Perfect Aim Video and Lesson Phoenix

Well, Mojoe, I counted my CD's that I have bought for programs and I have 61 of them and they all work on my Computer. I hate to think that I have to buy another program to make Perfect Aim available to me or to hire someone to find a Decoder and install it that will work with Perfect Aim.
That's why I was hoping someone could help me work the problem out. As I said before it's not available to me at all right now.
Thanks, PastPrime.

You may be confusing CD's with DVD's. Gene's video is a DVD and not a CD. In order to play the DVD you need some sort of decoder (I believe someone mentioned InterVideo or WinDVD). Either of those would work but they do cost money.

Do you have a DVD player attached to your TV for watching movies? If so, just watch it on that and forget about watching it on the PC.

If you are able to watch other DVD movie on your PC but not Gene's DVD, then you have a problem with Gene's disc.

Hope that helps.
 
You may be confusing CD's with DVD's. Gene's video is a DVD and not a CD. In order to play the DVD you need some sort of decoder (I believe someone mentioned InterVideo or WinDVD). Either of those would work but they do cost money.

Do you have a DVD player attached to your TV for watching movies? If so, just watch it on that and forget about watching it on the PC.

If you are able to watch other DVD movie on your PC but not Gene's DVD, then you have a problem with Gene's disc.

Hope that helps.

Hi there,
I'm trying to figure this out also. The word is DVR. That is the name used for the way they are recorded. I'm doing some research myself..
Working on it Geno...............
 
Galveston?

The lesson is 250.00 and the video is 69.95. For the next few days before I leave the personal lesson and the video are 150.00 for both. The lesson takes about 1 to 2 hours. Call me 715-563-8712. Filling up the time slots.

Will you be anywhere near Galveston, Texas between 09/11 and 09/15? The big tournament there would surely offer a lot of players that could be interested in your product. Thanks.
 
Galvaston or bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will you be anywhere near Galveston, Texas between 09/11 and 09/15? The big tournament there would surely offer a lot of players that could be interested in your product. Thanks.

Hi there Krypto,
Tomorrow I leave for the Shooting Star Casino in Minn. for their big tournament there. I need the quick tuneup because I've been working on the new video for a week.

Then I am hoping that the editor will have the video completed and I will have some of the new Perfect Aim videos with me for Galvaston.

The drive from up here is 24hrs and that will be tough with only a day or two to get ready for the tournys.

My main reason for going there is to promote the video. The second is to win a tournament. The tournament will be tough because I almost feel like I'm out of stroke. But I'll tell you what. When Perfect Aim gets done with Texas there will be alot of happy pool players.

Who knows? I might even get lucky and win a tournament.

Thanks for asking... I'll see ya there Krypto Geno...................
 
Geno, It was nice meeting you. I really appreciate you helping me work out the couple issues I did not understand with Perfect Aim. It is starting to blend into my game really well. I am starting to be in the right location and not having to adjust. Perfect Aim has also noticeably improved my jump shots. Good luck in the tourneys.
 
Hey Geno, is there any chance that this thread could be moved to the wanted / for sale section?
thanks and have a good day.
 
Why do you ask that?

Hey Geno, is there any chance that this thread could be moved to the wanted / for sale section?
thanks and have a good day.

Hi there Derek,
I've really have alot of fun on AZ. It is by far the best pool site on the internet. This whole thing with Perfect Aim really all started by accident.

It is a way I can communicate with players everywhere. They can respond if they have trouble. They can debate about what they think about anything with pool. . They don't purchase anything from the site because I have my own site for that. I answer alot of questions for alot of players. I can actually play at a higher level. Most teachers can't. Not saying they aren't good teachers, I just think I have an edge in the advanced areas of the game.

When I go to a new area I can talk to everyone before I get there. After I leave that area I can still be contacted and talk to all the players.

Why would you want to take this away from me or take this help away from somebody else? I like to feel like I can contibute to this site so much and have.

Perfect Aim is one of the hottest topics not only in the US and Europe but everywhere else as well. The jury is still out on Perfect Aim and I'm having a blast giving lessons and playing pool.

When I won the Desert Classic in Phoenix the headlines read. Gene Albrecht came to Phoenix to promote his New Perfect Aim video but instead he showed everyone how well it worked first hand by winning the Desert Classic Tour stop.

