This is all I have to say.
- Thread starter Grady
- Start date
It's just as sad as the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that..........
Grady,
You know I respect you, and wish you only the best.
However, I cannot understand your propensity to beg for inclusion into these various "Pro events". I could not, and would not, do that. It should be beneath YOU to do that..."period"
Even Watson, with all his nine major victorys, was, at age 59, in his last year of elgiblity for the British Open, and he was a 4 time winner of that most prestigious event.
I know all of us "old guy's" were praying for a miracle, but it was not to be. he came close, but bottom line...he embarassed himself, in the play-off with a younger Stewart Cink. Much the way it would be if you (or I ) played Scott Frost.
It is a bitter pill to swallow, and I would like to say (being quite a bit older than you) it is not easy to swallow.
You have made your mark on our somewhat 'limited inside exposure" pool world.
Take what you have earned, which is plenty....and don't beg for more. JMHO
Dick
Ps If you don't lighten up, you may be included in the Beards.., "Slate Head" group. Artie and I are charter members...
You know I respect you, and wish you only the best.
However, I cannot understand your propensity to beg for inclusion into these various "Pro events". I could not, and would not, do that. It should be beneath YOU to do that..."period"
Even Watson, with all his nine major victorys, was, at age 59, in his last year of elgiblity for the British Open, and he was a 4 time winner of that most prestigious event.
I know all of us "old guy's" were praying for a miracle, but it was not to be. he came close, but bottom line...he embarassed himself, in the play-off with a younger Stewart Cink. Much the way it would be if you (or I ) played Scott Frost.
It is a bitter pill to swallow, and I would like to say (being quite a bit older than you) it is not easy to swallow.
You have made your mark on our somewhat 'limited inside exposure" pool world.
Take what you have earned, which is plenty....and don't beg for more. JMHO
Dick
Ps If you don't lighten up, you may be included in the Beards.., "Slate Head" group. Artie and I are charter members...
Last edited:
Funny thing is I don't really see where Grady has begged for anything other than a reasonable explanation as to why he was not given an invite....actually can't find where he even said he would accept but the general consensus was a desire to have someone explain why a player of his caliber and experience would not be invited
Doesn't seem to be asking for much...and obviously its something he has asked for before and not received so seems to be a "hey once again wanna give me an answer " and its ignored....
yeah I'm biased...so be it
R
Doesn't seem to be asking for much...and obviously its something he has asked for before and not received so seems to be a "hey once again wanna give me an answer " and its ignored....
yeah I'm biased...so be it
R
Excellent response Shellhouse...but did you bother to read post # 63 ?
The reasoning mentioned above is exactly what is WRONG with the game of professional pool!
No set rules, no governing body that matters, no structure, everybody makes up their own rules, and on and on.
This is supposed to be a "World Open". That's why the comparisons to a golf "major" were made. Golf's majors don't get to make up their own rules - they don't get to invite "whoever the hell they want" and exclude same. They have a strictly adhered to set of rules regarding who gets exemptions (you would call invitations) and all others have to qualify in some way.
One of the great things is that exemptions are given to past champions.
There's no reason pool tournaments that wish to be thought of as "majors" shouldn't be held to, and shouldn't hold themselves to, a higher standard than a Sharpshooter's Lounge monthly nine ball tournament.
Sure thought I had...
" However, I cannot understand your propensity to beg for inclusion into these various "Pro events"."
Maybe I misread/misunderstood....its happened before...
R
your reasoning is sound and it would be great for pool majors to be like golf, but there is no chance in hell that will happen because the sponsorship money is not there. The sponsorship money in major professional golf goes into the tens of millions for each tourney. Try getting that for a pool tourney.
So this is a Charlie Williams tournament? That explains a lot. I think Grady needs counseling or something about his feud with Charlie Williams.
I agree that Grady and other past champions should be given an exemption as long as there is a large enough field, but why would Charlie give Grady an exemption to play in his tournament after all the stuff about Charlie that has been stirred up?
Is this about Grady getting into a tournament or just a continuation of Grady's running feud with Charlie?
This is soap opera material.
Grady, I would like to get my "facts straight". Where should I go to get the proper information? When I was looking for a list of your titles, I checked several sites, including your own, and the only list I found was the one I posted. Now, in an earlier post, Harold offered to update the information on the web to include all of your titles and you, yourself, told him you would think about it. If you want people to get the correct information, the least you can do is make it available.
Concerning the two straight pool titles you mentioned, when were they? You don't say what year they were played. Considering the player names you mentioned, I have to assume these tournaments were many years ago. I think it was great that you won those tournaments, but they do not qualify you for a tournament today.
You also mention a third place finish in a world championship in 1983. Again, you should be proud of that. However, that was 26 years ago. It has no bearing on today.
