding to your post that apparently i had missed the bone of contention. from some of the posts here i am not sure that everyone wants this event to fly. i'm glad you do. these guys are actually doing something to advance pool unlike some here who say "just wait somethings in the works" and nothing ever is.
brian
Why does this surprise you? In the absence of any independently confirmable facts the only choice is to either hope for the best, assume the worst, or simply keep your head down until it all blows over and the facts are revealed over time.
I can't see any of these three positions as being more or less valid than the others at present. Therefore for people to continually criticize each because of which position they have taken is pointless. There's plenty of perfectly reasonable reasons to treat this production with the utmost cynicism. There are also plenty of reasons why boosters of Pool in the USA should be supporting it, after all we all know there's a dearth of money in the Pro game and anything that can improve that has to be a good thing, right?
Now me personally I'm hoping for a grand failure, followed by months of recriminations, investigative journalism, and bizarre public announcements as this makes for much better sarcasm fodder. That's just the way I ride ;-)
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I always thought that Spin Doctors don't listen to what other people say.
JoeyA (At least Lou's not ignoring my questions any longer) still :frown:
Joey, in the week since we've spoken, I have made up my mind about this event.
As you well know, people here communicate, not only on the forum, but also via phone, PM, email, and face-to-face (I'm not Twittering, just yet
So, since then, I have gained enough info to make, what I consider for me personally -- and in the light of squadoush from the promoters -- an informed decision.So, basically, you are *way* off base. But I'll let that play out on it's own.
I would tell you what my decision is -- and why -- but honestly, I don't want to go through all the BS charges of: negativism, discouragement, arrogance, over-importance, insinuations, demagoguery, and flaming (just to name a few).
Seems if you just ask what time the event is going off, the kool-aid drinking cheerleading crowd is more than ready to throw a hissy fit (you know who you are
So I'll just pass, sit back, and see how things shake out.Have a nice day
Lou Figueroa
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I agree 110%. I hope this is the greatest thing since Johnston City. It'd be great for pool.
Lou Figueroa
The Mirror
Lou,
I just grabbed a few of the comments from some of the threads and lopped them together. I left off the "constructive criticism" questions and comments. These were just a few that I thought were of a negative nature.
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I'll bet this tournament never comes to life. It would be nice if it did, but everything I've heard is negative.
They have grandiose plans for this event with many questions unanswered.
Isn't Galveston nothing but a pile of sand now? Would everyone just camp out on the beach? Are the tables going to be the outdoor kind?
With no more planning and promotion than we've seen so far, if it does come off, it is almost sure to be a disaster for someone.
The one constant I have heard is there is no added money.
Looks like they will be taking a bath if they hold the event.
I hope a lot of us are wrong here.
These are the type of conversations that concern me. All hype and no bite! Statements like this just turn me off, and speak AMATEUR!
The silence from the Diamond guys, (Greg and Mark) on this subject is deafening. Its almost as if they are taking a wait and see attitude also. Surely they have a monster contract for tables, don't they ?
These are dangerous times for anyone trying to make money in any endeavour related to pool.
If they get 20 paid vendors I think they will be doing well.
I am getting the opinion that the promoter have a bit of arrogance in them.
Sorry to be "cryptic" here, but my source has asked to remain confidential.
The next step will be whether they pay the upfront table contract costs, which are due pretty soon. I agree with Jay here.
However, that said, there have been many so-called 'events' like this, that didn't come off because of poor planning, no money, or any of a dozen other reasons.
I asked very pointed questions about the prize money and got somewhat curious answers, including that money was being taken out of the entry fees for various charities and other expenses. How much was unclear.
Regardless of my best intentions to not look like an ass, looking back, it appears I gave some positive judgement far too soon.....while I thought it would be a week, it has been almost two months....still too many unanswered questions....coupled with recent posts, the deposit check arriving late, concerns around actual numbers, and now an inability to keep ones word with regard to an online chat, I feel a bit misled....
I'm pissed and I'm out on principal....take pics and have fun....
(not that anybody cares, I am just venting ;0)
I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about it. Don't get me wrong -- it'd be great to have a big event that time of year. But it just doesn't add up for me.
Joey, KT has a lot of money too.
Clark seemed very appreciative when I gave him my contact info. He said he would be in touch with me soon. I have yet too hear from him. That speaks legends to me. Sorry to put a damper on things, but I'm a realist. I want to see how this one plays out first before I ante up my time and money.
Funny how nobody has ever heard of 'Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC', but their exclusive domain is producing pool and billiard events. IMO, just another slam at entities like TAR, that already exist, already have a track record, and already have an audience. These guys are gonna produce their event, their way (with no communication with, nor advice from, experts who have done this before), using their people...and experience be damned! Well, good luck fellas!
Nothing has been put in escrow. Escrow means it is in a bank account, and can be verified by independent people (ie. the players, or a players' representative). The promoters have SAID they are guaranteeing 1st place prize money for each event (that doesn't mean it's in escrow somewhere). That says nothing about the payout for the rest of the paid field...which apparently the promoters don't feel like they need to provide details for. There are certainly precedents already for promoters who said the money was guaranteed, but when push came to shove, it wasn't.