Galvaston is next. maybe I can pull something off there. It's not an accident that I aim well. I really do know how. And you can learn too. It's really pretty simple.
On the cover of the video it reads: Think you know how to aim? Wait until you see this. The people that have learned Perfect Aim know this is a very true statement.

I'm soon going to do some advertising on AZ with Perfect Aim. Like I said Az Billiards is the best site in the country and I'm proud to be a member. Alot of nice players also that really care about the game they love. It's good to see.

Have a great day Geno..............
 
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How would perfect aim benefit a very right eye dominant player? Like ie. Earl and Neils?

Are you suggesting to train the left eye thus making them balance?:smile:

Thanks
 
Absolutely not.

How would perfect aim benefit a very right eye dominant player? Like ie. Earl and Neils?

Are you suggesting to train the left eye thus making them balance?:smile:

Thanks

Hi there,
Good question. Very few players shoot with only one eye like Earl and Neils. They don't experience all the battles that us mortals have trying to get both eyes in the proper position. This is the way their eyes and brains are wired. This is the way that they see the best.
One of the players earlier in the thread found out that when he moved the eyes to the correct position he just kept going and found out that all along he was one of these types of shooters. He shot with only one eye. Up until then he had struggled for years. He was delighted. He told me that if it hadn't of been that he bought the Perfect Aim video he probably never would have found out.
A friend of mine, Jordan Davis from the Kansas City area. can play both ways. He finally decided that he likes the one eye shooting and shoots really well. He wins alot of tournaments down there.

The theory that has been taught for so many years is so wrong. To keep the stick in the middle. The right spot for one player is not the right spot for everyone. It is different in regards to how dominant your dominant eye is.

The players that shoot really well with only one eye use one system the most.

I hope that answers your question. Have a great day geno............
 
I think that this thread is fine. It is good to hear what everyone thinks about Perfect Aim. With this many hits, it seems that most are fine with it being in the main forum.
 
Main Forum

Im sure perfect aim is great, but you dont think this thread has been advertising?

Derekdisco,

While I see your point, it is also obvious to me that many AZ posters like what Gene has to say about Perfect Aim and many of us would miss his posts if they were anywhere else.

I plan to get a copy of Perfect Aim soon and have enjoyed reading Gene's posts. Gene has given many good pool tips in these threads.

If AZBers read his posts carefully, you will garner pool knowledge that is very valuable.

Gene has several things going for him:
1. He plays incredibly well and that is demonstrated by his prowess in the tournaments as well as what other AZBers have reported.
2. Gene is an incredible salesman; maybe the best ever. LOL This irritates some people but it makes me laugh. I am a salesman at heart and have always been and I recognize that he is unique and appreciate that.
3. Gene plays well and HE COMMUNICATES VERY WELL.
4. Gene apparently can type easily and shows that in his posts, thereby not giving short cryptic notes.
5. Every AZBers who purchases Perfect Aim has personal access to Gene on his cell phone number. That is simply incredible. If you have a problem understanding something or a unique problem, you get to call him to discuss the problem.
6. Gene is selling a product that apparently is beneficial to a wide group of players.

I think Gene is probably one of the BEST THINGS that has ever happened to AZ Billiards and having him on the Main Forum is like having cake and ice cream.

Gene is making money selling Perfect Aim. We should all be so happy that someone who plays pool is making some money doing what he loves doing.

Gene has taken ribbing by me and many others about his prolific posts about Perfect Aim but unlike other competent players, he rolls with the punches and never gets angry and never retaliates in an angry way.

Gene has a website where people can purchase his product so he doesn't need AZ Marketplace to sell his product. That doesn't mean that he can't do something nice for Mike Howerton like becoming a charter member of AZ Billiards or something like that.

I just think that Gene has made a very nice contribution to AZ Billiards and his posting style is excellent.

I read his posts often and enjoy hearing him discuss what is going on in his mind. It's not often that you can get good players to discuss the many nuances of what it takes to play really well.

I seldom read any of the other forums so.........

Personally, I hope Gene stays around (in the Main Forum) for a very long time.

JoeyA
 
Actually the shankster so far misconstrued what is on the DVD that I suspected it was deliberate and decided not to reply to him. The video isn't about centering the cue stick or cue ball between your eyes. According to the shankster's figuring a thousand yard stare should have the edges of both balls in perfect focus. In reality with a thousand yard stare nothing is in focus.