There are many other players, including some HOF straight pool players, who are not invited. I think they should all be invited before you Grady.
Respect is not an entitlement in America, unfortunately.
That, and the Billiards powers that be have always operated under their own agenda. You know that, Grady.
F them MFers.
That, and the Billiards powers that be have always operated under their own agenda. You know that, Grady.
F them MFers.
Who ??? wouldn't watch Efren ,and Grady play one -hple
All I will say in his defense at the derby city classic (07). One of the matches that drew a crowd was Efren Reyes,and Grady- It had plenty of spectators.(A FEW Hundred). Grady comes to win just like other pool players-how is a guy supposed to stay( sharp) in comp-when not invited- Who's next Kim, Johnny and Earl- Far as I remember Grady bank rolls himself.
All I will say in his defense at the derby city classic (07). One of the matches that drew a crowd was Efren Reyes,and Grady- It had plenty of spectators.(A FEW Hundred). Grady comes to win just like other pool players-how is a guy supposed to stay( sharp) in comp-when not invited- Who's next Kim, Johnny and Earl- Far as I remember Grady bank rolls himself.
Last edited:
That was my question a couple of pages ago, and it still hasnt been addressed.
on the tom watson subject, i would not be proud if i was him, but that is just me. maybe that i did play well through the event, but i have never seen anybody hit a putt as badly, and with less chance to go in as the 18th hole putt to win it. i mean that was a full fledged like triple choke. that would have been like missing a hill hill 9 ball by 1 diamond.
look, about this other crap, of course grady should be allowed to play. the problem is this sport sucks, and all the promoters and tournaments are bs and there is way too much politics involved. i am thoroughly convinced charlie williams has some major issues by the way, but that is neither here nor there. it is just total bs and people like grady receive the brunt of it, so like it or not grady is right on this one. he may not have a great chance to win, but he should be able to play if he would like to.
look, about this other crap, of course grady should be allowed to play. the problem is this sport sucks, and all the promoters and tournaments are bs and there is way too much politics involved. i am thoroughly convinced charlie williams has some major issues by the way, but that is neither here nor there. it is just total bs and people like grady receive the brunt of it, so like it or not grady is right on this one. he may not have a great chance to win, but he should be able to play if he would like to.
Last edited:
lol, have you ever played golf? If you have, have you ever had a putt on 18 for a few hundred dollars? How about for a few thousand?
Now multiply that by a factor of about a million, not monetary wise, the putt only meant an extra 500,000 or so, but pressure wise. Couple that with the fact that the man will be 60 in a few months.
Vette, apparently you don't know enzo very well....
He has never missed a ball in his life...in ANY sport. He bats .900, shoots 50 under par, and is the only living player to ever shoot above 1.000 on the TPA score....and he's a great instructor.
Here we go again!!! you are in your golden years and you need to learn to live the rest of your life with pride & dignity.If u keep coming up with this kind of drama on and off on AZB, there will always be some who will strip u of that pride and dignity. Do you like to hear some one on this board remind you that you are old and can`t play a lick and hence you are not invited? your time was over long time ago.Just take care of your pool hall business.
Sounds like Vagabond is missing his respect button! Grady Matthews is a legend of the game. He has put more into pool than just about anyone, not to mention he is a top straight pool player that is capable of beating anyone at any givin time. To not get an invite into this event is a slap in the face to a great ambassador of this great game we call pool. His age shouldn't be a factor. He's obviously no dummy and if he felt he couldn't be a factor in competing knowing Grady, he would have no comment.
Whats up Mark? Haven't seen you around for a while......
I'm in the same camp as Vagabond but I think what you and several others are missing is that Grady has went on this same triade every year since the first invite he didn't get from Charlie. I myself think the invite may have been overlooked the first year (or maybe there was bad blood before) and instead of quietly pushing some buttons to get an invite the second year Grady went completely off the air here (or maybe RSB on usenet) and made such a big deal of it that it killed EVER getting one..... Been doing it every year since..... Who wants invite someone that hates them and has been so negative publicly about their tournament? No one! I'll say it one more time. Grady needs to preserve his legacy, teach and promote. The title "The Professor" ain't no BS, the pool world has much to be learned from him and I would much rather see the "good ole Grady" instead of the "bitter" one.
Last edited:
Glendale
Banned
A choke is a choke....and Tom Watson choked. You can throw the money outta of the window in this situation - I doubt he was worried about putting food on the table for his family. C'mon now, the guy's a multi-millionaire!
Having said that, I still feel for the guy. I was rooting for him because he was the underdog and a class act! He showed tons of heart, and I was disappointed to see him fall short.
I'm just saying, money wasn't a factor in his half stroke choke.