Best of luck to all the players, professional and amateur, who show up and play! :grin:
So, how about letting the rest of us in on who Hot Ticket Entertainment is. What was their "old" name? A quick google search on "Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC" only turns up the press release referred to by the OP. If they are, as you say, "experienced and highly competent" professionals with a track record of providing high quality production of billiard events, I would think several AZBers would know who they are.
Just asking...
The other reason we will not be going is that quite frankly these guys don't seem to know what in the hell they are doing.
Joey, FYI MANY people in the billiard business make good use of these forums and for good reason. Those that don't only handicap themselves and the events they are trying to promote.
I think everyone understands that its their right to shoot their own foot. We just wonder why someone would do so.
So these guys wouldn't answer a question if someone acknowledged they were from AZ? I missing something here? If this is true there is some serious arrogance going on down in Texas. News flash: This site and its members do more for pool than any bazillion dollar promise tournament.
I cant wait till this thing is over.
SO.....................
Did you telephone the promoters?
Did you leave a comment on their website?
Nope.
I've heard people on the internet say they don't respond there either
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OK, this is JoeyA, the last one was kind of week, but I had a little trouble cutting and pasting from that ruthless knocker. j/k. REALLY! It was thrown in because I ran out of negative stuff to copy and paste and just having fun with one of the posters.
I left off the names of the individuals who said these things on purpose. No need to get any more personal than I/we already have. This isn’t meant to criticize or single any one person out. The purpose was to answer Lou’s questions about not seeing any negativity in these threads about the Galveston Tournament.
If you don’t find these statements negative, then I just can’t discuss this with you.
It is my opinion and not the opinion of the promoters or anyone else that if I read these statements, I would get the impression that you were being negative. But maybe I’m the only one in the world that thinks these statements are negative.
I think that outsiders look at these type of comments and say, "WOW! Those AZBiliards guys don't cut anyone any slack. In fact, it looks like they should be the ones organizing and promoting pool tournaments. It's probably best for us to avoid this type of obvious pessimism and negativity".
Now, all of you, seriously, take a look at these statements collectively and tell me that you would want to interact with AZ Billiards Main Forum.
I think AZ Billiards main forum (myself included) could improve on how we encourage promoters to invest their money in pool tournaments.
Maybe, there are good reasons other than my perceived negativity that has prevented the promoters from contacting AZ Billiards Main Forum.
Maybe, some of the reasons will be forthcoming.
Maybe, some additional good news is on the way.
Stay tuned as the www.theworldclassic.com beaches at Galveston, TX.
JoeyA
I just don't see all the negativism (and demagoguery?!) here that you do, Joey. Frankly, I don't even see all the "insinuations" you do either. What I do see are people voicing their opinions, asking questions (that go unanswered) and citing past history of other, sometimes similar, sometimes not, events.
Really, what's happening is classic and you could probably do a case study on it: in the absence of the promoters filling the media channels with their message and their talking points and controlling the discussion, the communication vacuum gets filled up anyway, probably with a lot of stuff they would rather not hear. But that's just what happens when you don't participate in the discussion
Lou Figueroa
use to teach
a class on this
all over the country
Lou,
I just grabbed a few of the comments from some of the threads and lopped them together. I left off the "constructive criticism" questions and comments. These were just a few that I thought were of a negative nature.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
I'll bet this tournament never comes to life. It would be nice if it did, but everything I've heard is negative.
They have grandiose plans for this event with many questions unanswered.
Isn't Galveston nothing but a pile of sand now? Would everyone just camp out on the beach? Are the tables going to be the outdoor kind?
With no more planning and promotion than we've seen so far, if it does come off, it is almost sure to be a disaster for someone.
The one constant I have heard is there is no added money.
Looks like they will be taking a bath if they hold the event.
I hope a lot of us are wrong here.
These are the type of conversations that concern me. All hype and no bite! Statements like this just turn me off, and speak AMATEUR!
The silence from the Diamond guys, (Greg and Mark) on this subject is deafening. Its almost as if they are taking a wait and see attitude also. Surely they have a monster contract for tables, don't they ?
These are dangerous times for anyone trying to make money in any endeavour related to pool.
If they get 20 paid vendors I think they will be doing well.
I am getting the opinion that the promoter have a bit of arrogance in them.
Sorry to be "cryptic" here, but my source has asked to remain confidential.
The next step will be whether they pay the upfront table contract costs, which are due pretty soon. I agree with Jay here.
However, that said, there have been many so-called 'events' like this, that didn't come off because of poor planning, no money, or any of a dozen other reasons.
I asked very pointed questions about the prize money and got somewhat curious answers, including that money was being taken out of the entry fees for various charities and other expenses. How much was unclear.
Regardless of my best intentions to not look like an ass, looking back, it appears I gave some positive judgement far too soon.....while I thought it would be a week, it has been almost two months....still too many unanswered questions....coupled with recent posts, the deposit check arriving late, concerns around actual numbers, and now an inability to keep ones word with regard to an online chat, I feel a bit misled....
I'm pissed and I'm out on principal....take pics and have fun....
(not that anybody cares, I am just venting ;0)
I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about it. Don't get me wrong -- it'd be great to have a big event that time of year. But it just doesn't add up for me.