Buy the DVD, don't buy it, but don't base your decision on a post that is way off base.

Hu

Hu, haven't had computer access for a couple days, and today found your post during my lunch, at work. I don't have time to elaborate now, but will later. Right now let me say I'm very disappointed in you for suggesting I intentionally misconstrued Gene's DVD content, so you didn't reply. You got a lotta balls and certainly don't know me. What I've said is from the heart and to the best of my knowledge. And, for your info, Gene finally did call me back and during that conversation he did acknowledge that with the cue centered, typically less than 1/8 inch adjustment is necessary. And I replied that's what I had said in my posts, and so the answer to my question was YES! Hu, you got your head up you-know-where. And you were an AZB'r so highly regarded that many of us entrusted you with the responsibility to review "Perfect Aim." Well, you let us down, AFAIC, cause you're being a nice little politician rather than objectively analyzing, as you should have. I know, I know, I heard your weak excuses. Well, don't be calling BS on me unless you understand the subject matter yourself, which you obviously don't. I will respond to all this later when I have time to do justice. By the way, your "thousand yard stare" are your words, and your misinterpretation of my statements. I really am surprised at you, Hu, I gave you so much more credit than this.
 
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Take it easy on Hu

Hu, haven't had computer access for a couple days, and today found your post during my lunch, at work. I don't have time to elaborate now, but will later. Right now let me say I'm very disappointed in you for suggesting I intentionally misconstrued Gene's DVD content, so you didn't reply. You got a lotta balls and certainly don't know me. What I've said is from the heart and to the best of my knowledge. And, for your info, Gene finally did call me back and during that conversation he did acknowledge that with the cue centered, typically less than 1/8 inch adjustment is necessary. And I replied that's what I had said in my posts, and so the answer to my question was YES! Hu, you got your head up you-know-where. And you were an AZB'r so highly regarded that many of us entrusted you with the responsibility to review "Perfect Aim." Well, you let us down, AFAIC, cause you're being a nice little politician rather than objectively analyzing, as you should have. I know, I know, I heard your weak excuses. Well, don't be calling BS on me unless you understand the subject matter yourself, which you obviously don't. I will respond to all this later when I have time to do justice. By the way, your "thousand yard stare" are your words, and your misinterpretation of my statements. I really am surprised at you, Hu, I gave you so much more credit than this.

Hi there Shankster,

I'm glad I finally got to help you with the Perfect Aim. I have to admit there was a failure to communicate and I was having difficulty understanding. This is why I like to talk to someone over the phone to take care of any questions. This cuts down any misunderstandings there could be. Some players need to adjust only 1/8 of an inch where others have to adjust 1 inch depending how far off they are from where they need to be. Like I say in the video. You need to move over until you come to the edge of the shot. How's that for saying alot without saying anything? Only someone with the video would understand that one...............

Hu did the best he could do with the info he had. He is very knowledgable and understands alot. I made the same mistake by not interpreting your statement right.

The answer to your question was yes once I talked to you and understood fully. I'm sure by now you are seeing alot of the quick benifits that come along with learning Perfect Aim.

This is why I like to talk to anyone in person that has any questions because then there can be no misunderstanding. The main thing is you are on your way to learning Perfect Aim.

Thanks again Call me again if need be Geno...................
 
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another intelligent and unbiased post from the shankster!

Hu, haven't had computer access for a couple days, and today found your post during my lunch, at work. I don't have time to elaborate now, but will later. Right now let me say I'm very disappointed in you for suggesting I intentionally misconstrued Gene's DVD content, so you didn't reply. You got a lotta balls and certainly don't know me. What I've said is from the heart and to the best of my knowledge. And, for your info, Gene finally did call me back and during that conversation he did acknowledge that with the cue centered, typically less than 1/8 inch adjustment is necessary. And I replied that's what I had said in my posts, and so the answer to my question was YES! Hu, you got your head up you-know-where. And you were an AZB'r so highly regarded that many of us entrusted you with the responsibility to review "Perfect Aim." Well, you let us down, AFAIC, cause you're being a nice little politician rather than objectively analyzing, as you should have. I know, I know, I heard your weak excuses. Well, don't be calling BS on me unless you understand the subject matter yourself, which you obviously don't. I will respond to all this later when I have time to do justice. By the way, your "thousand yard stare" are your words, and your misinterpretation of my statements. I really am surprised at you, Hu, I gave you so much more credit than this.




