Titanium pins
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Ti Pin
I have used a few over the years, usually at the customers request.
I have one in one of my playing cues. Aircraft aluminum pins save weight as well. It really does come down to $$$. That's my 2 cents. If it would polish, I would use it more often.
Paul Sumrall S&S Cues
I have used a few over the years, usually at the customers request.
I have one in one of my playing cues. Aircraft aluminum pins save weight as well. It really does come down to $$$. That's my 2 cents. If it would polish, I would use it more often.
Paul Sumrall S&S Cues
I'd prefer titanium over G10 if it has a glue channel and the same price.
G10 is a little abrasive and doesn't look quite as nice .
The main issue, IMO, is the flat-face joint, which I believe is the best joint for a pool cue. I woud defy (and wager with) anyone to identify the pin composition of a completed big pin flat face cue with the possible exception of G-10. The G-10 is said to have a tad more flex to it than the others and hence the cue might be a bit more lively. I don't know that from my own experience though. I really like having the options of G-10, aluminum, titianium, drilled steel, steel, and brass because they cover a wide weight range to help achieve the kind of balance range I'm after. I hope that helps. Martin
Probably a can of worms for the most part, but I core everything like some do, In my cues, anything, ebony, Olive or cocobolo wood forearms automatically get Titanium, I also use brass and stainless but not on the woods I mentioned.
Ti only cost me $4 more per pin. I use them once in a while. Only about 10 grams difference between them and G-10. Just depends on what the cue calls for. I can't tell any difference in the play....but I'm just a just a cuemaker what do I know?
Titainium can be polished just like stainless can be.
As long as the material joining the cues has the yeild strength strong enough to hold the 2 parts together , then the joint material should not matter.
Titainium,Al6V4, (common alloy) is quite a springy type of alloy , IE not really ridgid.
My own opinion is, while it has good cyclic fatigue strength it is only needed if the customer wants to have something with titainium in it.
Alot of things are made today and have the name Titainium on them while little or no Titainium can be found in the product.
Neil
As long as the material joining the cues has the yeild strength strong enough to hold the 2 parts together , then the joint material should not matter.
Titainium,Al6V4, (common alloy) is quite a springy type of alloy , IE not really ridgid.
My own opinion is, while it has good cyclic fatigue strength it is only needed if the customer wants to have something with titainium in it.
Alot of things are made today and have the name Titainium on them while little or no Titainium can be found in the product.
Neil
the real cost of TI
Hi guys,
in my 9-5 we make 2 products. 1 is made from 6061AL and the other from a high end TI (I cant really say because of licensing purposes). The are 100% the exact same design, shape,size etc... the only difference is the material as TI can withstand a lot more aggressive environments than AL. Now for the bottom line, the AL version costs £450RRP and the TI costs £5000RRP.
The real cost of TI is the machine time. The AL takes approximately 6 hours of machine time where as the TI takes 6 DAYS. You have to cut TI in much smaller increments otherwise you risk shattering the cutting tool and damaging the work piece.
This time obviously gets translated into costs and as such the TI only appeals to the real high end customer.
Hope this helps,
Exile
Hi guys,
in my 9-5 we make 2 products. 1 is made from 6061AL and the other from a high end TI (I cant really say because of licensing purposes). The are 100% the exact same design, shape,size etc... the only difference is the material as TI can withstand a lot more aggressive environments than AL. Now for the bottom line, the AL version costs £450RRP and the TI costs £5000RRP.
The real cost of TI is the machine time. The AL takes approximately 6 hours of machine time where as the TI takes 6 DAYS. You have to cut TI in much smaller increments otherwise you risk shattering the cutting tool and damaging the work piece.
This time obviously gets translated into costs and as such the TI only appeals to the real high end customer.
Hope this helps,
Exile
Exactly. What cuemaker is going to balk as an extra $12.00 in a $900.00 cue because of the cost. Especially if they believe it is the screw to use. I remember years ago getting a cue from a top cuemaker, one of the most famous. The two shafts were not that good with one even worse then the other. By chance I ran into him at the US Open in Chicago. I had the cue for maybe three weeks. He came over and asked how the cue was and I told him what I thought of the shafts. His response was to tell me the cost of good wood and how hard it is to get. I stopped him in mid sentence and asked him, "Did I even ask you the price of the cue when I ordered it"? "Have I even quibbled with you on price in any cues you have built me"? "The answer is NO". "What, you think if you said", "The cue will be $600.00 (A lot of money for a cue back then), but if you would like better shafts it will cost you $20.00 more", "I would have said put the cheaper shafts on the cue"? He was a little mad I had spoken to him like that but later he came over and asked if he could take the cue with him and he would make it right. I am giving the cue maker a blank check to build me the best money can buy and that is what I expect to get. If I just want a cue I can go into any billiard supply and find something suitable. I was not being overly picky, these shafts were second grade at best and he knew it.
I'm assuming the Ti pin was 10 grams heavier than the G-10?
Is there a comparison list somewhere of what each specific pin weighs?? Thanks!
I really don't think your analogy fits here. Comparing a steel, brass, g-10 or a titanium pin to one another the only thing to worry about is cost and weight. If you order 1 titanium pin or 10 they are identical. Not so with shafts. Every single one on this earth is different. Most cue makers can not go to a supplier and pick through a few thousand blanks to find the absolute best and of these best there will still be one better than the rest. If you order 200 of a distributors best blanks for 15.00 each, some will be much better than others. Every one wants the best so out of this 200 only 50 meets your criteria and still there will be a few much better than the others. What do you do with these not as desirable blanks. Some on this forum try to sell them to other cue makers and some just burn them. At any rate, even though they only cost 15.00 each, if you narrow it down to the top 10% you now have 150.00 in this blank or you have a number of people upset because some one else got special favor. I would gladly buy a 100 blanks at a time, look through them and pick out only the very best one and just turn that one down and through the rest away. Thing is, no one wants to pay 1500.00 or 2000.00 for one of my shafts. As a cue maker you have to be realistic and set your parameters of what is acceptable and what is not in your materials knowing that some materials will be better than others and just hope that your customers agree with your parameters.
Dick
I add the extra price of the titanium into the price of the cue.