Joey, KT has a lot of money too.
Clark seemed very appreciative when I gave him my contact info. He said he would be in touch with me soon. I have yet too hear from him. That speaks legends to me. Sorry to put a damper on things, but I'm a realist. I want to see how this one plays out first before I ante up my time and money.
Funny how nobody has ever heard of 'Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC', but their exclusive domain is producing pool and billiard events. IMO, just another slam at entities like TAR, that already exist, already have a track record, and already have an audience. These guys are gonna produce their event, their way (with no communication with, nor advice from, experts who have done this before), using their people...and experience be damned! Well, good luck fellas!
Nothing has been put in escrow. Escrow means it is in a bank account, and can be verified by independent people (ie. the players, or a players' representative). The promoters have SAID they are guaranteeing 1st place prize money for each event (that doesn't mean it's in escrow somewhere). That says nothing about the payout for the rest of the paid field...which apparently the promoters don't feel like they need to provide details for. There are certainly precedents already for promoters who said the money was guaranteed, but when push came to shove, it wasn't.
Best of luck to all the players, professional and amateur, who show up and play! :grin:
So, how about letting the rest of us in on who Hot Ticket Entertainment is. What was their "old" name? A quick google search on "Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC" only turns up the press release referred to by the OP. If they are, as you say, "experienced and highly competent" professionals with a track record of providing high quality production of billiard events, I would think several AZBers would know who they are.
Just asking...
The other reason we will not be going is that quite frankly these guys don't seem to know what in the hell they are doing.
Joey, FYI MANY people in the billiard business make good use of these forums and for good reason. Those that don't only handicap themselves and the events they are trying to promote.
I think everyone understands that its their right to shoot their own foot. We just wonder why someone would do so.
So these guys wouldn't answer a question if someone acknowledged they were from AZ? I missing something here? If this is true there is some serious arrogance going on down in Texas. News flash: This site and its members do more for pool than any bazillion dollar promise tournament.
I cant wait till this thing is over.
SO.....................
Did you telephone the promoters?
Did you leave a comment on their website?
Nope.
I've heard people on the internet say they don't respond there either
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OK, this is JoeyA, the last one was kind of week, but I had a little trouble cutting and pasting from that ruthless knocker. j/k. REALLY! It was thrown in because I ran out of negative stuff to copy and paste and just having fun with one of the posters.
I left off the names of the individuals who said these things on purpose. No need to get any more personal than I/we already have. This isn’t meant to criticize or single any one person out. The purpose was to answer Lou’s questions about not seeing any negativity in these threads about the Galveston Tournament.
If you don’t find these statements negative, then I just can’t discuss this with you.
It is my opinion and not the opinion of the promoters or anyone else that if I read these statements, I would get the impression that you were being negative. But maybe I’m the only one in the world that thinks these statements are negative.
I think that outsiders look at these type of comments and say, "WOW! Those AZBiliards guys don't cut anyone any slack. In fact, it looks like they should be the ones organizing and promoting pool tournaments. It's probably best for us to avoid this type of obvious pessimism and negativity".
Now, all of you, seriously, take a look at these statements collectively and tell me that you would want to interact with AZ Billiards Main Forum.
I think AZ Billiards main forum (myself included) could improve on how we encourage promoters to invest their money in pool tournaments.
Maybe, there are good reasons other than my perceived negativity that has prevented the promoters from contacting AZ Billiards Main Forum.
Maybe, some of the reasons will be forthcoming.
Maybe, some additional good news is on the way.
Stay tuned as the www.theworldclassic.com beaches at Galveston, TX.
JoeyA
Lou,
I just grabbed a few of the comments from some of the threads and lopped them together. I left off the "constructive criticism" questions and comments. These were just a few that I thought were of a negative nature.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
I'll bet this tournament never comes to life. It would be nice if it did, but everything I've heard is negative.
They have grandiose plans for this event with many questions unanswered.
Isn't Galveston nothing but a pile of sand now? Would everyone just camp out on the beach? Are the tables going to be the outdoor kind?
With no more planning and promotion than we've seen so far, if it does come off, it is almost sure to be a disaster for someone.
The one constant I have heard is there is no added money.
Looks like they will be taking a bath if they hold the event.
I hope a lot of us are wrong here.
These are the type of conversations that concern me. All hype and no bite! Statements like this just turn me off, and speak AMATEUR!
The silence from the Diamond guys, (Greg and Mark) on this subject is deafening. Its almost as if they are taking a wait and see attitude also. Surely they have a monster contract for tables, don't they ?
These are dangerous times for anyone trying to make money in any endeavour related to pool.
If they get 20 paid vendors I think they will be doing well.
I am getting the opinion that the promoter have a bit of arrogance in them.
Sorry to be "cryptic" here, but my source has asked to remain confidential.
The next step will be whether they pay the upfront table contract costs, which are due pretty soon. I agree with Jay here.
However, that said, there have been many so-called 'events' like this, that didn't come off because of poor planning, no money, or any of a dozen other reasons.
I asked very pointed questions about the prize money and got somewhat curious answers, including that money was being taken out of the entry fees for various charities and other expenses. How much was unclear.