SS8,

I see your impression of me is as accurate as your impression of the DVD. You were way off base and your post seemed antagonistic then much like the one I am replying to. It didn't seem like something I cared to reply to as the combination of tone and content made the post seem deliberately misleading. I merely pointed out to the con artist that it was a poor post to make a decision based on, as it was. Somebody might as well judge me by your post you just made.

You look like a total ass now. I suggest you stop while you are behind.

Hu


(the post I said was a poor one to judge Perfect Aim by)

I purchased this DVD based partially on Gene's representations that he would answer any questions I might have. Well, it confuses me that, after purchasing the DVD, I can't get an answer to a simple yes or no question online. Instead, I get a reply saying call me. Then I call several times, clearly leaving voice messages, and telephone numbers, and I get no reply. Then I see Gene online and try to ask my question online again. Anyway, I think I've tried so hard to comprehend Gene's "system" that maybe I do. And, Me thinks his lesson is simply an obscure means of instructing us to center the cue between our eyes.

By the way, I measured the diameter of a cueball today and it is 2 1/4 inch (I previously thought it was 2 1/8 inch.). That is exactly my eyespan. So, when I'm making a center cueball hit, my eyes are perfectly aligned with the edges of the cueball, and I am in what Gene calls "Perfect Aim", I guess. Anyone with a wider eyespan, say 2 1/2 inch, which was the widest of six people I measured this AM, might be out of so-called "Perfect Aim" by 1/8", as I reason things. I see nowhere in the DVD, however, where it is explained how to compensate for that 1/8 inch. So I guess his secret message is to center the cue between your ears, you nincompoop, and pay me $80.

I may misunderstand things, but this all could have been avoided with a simple yes or no yesterday. But, now I am convinced that Gene had renegged on his assurances that he would answer my questions.

I'm just a diddly on this forum, but I suggest that the rest of you proceed with caution regarding "Perfect Aim".
 
Perfect Aim Hall Of FAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Derekdisco,

While I see your point, it is also obvious to me that many AZ posters like what Gene has to say about Perfect Aim and many of us would miss his posts if they were anywhere else.

I plan to get a copy of Perfect Aim soon and have enjoyed reading Gene's posts. Gene has given many good pool tips in these threads.

If AZBers read his posts carefully, you will garner pool knowledge that is very valuable.

Gene has several things going for him:
1. He plays incredibly well and that is demonstrated by his prowess in the tournaments as well as what other AZBers have reported.
2. Gene is an incredible salesman; maybe the best ever. LOL This irritates some people but it makes me laugh. I am a salesman at heart and have always been and I recognize that he is unique and appreciate that.
3. Gene plays well and HE COMMUNICATES VERY WELL.
4. Gene apparently can type easily and shows that in his posts, thereby not giving short cryptic notes.
5. Every AZBers who purchases Perfect Aim has personal access to Gene on his cell phone number. That is simply incredible. If you have a problem understanding something or a unique problem, you get to call him to discuss the problem.
6. Gene is selling a product that apparently is beneficial to a wide group of players.

I think Gene is probably one of the BEST THINGS that has ever happened to AZ Billiards and having him on the Main Forum is like having cake and ice cream.

Gene is making money selling Perfect Aim. We should all be so happy that someone who plays pool is making some money doing what he loves doing.

Gene has taken ribbing by me and many others about his prolific posts about Perfect Aim but unlike other competent players, he rolls with the punches and never gets angry and never retaliates in an angry way.

Gene has a website where people can purchase his product so he doesn't need AZ Marketplace to sell his product. That doesn't mean that he can't do something nice for Mike Howerton like becoming a charter member of AZ Billiards or something like that.

I just think that Gene has made a very nice contribution to AZ Billiards and his posting style is excellent.

I read his posts often and enjoy hearing him discuss what is going on in his mind. It's not often that you can get good players to discuss the many nuances of what it takes to play really well.

I seldom read any of the other forums so.........

Personally, I hope Gene stays around (in the Main Forum) for a very long time.

