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This cte stuff is realy bizzar.do some people on here actualy think that you can line up cte through the center of the cueball place the cue off to one side or the other and come up with the correct angle to the pocket with no
ajustments?

If the bridge hand is placed in the same place with cte alignment it will not make all shots with out some extra move with the body or head after the pivot.

Put a ball in the middle of the table ,place the cueball near the spot where you break from.The shot is around a halfball hit.move the balls over to the left or right you want to make shot just a hair more than a halfball hit.

Now do cte till you make it ,remeber where you place your cue tip in relationship to cte . Now with out moveing the cb ,move the ob foward towards the rail 1 daimond.Now you have the cb in the same place but the ob
is 1 daimond closer to the rail which makes the angle even steeper.

The same placement of the bridge hand as the first shot pretty much makes the second shot even though the angle change,but if you move the cb closer to ob without moving the ob the same bridge placment will
not make the shot with out a ajustment.Move the ball over one daimond and the same bridgehand placement will not make the shot.

So is the there a formula for the bridge hand placement or is the a tweak after the pivot?

I can say one thing RonV put is system out there for nothing and explain it
pretty well .His system makes alot of balls,and if your one of these people
that have a hard time aiming out in the air past the halball hit,his system will doe noething but help you.
 
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Shawn Armstrong said:
The funny thing here is that the system taught to me by Hal Houle was taught to him by Greenleaf. No aiming system..................hmm.
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well, of course. If you totally believe HH.

On the phone he also told me that Bustamonte used his system.

When I asked him how he knew this, there was, at first, a long period of crickets chirping, followed by the sound of massive gear grindage as he tried to change the subject, until I pressed and he eventually admitted he didn't know this as a fact. It just *looked* to him that Bustamonte was using his system :-)

Lou Figueroa
who knows...
Greenleaf ain't around anymore
to confirm or deny
 
8pack said:
This cte stuff is realy bizzar.do some people on here actualy think that you can line up cte through the center of the cueball place the cue off to one side or the other and come up with the correct angle to the pocket with no
ajustments?
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ummmm....

well.

(wait for it)

Yes!!!!! :-)

Lou Figueroa
give me that
ole time religion
 
lfigueroa said:
ummmm....

well.

(wait for it)

Yes!!!!! :-)

Lou Figueroa
give me that
ole time religion
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You're right Lou, it doesn't work and your the best. Please Lou start to give lessons and if you already do, well thank God. I wish that I could just see the shots man and run racks with out really trying. Cheers to you and screw Aiming Systems, right!

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I just wanted to throw in my worthless opinion on this issue. I called Hal and he invited me into his home, offered me a beverage and did his best to explain his system for free. Hell of a guy! I'm not sure why CTE should just be dismissed. Ok, the system is not a magic pill. What is? There are so many facets to this game. There has been pool immortals named in this thread, as well. Do you have to be an immortal to benefit or excel using this system? Does anyone here think they are the next Mosconi, Greenleaf or Lassiter? That's just pure born in talent. For the rest of us, Hal has offered (for free) a really nice system that works for some. Thanks Hal!

Andy
 
I'm not knocking Dave's desire to get things right, I've not looked at this stuff. The fact is that CTE works for some people, some of whom, like me, got it from Hal Houle on the phone, others in person. We don't know why it works and unlike some here, don't care!!
 
I don't know about Hal's claim but....

lfigueroa said:
well, of course. If you totally believe HH.

On the phone he also told me that Bustamonte used his system.

When I asked him how he knew this, there was, at first, a long period of crickets chirping, followed by the sound of massive gear grindage as he tried to change the subject, until I pressed and he eventually admitted he didn't know this as a fact. It just *looked* to him that Bustamonte was using his system :-)

Lou Figueroa
who knows...
Greenleaf ain't around anymore
to confirm or deny
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I know for a fact Bustamonte uses CTE." Always coming in from the left to center". In his exact words. As I understand it , CTE may not have came from the Philippines , but it was developed there. Hal calls it his system but it was taught to him from someone else. Its been around a long time. There is more sharing of knowledge today than even 20 years ago. Good players didn't want you to get better. Why would they make you a tougher opponent? Many players took their hard earned knowledge with them to the grave. I am not saying CTE is the only way a person can become good at pocketing balls. I am saying I have been to Stan Shuffett's and PRO-ONE (Stan's version) is a very good system. It works for me. It just simplifies the aiming process.

Some of these discussions about CTE are so complex. Most of the post about them confuse me! And I have had instruction and play with the system. It's not that complex. If you want to know, go see someone that is qualified to teach it. There is not but a handful. IMO
 
JAW725 said:
You're right Lou, it doesn't work and your the best. Please Lou start to give lessons and if you already do, well thank God. I wish that I could just see the shots man and run racks with out really trying. Cheers to you and screw Aiming Systems, right!

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When people ask me for lessons (incredibly, they do on occasion) I send them to Mark Wilson :-)

And we was talking about the weirdness of CTE, not aiming systems in general, so no, let's not screw aiming systems, left!