Regardless of my best intentions to not look like an ass, looking back, it appears I gave some positive judgement far too soon.....while I thought it would be a week, it has been almost two months....still too many unanswered questions....coupled with recent posts, the deposit check arriving late, concerns around actual numbers, and now an inability to keep ones word with regard to an online chat, I feel a bit misled....
I'm pissed and I'm out on principal....take pics and have fun....
(not that anybody cares, I am just venting ;0)
I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about it. Don't get me wrong -- it'd be great to have a big event that time of year. But it just doesn't add up for me.
Joey, KT has a lot of money too.
Clark seemed very appreciative when I gave him my contact info. He said he would be in touch with me soon. I have yet too hear from him. That speaks legends to me. Sorry to put a damper on things, but I'm a realist. I want to see how this one plays out first before I ante up my time and money.
Funny how nobody has ever heard of 'Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC', but their exclusive domain is producing pool and billiard events. IMO, just another slam at entities like TAR, that already exist, already have a track record, and already have an audience. These guys are gonna produce their event, their way (with no communication with, nor advice from, experts who have done this before), using their people...and experience be damned! Well, good luck fellas!
Nothing has been put in escrow. Escrow means it is in a bank account, and can be verified by independent people (ie. the players, or a players' representative). The promoters have SAID they are guaranteeing 1st place prize money for each event (that doesn't mean it's in escrow somewhere). That says nothing about the payout for the rest of the paid field...which apparently the promoters don't feel like they need to provide details for. There are certainly precedents already for promoters who said the money was guaranteed, but when push came to shove, it wasn't.
Best of luck to all the players, professional and amateur, who show up and play! :grin:
So, how about letting the rest of us in on who Hot Ticket Entertainment is. What was their "old" name? A quick google search on "Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC" only turns up the press release referred to by the OP. If they are, as you say, "experienced and highly competent" professionals with a track record of providing high quality production of billiard events, I would think several AZBers would know who they are.
Just asking...
The other reason we will not be going is that quite frankly these guys don't seem to know what in the hell they are doing.
Joey, FYI MANY people in the billiard business make good use of these forums and for good reason. Those that don't only handicap themselves and the events they are trying to promote.
I think everyone understands that its their right to shoot their own foot. We just wonder why someone would do so.
So these guys wouldn't answer a question if someone acknowledged they were from AZ? I missing something here? If this is true there is some serious arrogance going on down in Texas. News flash: This site and its members do more for pool than any bazillion dollar promise tournament.
I cant wait till this thing is over.
SO.....................
Did you telephone the promoters?
Did you leave a comment on their website?
Nope.
I've heard people on the internet say they don't respond there either
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OK, this is JoeyA, the last one was kind of week, but I had a little trouble cutting and pasting from that ruthless knocker. j/k. REALLY! It was thrown in because I ran out of negative stuff to copy and paste and just having fun with one of the posters.
I left off the names of the individuals who said these things on purpose. No need to get any more personal than I/we already have. This isn’t meant to criticize or single any one person out. The purpose was to answer Lou’s questions about not seeing any negativity in these threads about the Galveston Tournament.
If you don’t find these statements negative, then I just can’t discuss this with you.
It is my opinion and not the opinion of the promoters or anyone else that if I read these statements, I would get the impression that you were being negative. But maybe I’m the only one in the world that thinks these statements are negative.
I think that outsiders look at these type of comments and say, "WOW! Those AZBiliards guys don't cut anyone any slack. In fact, it looks like they should be the ones organizing and promoting pool tournaments. It's probably best for us to avoid this type of obvious pessimism and negativity".
Now, all of you, seriously, take a look at these statements collectively and tell me that you would want to interact with AZ Billiards Main Forum.
I think AZ Billiards main forum (myself included) could improve on how we encourage promoters to invest their money in pool tournaments.
Maybe, there are good reasons other than my perceived negativity that has prevented the promoters from contacting AZ Billiards Main Forum.
Maybe, some of the reasons will be forthcoming.
Maybe, some additional good news is on the way.
Stay tuned as the www.theworldclassic.com beaches at Galveston, TX.
JoeyA
Joey whether you realize it or not, you have just made a strong argument for questioning the veracity of this event. If one were to read all the posts above objectively, I think they would begin to wonder why so many people are saying these things and asking these questions. If everything were hunky dory, would we all be having this conversation?
I think you have made a strong argument for the Taylor Road crew to go out of their way to respond. I think someone else said " The silence is deafening." Yes, there is some negativity here, but that is based on someone's perception too, just as yours is. What you "perceive" as negative, someone else may view as voicing a legitimate concern.
After reading all the above, one thing I would agree with is that the promoters of this event should be all over it. The fact that they have chosen not to respond is worrisome to me. Is it just that they do not have the answers to these concerns and would prefer to ignore them? I don't know Joey. Do you?
Very well said Jay. I think the old " an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" really applies here.
I feel badly in a way for these guys though. As soon as word got around about this happening, they were attacked by everyone on the planet. The players have hounded them to death and with every little "don't you know who I am" trick there is. I know they have gotten tired of it,,,,,but to ignore,,IMO,,, is the absolute worst they can do.