JoeyA

Hi there Joey,
I think I'm going to start of Perfect Aim Hall of FAME in the near future. When I do you are going will be the first inductee followed by MOJOE,Larry,Sam,Chuck,Bob,Tom,Andy,Chad,Justin,Mark,Beau,Demi,Jimmy,Gary and anyone else that has learned Perfect Aim.

All joking aside I appreciate what you said.

Bottom line is anyone that has learned Perfect Aim would know how important this is to any pool player that walks the face of the earth. Maybe someday Derek will find out??????????????

Have a great day..... See ya in Galvaston.....Geno............
 
I'm all for perfect aim etc, I think if you gave mike @ az a few copies to give away via forum contest or something, he could sticky this thread which would be a win win imo.
 
I'm all for perfect aim etc, I think if you gave mike @ az a few copies to give away via forum contest or something, he could sticky this thread which would be a win win imo.

I don't have an investment in Perfect Aim, but I like your idea DerekDisco.

Gene could do well by offering a copy to each of the Live Streamers in return for even more advertising. :woot: :dance:

Offhand I can quickly come up with a few Live Streamer names like AZBTV (mike and jerry), TAR, Matt90, BigTruck, FastLenny, Dagwoodz. Gene might have to hook up with AccuStats Studio. Actually that's not a bad idea. Gene probably could do well hooking up with Pat Fleming. He's got a first class operation.

JoeyA
 
SS8,

I see your impression of me is as accurate as your impression of the DVD. You were way off base and your post seemed antagonistic then much like the one I am replying to. It didn't seem like something I cared to reply to as the combination of tone and content made the post seem deliberately misleading. I merely pointed out to the con artist that it was a poor post to make a decision based on, as it was. Somebody might as well judge me by your post you just made.

You look like a total ass now. I suggest you stop while you are behind.

Hu


(the post I said was a poor one to judge Perfect Aim by)

Great reply, Hu, it is as meaningful as your review of "Perfect Aim". My impression of you has always been high, by the way, until you posted your belief that my interpretation of the DVD was so inaccurrate that you felt I was deliberately misinterpreting its content. Unfortunately Hu, Gene has affirmed that my post and conclusions are accurate. Even in his subsequent post (#674) he affirms that, but Gene is an excellent salesman and quickly cloaked the simple truth I was expounding on and stated that some people need to correct perhaps as much as an inch, Who, Hu, do you think he is referring to there? You, Me? No! He is referring to complete novices that don't have a clue - guys that barely know the difference between one end and the other of the cue. Guys that don't even understand that the cue should be placed beneath the eyes.

You say my post seemed antagonistic, and that I was way off base, and the combination of tone and content made the post seem deliberately misleading. Let me first say I posted a few other times earlier trying to get a simple yes or no answer that would allow me to conclude whether I understood "Perfect Aim. (Posts 573,599,603,629,634,636,637) I even asked for an answer from anyone who understood "Perfect Aim " - and that included you. But I could never even get a reply. I do apologize if i let frustration show in the post you are referring to, but you might read the other posts also to see if a little frustration can be rationalized.

Anyway, Hu, since there are others that still might be anticipating your review of "Perfect Aim" let me point a few things out that might help you along. I realize I've said this previously, and you're convinced it's way off base, but maybe this time it will sink in.

Most all of us have eyeballs that are separated by 2 1/4 to about 2 1/2 inch. A cueball has a diameter of about 2 1/4 inch . Therefore, if we center the cue between our eyes, the left eye sights along the left side of the cueball and the right eye sights along the right side of the cueball, very nearly. (For example, if your eyespan is 2/12 inches, and your cue is centered, you might have to move your head 1/8 inch to perfectly align an eye with the cueball edge.)

Now, let's say we want to make a cut to the right that requires a half ball hit on the object ball. When we get down on this shot with centered cue, we'll see a half ball overlap that is accurate, it is as simple as that - you can shoot to it. And Hu, forget your thousand yard stare here. Just sight to the object ball. The picture is accurate, because your cue is centered. If your cue isn't centered, you can't trust the overlap you see.

If you've got a 2 1/2 inch eyespan you might need to correct 1/8 inch. But mastery of that degree of correction is beyond the scope of this video. Notice that when our bridge arm is extended, our eyes are approximately 30 inches from the cueball. A lot of people shake more than the 1/8 inch head correction we're discussing. Assume your shooting stance and try to control a 1/8 inch head movement. And, when centering the cue, how close to center and how steady do you think the average man can hold that?