Lou Figueroa
 
kevin s said:
I know for a fact Bustamonte uses CTE." Always coming in from the left to center". In his exact words. As I understand it , CTE may not have came from the Philippines , but it was developed there. Hal calls it his system but it was taught to him from someone else. Its been around a long time. There is more sharing of knowledge today than even 20 years ago. Good players didn't want you to get better. Why would they make you a tougher opponent? Many players took their hard earned knowledge with them to the grave. I am not saying CTE is the only way a person can become good at pocketing balls. I am saying I have been to Stan Shuffett's and PRO-ONE (Stan's version) is a very good system. It works for me. It just simplifies the aiming process.

Some of these discussions about CTE are so complex. Most of the post about them confuse me! And I have had instruction and play with the system. It's not that complex. If you want to know, go see someone that is qualified to teach it. There is not but a handful. IMO
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I got a chance to play Bustamonte at the DCC this year and was watching what he was doing pretty closely and it sure didn't look like anything close to CTE to me :-)

Lou Figueroa
but readily admits
he does not have
the super-duper
CTE decoder ring
 
lfigueroa said:
I got a chance to play Bustamonte at the DCC this year and was watching what he was doing pretty closely and it sure didn't look like anything close to CTE to me :-)

Lou Figueroa
but readily admits
he does not have
the super-duper
CTE decoder ring
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So what did it look like?
 
Here's the complete CTE story: it's not an aiming system; it's a confidence-building placebo. That doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people - placebos work for some people.

This is also why it can't be described by those who use it - they don't know it's a placebo. That's how placebos work.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Here's the complete CTE story: it's not an aiming system; it's a confidence-building placebo. That doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people - placebos work for some people.

This is also why it can't be described by those who use it - they don't know it's a placebo. That's how placebos work.

pj
chgo
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Stevie Moore loves placebo's.
 
I don't know the people voicing opinions or the various systems promoted but what's wrong with new information. I don't plan on using it because i don't understand it (we don't know what we don't know.)

I agree with fatboy's comments about Dr Dave not profiting from his articles and videos. I don't know him (Dr Dave) but if he wants to share his research that's his business we all have the option of not listening. Its like blaming a video game for influencing kids to whack 33 people.

You can tell he's an engineer (I come from a family of engineers, teachers and ministers) sounds like my late uncle he was a genius but he could make anything sound complicated.

I view this forum for new information not for gossip. This is a far better thread than the ones about who's not going to gamble with who.
 
Dr. Dave> The purpose for this thread is to arrive at a more accurate, complete, and understandable description of CTE. If it works as well as we have heard, and if there are sound reasons why it works, it should be easy to describe, illustrate, and/or demonstrate in a way that others can readily reproduce for a wide range of shots (with practice).


This thread has really failed to accomplish it's purpose don't you think. Some just took it as an opportunity to slam CTE, as to be expected. Why would I want to discuss, illustrate and/ or demonstrate anything with this hostile attitude from posters, I certainly don't want to be ridiculed while trying to help some understand.

This thread should just die, you now know fully that these discussions absolutely will go nowhere. If you really want to learn it :smile: you know where to find the answers. However if you believe that CTE is just a Placebo like effect then why pick?
 
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JAW725 said:
This thread has really failed to accomplish it's purpose don't you think. Some just took it as an opportunity to slam CTE, as to be expected. Why would I want to discuss, illustrate and/ or demonstrate anything with this hostile attitude from posters, I certainly don't want to be ridiculed while trying to help some understand.

This thread should just die, you now know fully that these discussions absolutely will go nowhere. If you really want to learn it :smile: you know where to find the answers. However if you believe that CTE is just a Placebo like effect then why pick?
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I don't see any hostile posts from Dr. Dave, I think he is genuinely trying to get more information. This is a pool forum. Sometimes discussions go well, sometimes they don't.
 
cookie man said:
Stevie Moore loves placebo's.
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Johnson has been down on Hal Houle and CTE for years. He used to call Hal, and put down the system. Hal got so he could spot Johnson's number on his caller ID and not answer the phone. Just stirs up trouble.
I haven't got to talk to Stevie since he moved back to Spartanburg, he's on the road quite a bit. I intend to get a hold of him in the near future, though.
 
I've tried to understand CTE and the other aiming systems (pivot this, tilt that) and I'm another one who just can't seem to grasp them. So I don't really have an opinion one way or the other.

I guess I'll just have to stick with the system I've always used: STC/SS (See The Cut/Shoot Shot). It's worked well enough over the years for me to enjoy the game, often at other people's expense.
 
Fatboy said:
I got lucky, on the square. Sometimes i catch a gear and spell good. Mostly I dog it. But I do my best.


thanks

Fatboy:smile:
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I caught a gear playing pool the other night, wow it felt great. What was even greater was the world champion who saw me do it and his complement. And his critizem too. You see I should have won 4 games that I lost, I didnt close good. He gave me a good lession and I am very greatful. He didnt realize I have that gear, sadly it dosent come out very often-he had no idea. After he saw it he really opened up with huge advice, things you cant buy. And for that I am honored and greatful, and humbled too.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
That would be a change. None of the descriptions quoted on your website make sense.
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Agreed. The current descriptions and illustrations "lack completeness." I still hope somebody out there can describe (or illustrate or demonstrate) CTE in a simple way that makes sense and allows one to apply it to a wide range of shots (i.e., tell us how the "fine adjustments" are made for the "tweener shots"). Until I see that, I will have doubts like you do.

Regards,
Dave
 
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