Putting on a big event is not like selling a production line product. They will sell themselves in most cases. Tournaments are a service based idea and in that world your worth is based on your ability to splatter and scatter information. Each question has to be handled and with the idea that there are no dumb questions only dumb answers.
If they think they are getting defensive now, just wait until about day 3 of the tornament and they start hearing all the "what you should have dones". Those can make one want to run and hide eveytime someone makes eye contact.
Still, I wish them well. It is a great oppritunity. I'm reminded of an old tv comercial slogan, "one only has one shot at a first impression"!!
Are there any questions that go unanswered for the DCC, US Open 9 Ball, BCAPL yearly Vegas, Turning Stone or any other major event?
They were all NEW at one time and they all provided information for all that were interested.
Is it too much to ask? apparently it is too soon and maybe it is too much.
I will not be attending the inaugual event.
They were all NEW at one time and they all provided information for all that were interested.
Is it too much to ask? apparently it is too soon and maybe it is too much.
I will not be attending the inaugual event.
Joey, You have Too Much Time on Your Hands
lol. But I have a couple of minutes to kill, so here (at top speed) is my take/response:
I'll bet this tournament never comes to life. It would be nice if it did, but everything I've heard is negative.
Positive sentiment; states hearsay in absence of info from promoters.
They have grandiose plans for this event with many questions unanswered.
They are planning a big event and there are many unanswered questions, so you have two factual statements.
Isn't Galveston nothing but a pile of sand now? Would everyone just camp out on the beach? Are the tables going to be the outdoor kind?
Legit question about the condition of the area, post hurricane, with a bit of humor thrown in.
With no more planning and promotion than we've seen so far, if it does come off, it is almost sure to be a disaster for someone.
Given the dearth of info to date, a legit statement of opinion.
The one constant I have heard is there is no added money.
Don’t know when this one was made ?!
Looks like they will be taking a bath if they hold the event.
I hope a lot of us are wrong here.
These are the type of conversations that concern me. All hype and no bite! Statements like this just turn me off, and speak AMATEUR!
Perhaps this individual is an accountant, (or maybe just someone with basic math skills Positive statement of support and then a candid opinion of the event based, presumably, on what has been forthcoming so far.
The silence from the Diamond guys, (Greg and Mark) on this subject is deafening. Its almost as if they are taking a wait and see attitude also. Surely they have a monster contract for tables, don't they ?
Maybe this was when we were waiting to hear about the deposit to Diamond, while Diamond’s check was in the mail.
These are dangerous times for anyone trying to make money in any endeavour related to pool.
If they get 20 paid vendors I think they will be doing well.
Valid statement of the fact and opinion on the vendor situation.
I am getting the opinion that the promoter have a bit of arrogance in them.
Sorry to be "cryptic" here, but my source has asked to remain confidential.
Clearly identified as an opinion (one of those is OK to voice, isn’t it?)
The next step will be whether they pay the upfront table contract costs, which are due pretty soon. I agree with Jay here.
However, that said, there have been many so-called 'events' like this, that didn't come off because of poor planning, no money, or any of a dozen other reasons.
Historical review accurately states some facts relevant to past pool events.
I asked very pointed questions about the prize money and got somewhat curious answers, including that money was being taken out of the entry fees for various charities and other expenses. How much was unclear.
Just relates unsatisfying Q&A experience, perhaps with the promoters?
Regardless of my best intentions to not look like an ass, looking back, it appears I gave some positive judgement far too soon.....while I thought it would be a week, it has been almost two months....still too many unanswered questions....coupled with recent posts, the deposit check arriving late, concerns around actual numbers, and now an inability to keep ones word with regard to an online chat, I feel a bit misled....
I'm pissed and I'm out on principal....take pics and have fun....
(not that anybody cares, I am just venting ;0)
Relates personal experience and dissatisfaction with information available (hmmm, a common theme emerges?)
I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about it. Don't get me wrong -- it'd be great to have a big event that time of year. But it just doesn't add up for me.
Another opinion, perhaps fueled by too little info from the promoters?
Joey, KT has a lot of money too.
Just a statement of fact -- no insinuation made.
Clark seemed very appreciative when I gave him my contact info. He said he would be in touch with me soon. I have yet too hear from him. That speaks legends to me. Sorry to put a damper on things, but I'm a realist. I want to see how this one plays out first before I ante up my time and money.
Failed promise, related by individual to whom promise was made by promoter (Clark)?
Funny how nobody has ever heard of 'Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC', but their exclusive domain is producing pool and billiard events. IMO, just another slam at entities like TAR, that already exist, already have a track record, and already have an audience. These guys are gonna produce their event, their way (with no communication with, nor advice from, experts who have done this before), using their people...and experience be damned! Well, good luck fellas!
A TAR fan speaks his mind!
Nothing has been put in escrow. Escrow means it is in a bank account, and can be verified by independent people (ie. the players, or a players' representative). The promoters have SAID they are guaranteeing 1st place prize money for each event (that doesn't mean it's in escrow somewhere). That says nothing about the payout for the rest of the paid field...which apparently the promoters don't feel like they need to provide details for. There are certainly precedents already for promoters who said the money was guaranteed, but when push came to shove, it wasn't.