Hu, as I said before, the "system" is to center the cue between your eyes, because only in that position can we trust the cueball/objectball overlap image. I am not denying that some players play well not using this system - practice makes perfect.

Sorry if I still look like an ass, Hu! But I think you've seen the above "system" presented in such a convoluted manner that its basic simplicity escaped you.
 
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you are right, Gene is a scam artist

Great reply, Hu, it is as meaningful as your review of "Perfect Aim". My impression of you has always been high, by the way, until you posted your belief that my interpretation of the DVD was so inaccurrate that you felt I was deliberately misinterpreting its content. Unfortunately Hu, Gene has affirmed that my post and conclusions are accurate. Even in his subsequent post (#674) he affirms that, but Gene is an excellent salesman and quickly cloaked the simple truth I was expounding on and stated that some people need to correct perhaps as much as an inch, Who, Hu, do you think he is referring to there? You, Me? No! He is referring to complete novices that don't have a clue - guys that barely know the difference between one end and the other of the cue. Guys that don't even understand that the cue should be placed beneath the eyes.

You say my post seemed antagonistic, and that I was way off base, and the combination of tone and content made the post seem deliberately misleading. Let me first say I posted a few other times earlier trying to get a simple yes or no answer that would allow me to conclude whether I understood "Perfect Aim. (Posts 573,599,603,629,634,636,637) I even asked for an answer from anyone who understood "Perfect Aim " - and that included you. But I could never even get a reply. I do apologize if i let frustration show in the post you are referring to, but you might read the other posts also to see if a little frustration can be rationalized.

Anyway, Hu, since there are others that still might be anticipating your review of "Perfect Aim" let me point a few things out that might help you along. I realize I've said this previously, and you're convinced it's way off base, but maybe this time it will sink in.

Most all of us have eyeballs that are separated by 2 1/4 to about 2 1/2 inch. A cueball has a diameter of about 2 1/4 inch . Therefore, if we center the cue between our eyes, the left eye sights along the left side of the cueball and the right eye sights along the right side of the cueball, very nearly. (For example, if your eyespan is 2/12 inches, and your cue is centered, you might have to move your head 1/8 inch to perfectly align an eye with the cueball edge.)

Now, let's say we want to make a cut to the right that requires a half ball hit on the object ball. When we get down on this shot with centered cue, we'll see a half ball overlap that is accurate, it is as simple as that - you can shoot to it. And Hu, forget your thousand yeard stare here. Just sight to the object ball. The picture is accurate, because your cue is centered. If your cue isn't centered, you can't trust the overlap you see.

If you've got a 2 1/2 inch eyespan you might need to correct 1/8 inch. But mastery of that degree of correction is beyond the scope of this video. Notice that when our bridge arm is extended, our eyes are approximately 30 inches from the cueball. A lot of people shake more than the 1/8 inch head correction we're discussing. Assume your shooting stance and try to control a 1/8 inch head movement. And, when centering the cue, how close to center and how steady do you think the average man can hold that?

Hu, as I said before, the "system" is to center the cue between your eyes, because only in that position can we trust the cueball/objectball overlap image. I am not denying that some players play well not using this system - practice makes perfect.

Sorry if I still look like an ass, Hu! But I think you've seen the above "system" presented in such a convoluted manner that its basic simplicity escaped you.

You looked like an ass in the earlier posts, now you just look like somebody that pissed away eighty dollars while missing several core concepts of the video. You found one core concept and nothing else. I found three core concepts and a handful of helpful tips.


So I guess his secret message is to center the cue between your ears, you nincompoop, and pay me $80.

Gene is too nice a guy and too good of a salesman to be as blunt as I am. I said "Actually the shankster so far misconstrued what is on the DVD that I suspected it was deliberate and decided not to reply to him" If all you learned from the video was to center the cue stick between your ears you did indeed fail to get your money's worth.

There is one core concept I haven't made a decision about. Apparently you haven't gotten as far as grasping it is on the DVD yet. When and if I play with the concept long enough to see if it works I will comment on it. I did report on it in my post and said I hadn't tested enough to decide if it works. The other things work, I have been using them for years.

Hu
 
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