A fiduciary discussion of the term “escrow” far above my head.
Best of luck to all the players, professional and amateur, who show up and play!
Why this one is on your list of negativity, I have no idea.
So, how about letting the rest of us in on who Hot Ticket Entertainment is. What was their "old" name? A quick google search on "Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC" only turns up the press release referred to by the OP. If they are, as you say, "experienced and highly competent" professionals with a track record of providing high quality production of billiard events, I would think several AZBers would know who they are.
Just asking...
A legitimate question about HTE.
The other reason we will not be going is that quite frankly these guys don't seem to know what in the hell they are doing.
Based upon what has been release so far…
Joey, FYI MANY people in the billiard business make good use of these forums and for good reason. Those that don't only handicap themselves and the events they are trying to promote.
Someone who knows a little about promoting pool events voices their opinion.
I think everyone understands that its their right to shoot their own foot. We just wonder why someone would do so.
Yeah! Why?
So these guys wouldn't answer a question if someone acknowledged they were from AZ? I missing something here? If this is true there is some serious arrogance going on down in Texas. News flash: This site and its members do more for pool than any bazillion dollar promise tournament.
An AZ fan sticks up for his peeps.
I cant wait till this thing is over.
Someone just venting and voicing their frustration over the lack of info out there on this event?
So where's the negativity?
I will tell you though that you've done a rather funny thing, Joey:
First, you just re-shot all these comments you deem "negative" back out into play -- here we were, all boppin' along to greener pastures, and you dragged all this stuff back up and put it back on the table for further discussion, instead of letting them fade into the ozone. Bad move, if your concern is about "too much negativity"
Second, as others have pointed out, you've also cobbled together a very cogent argument to support those that are less than happy with the information flow on this event. Taken as a whole, it is clear that a significant portion of Galveston's target audience ain't happy and, forced to make decisions in the dark, are playing it safe.
Lastly, you make it abundantly clear that, to you, anything less than blind support and allegiance for and to this event constitutes mutiny.
That's not funny, it's sad.
Lou Figueroa
lol. But I have a couple of minutes to kill, so here (at top speed) is my take/response:
I'll bet this tournament never comes to life. It would be nice if it did, but everything I've heard is negative.
Positive sentiment; states hearsay in absence of info from promoters.
They have grandiose plans for this event with many questions unanswered.
They are planning a big event and there are many unanswered questions, so you have two factual statements.
Isn't Galveston nothing but a pile of sand now? Would everyone just camp out on the beach? Are the tables going to be the outdoor kind?
Legit question about the condition of the area, post hurricane, with a bit of humor thrown in.
With no more planning and promotion than we've seen so far, if it does come off, it is almost sure to be a disaster for someone.
Given the dearth of info to date, a legit statement of opinion.
The one constant I have heard is there is no added money.
Don’t know when this one was made ?!
Looks like they will be taking a bath if they hold the event.
I hope a lot of us are wrong here.
These are the type of conversations that concern me. All hype and no bite! Statements like this just turn me off, and speak AMATEUR!
Perhaps this individual is an accountant, (or maybe just someone with basic math skills
Positive statement of support and then a candid opinion of the event based, presumably, on what has been forthcoming so far.The silence from the Diamond guys, (Greg and Mark) on this subject is deafening. Its almost as if they are taking a wait and see attitude also. Surely they have a monster contract for tables, don't they ?
Maybe this was when we were waiting to hear about the deposit to Diamond, while Diamond’s check was in the mail.
These are dangerous times for anyone trying to make money in any endeavour related to pool.
If they get 20 paid vendors I think they will be doing well.
Valid statement of the fact and opinion on the vendor situation.
I am getting the opinion that the promoter have a bit of arrogance in them.
Sorry to be "cryptic" here, but my source has asked to remain confidential.
Clearly identified as an opinion (one of those is OK to voice, isn’t it?)
The next step will be whether they pay the upfront table contract costs, which are due pretty soon. I agree with Jay here.
However, that said, there have been many so-called 'events' like this, that didn't come off because of poor planning, no money, or any of a dozen other reasons.
Historical review accurately states some facts relevant to past pool events.
I asked very pointed questions about the prize money and got somewhat curious answers, including that money was being taken out of the entry fees for various charities and other expenses. How much was unclear.
Just relates unsatisfying Q&A experience, perhaps with the promoters?
Regardless of my best intentions to not look like an ass, looking back, it appears I gave some positive judgement far too soon.....while I thought it would be a week, it has been almost two months....still too many unanswered questions....coupled with recent posts, the deposit check arriving late, concerns around actual numbers, and now an inability to keep ones word with regard to an online chat, I feel a bit misled....
I'm pissed and I'm out on principal....take pics and have fun....
(not that anybody cares, I am just venting ;0)
Relates personal experience and dissatisfaction with information available (hmmm, a common theme emerges?)
I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about it. Don't get me wrong -- it'd be great to have a big event that time of year. But it just doesn't add up for me.
Another opinion, perhaps fueled by too little info from the promoters?
Joey, KT has a lot of money too.
Just a statement of fact -- no insinuation made.
Clark seemed very appreciative when I gave him my contact info. He said he would be in touch with me soon. I have yet too hear from him. That speaks legends to me. Sorry to put a damper on things, but I'm a realist. I want to see how this one plays out first before I ante up my time and money.
Failed promise, related by individual to whom promise was made by promoter (Clark)?
Funny how nobody has ever heard of 'Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC', but their exclusive domain is producing pool and billiard events. IMO, just another slam at entities like TAR, that already exist, already have a track record, and already have an audience. These guys are gonna produce their event, their way (with no communication with, nor advice from, experts who have done this before), using their people...and experience be damned! Well, good luck fellas!
A TAR fan speaks his mind!
Nothing has been put in escrow. Escrow means it is in a bank account, and can be verified by independent people (ie. the players, or a players' representative). The promoters have SAID they are guaranteeing 1st place prize money for each event (that doesn't mean it's in escrow somewhere). That says nothing about the payout for the rest of the paid field...which apparently the promoters don't feel like they need to provide details for. There are certainly precedents already for promoters who said the money was guaranteed, but when push came to shove, it wasn't.
A fiduciary discussion of the term “escrow” far above my head.
Best of luck to all the players, professional and amateur, who show up and play!
Why this one is on your list of negativity, I have no idea.
So, how about letting the rest of us in on who Hot Ticket Entertainment is. What was their "old" name? A quick google search on "Hot Ticket Entertainment, LLC" only turns up the press release referred to by the OP. If they are, as you say, "experienced and highly competent" professionals with a track record of providing high quality production of billiard events, I would think several AZBers would know who they are.
Just asking...
A legitimate question about HTE.
The other reason we will not be going is that quite frankly these guys don't seem to know what in the hell they are doing.
Based upon what has been release so far…
Joey, FYI MANY people in the billiard business make good use of these forums and for good reason. Those that don't only handicap themselves and the events they are trying to promote.
Someone who knows a little about promoting pool events voices their opinion.
I think everyone understands that its their right to shoot their own foot. We just wonder why someone would do so.
Yeah! Why?
So these guys wouldn't answer a question if someone acknowledged they were from AZ? I missing something here? If this is true there is some serious arrogance going on down in Texas. News flash: This site and its members do more for pool than any bazillion dollar promise tournament.
An AZ fan sticks up for his peeps.
I cant wait till this thing is over.
Someone just venting and voicing their frustration over the lack of info out there on this event?
So where's the negativity?
I will tell you though that you've done a rather funny thing, Joey:
First, you just re-shot all these comments you deem "negative" back out into play -- here we were, all boppin' along to greener pastures, and you dragged all this stuff back up and put it back on the table for further discussion, instead of letting them fade into the ozone. Bad move, if your concern is about "too much negativity"
Second, as others have pointed out, you've also cobbled together a very cogent argument to support those that are less than happy with the information flow on this event. Taken as a whole, it is clear that a significant portion of Galveston's target audience ain't happy and, forced to make decisions in the dark, are playing it safe.
Lastly, you make it abundantly clear that, to you, anything less than blind support and allegiance for and to this event constitutes mutiny.
That's not funny, it's sad.
Lou Figueroa
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First, you just re-shot all these comments you deem "negative" back out into play -- here we were, all boppin' along to greener pastures, and you dragged all this stuff back up and put it back on the table for further discussion, instead of letting them fade into the ozone. Bad move, if your concern is about "too much negativity"
Second, as others have pointed out, you've also cobbled together a very cogent argument to support those that are less than happy with the information flow on this event. Taken as a whole, it is clear that a significant portion of Galveston's target audience ain't happy and, forced to make decisions in the dark, are playing it safe.
Lastly, you make it abundantly clear that, to you, anything less than blind support and allegiance for and to this event constitutes mutiny.
That's not funny, it's sad.
Lou Figueroa[/QUOTE]
Well Lou, you have proved my point. You are the master spin doctor.
What is abundantly clear is that the naysayers are holding their ground and proud of it.
I don't have any problem with people asking questions. That's a good thing. It's how you ask them.
YOU, wouldn't even go to their website or telephone them with your questions. That shows how interested you are in really having your questions answered.
I hope the naysayers who apparently weren't going to the tournament in the first place and just wanted to persuade the "lemmings" to not go also. Hopefully, the naysayers will have failed.
Oh well, some say the glass is half empty. Some say it half full.
It is clear as to where the naysayers stand. That's what's really sad.
JoeyA
Second, as others have pointed out, you've also cobbled together a very cogent argument to support those that are less than happy with the information flow on this event. Taken as a whole, it is clear that a significant portion of Galveston's target audience ain't happy and, forced to make decisions in the dark, are playing it safe.
Lastly, you make it abundantly clear that, to you, anything less than blind support and allegiance for and to this event constitutes mutiny.
That's not funny, it's sad.
Lou Figueroa[/QUOTE]
Well Lou, you have proved my point. You are the master spin doctor.
What is abundantly clear is that the naysayers are holding their ground and proud of it.
I don't have any problem with people asking questions. That's a good thing. It's how you ask them.
YOU, wouldn't even go to their website or telephone them with your questions. That shows how interested you are in really having your questions answered.
I hope the naysayers who apparently weren't going to the tournament in the first place and just wanted to persuade the "lemmings" to not go also. Hopefully, the naysayers will have failed.
Oh well, some say the glass is half empty. Some say it half full.
It is clear as to where the naysayers stand. That's what's really sad.
JoeyA
So you're saying I can't win -- I either endorse your point of view, or I'm a "spin doctor." Nice.
And, I'm not proud of anything (I don't know about anyone else around here). Seems to me that you like to paint, not with a broad brush, but by opening up a big ole can of paint and sloshing it all over anyone on the opposite side of the can
Based upon your comment above, it is now clear that folks have to ask questions phrased in such a manner so as to just suit you. Nice, again, but, "Homey don't play that."
And as I pointed out to you before, you are way off base. I have gathered all the info I need to make my decision, so no, I don't need to go to them (which is a clear reversal of roles anyway).
Lastly, just because you call someone a "naysayer" doesn't make it so. Name calling usually doesn't and intelligent people can make that distinction. Others -- YKWYA -- apparently can't
Lou Figueroa
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This is what the online dictionary defines as a 'nayser'
I don't think I would be defined as any of thse definitions. Do you JoeyA?
Seems like most of these posters are just asking questions.
Noun 1. naysayer - someone with an aggressively negative attitude
obstructer, obstructionist, obstructor, resister, thwarter - someone who systematically obstructs some action that others want to take
technophobe - a person who dislikes or avoids new technology
BTW all the press releases (at least to date) are on a single magazine's website.
Not Billiards Digest or Pool and Billiards, nor is there anything on AZBilliards website pertaining to news releases from Galvaston TX
I don't think I would be defined as any of thse definitions. Do you JoeyA?
Seems like most of these posters are just asking questions.
Noun 1. naysayer - someone with an aggressively negative attitude
obstructer, obstructionist, obstructor, resister, thwarter - someone who systematically obstructs some action that others want to take
technophobe - a person who dislikes or avoids new technology
BTW all the press releases (at least to date) are on a single magazine's website.
Not Billiards Digest or Pool and Billiards, nor is there anything on AZBilliards website pertaining to news releases from Galvaston TX
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Joey,
You got me ROTFLMAO!! NO One on this thread would EVER have any reason to hope the "lemmings" don't go.
I don't think ANY of those comments would have ever been made if the questions were answered. They were ALL good questions and, as Lou proved, a little spin can go a long way. No spin can SPIN out of control.
I think that not only would the "lemmings" be going but almost ALL the guys asking the questions would have been making travel plans right now.......if the Rones would simply answer some simple questions. That's why I tried to do the "live chat".
I think they are just nervous about the event and are afraid of committing to everything and then being criticized for making changes. I don't agree with the silence, obviously, but I will still go because I'm just up the road!
Ray
You got me ROTFLMAO!! NO One on this thread would EVER have any reason to hope the "lemmings" don't go.
I don't think ANY of those comments would have ever been made if the questions were answered. They were ALL good questions and, as Lou proved, a little spin can go a long way. No spin can SPIN out of control.
I think that not only would the "lemmings" be going but almost ALL the guys asking the questions would have been making travel plans right now.......if the Rones would simply answer some simple questions. That's why I tried to do the "live chat".
I think they are just nervous about the event and are afraid of committing to everything and then being criticized for making changes. I don't agree with the silence, obviously, but I will still go because I'm just up the road!
Ray
First, you just re-shot all these comments you deem "negative" back out into play -- here we were, all boppin' along to greener pastures, and you dragged all this stuff back up and put it back on the table for further discussion, instead of letting them fade into the ozone. Bad move, if your concern is about "too much negativity"
Second, as others have pointed out, you've also cobbled together a very cogent argument to support those that are less than happy with the information flow on this event. Taken as a whole, it is clear that a significant portion of Galveston's target audience ain't happy and, forced to make decisions in the dark, are playing it safe.
Lastly, you make it abundantly clear that, to you, anything less than blind support and allegiance for and to this event constitutes mutiny.
That's not funny, it's sad.
Lou Figueroa
Well Lou, you have proved my point. You are the master spin doctor.
What is abundantly clear is that the naysayers are holding their ground and proud of it.
I don't have any problem with people asking questions. That's a good thing. It's how you ask them.
YOU, wouldn't even go to their website or telephone them with your questions. That shows how interested you are in really having your questions answered.
I hope the naysayers who apparently weren't going to the tournament in the first place and just wanted to persuade the "lemmings" to not go also. Hopefully, the naysayers will have failed.
Oh well, some say the glass is half empty. Some say it half full.
It is clear as to where the naysayers stand. That's what's really sad.
JoeyA[/QUOTE]
I say it's halfway to the next glass!:thumbup:
Their webpage is my explorer homepage, so I can check updates whenever I can log on, and I hope that it gets some good support-
We need another big venue for pool players that's more centralized, and if this one makes that grade and pulls in the crowds, why would anyone be disparaging about it- the worst it can do is help things out when we need something else to do, and the best it can do is help things out when we need something else to do, and get more publicity for pool.....
I hope it turns into an annual event if they keep on the track that they are starting on.
Now if we could just get them to show up and answers some questions from the masses, maybe we could put some of this to rest, and get ready for a roadtrip!