Where are all the pros......

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Mowem down

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Where are all the pros coming to the defense of this great and powerful CTE... And I dont want to hear about some guy that has never won a thing Im talking top players, Champions.

Like I said befor I have yet to ask a champion that Ive met how they aim and had them say CTE. As a matter of fact when I was haveing the aiming conversation with Nick Varner I couldnt even get him to agree that fractional aimng was worth a sh*t. When I brought it up with Dan Louie he said he'd listen to sombody explain it but has no desire to use it.

Im not saying it works or not, but I gotto tell you the more I read the crazier it gets. "Shot ark circle" that had me LOL. I must be screwed up, I would swear if I hit the ball srtaight it goes straight. I know that is not what its refering to but it sounds so stupid you have to laugh.
 
Aiming is largely individual and I think a lot of pros must realize that. Given that there are a lot of pros that learned using the ghost ball, fractional aiming, parallel lines etc, it's impossible to say one is neccessarily better than the other. As near as I can tell, the benefit of CTE is that it forces you to aim using your cue which is something that I think many amateurs overlook.

At the end of the day it's your stroke and alignement that pockets balls, knowing where to hit the OB is about 30% of the battle.
 
Mowem down said:
Where are all the pros coming to the defense of this great and powerful CTE... And I dont want to hear about some guy that has never won a thing Im talking top players, Champions.

Like I said befor I have yet to ask a champion that Ive met how they aim and had them say CTE. As a matter of fact when I was haveing the aiming conversation with Nick Varner I couldnt even get him to agree that fractional aimng was worth a sh*t. When I brought it up with Dan Louie he said he'd listen to sombody explain it but has no desire to use it.

Im not saying it works or not, but I gotto tell you the more I read the crazier it gets. "Shot ark circle" that had me LOL. I must be screwed up, I would swear if I hit the ball srtaight it goes straight. I know that is not what its refering to but it sounds so stupid you have to laugh.
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Sad to say: Not many pros on this board....SPF=randyg
 
JustPlay said:
what is cte?
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Center To Edge aiming. There are several variations of it but what it amounts to is it is "fractional" aiming. 1/4 ball, 1/2 ball, 3/4 ball, full ball hits, etc... Opinions on it are like ***holes, everbody has one!!! Believers, non believers, partial believers, and everthing in between. "Fractional" beliefs, if you will.... LOL Probably a good thing to learn from someone who truly knows how to teach CTE (Hal Houle, Tom Simpson, Randy G, Scott Lee, etc...) and then form your opinion from there. You may find it has merit, you may not, but it can't hurt to give it a shot....

JDUB, if you're tuning in by chance, I still need my instructional on it.....
 
The Saw said:
Center To Edge aiming. There are several variations of it but what it amounts to is it is "fractional" aiming. 1/4 ball, 1/2 ball, 3/4 ball, full ball hits, etc... Opinions on it are like ***holes, everbody has one!!! Believers, non believers, partial believers, and everthing in between. "Fractional" beliefs, if you will.... LOL Probably a good thing to learn from someone who truly knows how to teach CTE (Hal Houle, Tom Simpson, Randy G, Scott Lee, etc...) and then form your opinion from there. You may find it has merit, you may not, but it can't hurt to give it a shot....

JDUB, if you're tuning in by chance, I still need my instructional on it.....
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waiting for spiderwebcom to chime in here, but i dont believe that CTE is truely a "fractional" aiming method, although it is an aiming method. i believe it is hal houle's baby but randy g and scott lee wont be teaching it any time soon. there are about a million CTE threads you can search and dr dave has quite a bit about it on his site.

brian
 
pocketspeed said:
waiting for spiderwebcom to chime in here, but i dont believe that CTE is truely a "fractional" aiming method, although it is an aiming method. i believe it is hal houle's baby but randy g and scott lee wont be teaching it any time soon. there are about a million CTE threads you can search and dr dave has quite a bit about it on his site.

brian
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CTE is Stick Aiming but not particulaly Fractional Aiming.

CTE is great if you understand and can apply it.......SPF=randyg
 
The Saw said:
Center To Edge aiming. There are several variations of it but what it amounts to is it is "fractional" aiming. 1/4 ball, 1/2 ball, 3/4 ball, full ball hits, etc... Opinions on it are like ***holes, everbody has one!!! Believers, non believers, partial believers, and everthing in between. "Fractional" beliefs, if you will.... LOL Probably a good thing to learn from someone who truly knows how to teach CTE (Hal Houle, Tom Simpson, Randy G, Scott Lee, etc...) and then form your opinion from there. You may find it has merit, you may not, but it can't hurt to give it a shot....

JDUB, if you're tuning in by chance, I still need my instructional on it.....
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That description is about as far off as possible.

Randy and Scott do not teach CTE, unless something has changed lately.

You dont have to look very far to find CTE threads, and believe me they will be more than you want to read. Unfortunately those that really know CTE arent going to give up too much info on it. So if your interested do a little research on line, if you are still interested then figure out how to get in touch with one of the few people that actually teach it.
 
woody_968 said:
That description is about as far off as possible.
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Nice to know, but every time someone that is even more clueless than I am asks "What is it?" no one seems to want to actually give an answer! Your reply is a perfect example..... If I am so wrong, why not enlighten me?!?!?

Randy and Scott do not teach CTE, unless something has changed lately.

You dont have to look very far to find CTE threads, and believe me they will be more than you want to read. Unfortunately those that really know CTE arent going to give up too much info on it. So if your interested do a little research on line, if you are still interested then figure out how to get in touch with one of the few people that actually teach it.
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That is most likely the very reason I don't know what the hell I'm talking about! Every thread I have tried to read is for the most part 5 or 6 people arguing with each other and not one single person wants to truly explain what the hell CTE is. Someone asks "What is?" and all they get is crickets....
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The pros know where to aim the ball on just about all shots. Most have been playing a lot since they were quite young - when learning is easier - and they just know "if you hit it here it will go there". They've been playing so long and so much and have such talent that they just ... know. When I read that some pro uses CTE or some other system, I think "bullsh*t".

If some pro comes on here and says they use so-and-so's system, even then I would be skeptical - they might just be helping out a buddy who teaches. But I have never heard or seen in print any pro ever coming out and saying anything like this. An system teacher's or acolyte's word on this is not enough to convince me. And even if one or two did say they use a system, I'm quite sure most pros fall into the category of my first paragraph.

Aiming systems are for those who lack what the pros have - an early start, a long dedication to the game, talent, an awful lot of time spent on the table, and for many, having to play for the groceries.
 
The Saw said:
Nice to know, but every time someone that is even more clueless than I am asks "What is it?" no one seems to want to actually give an answer! Your reply is a perfect example..... If I am so wrong, why not enlighten me?!?!?



That is most likely the very reason I don't know what the hell I'm talking about! Every thread I have tried to read is for the most part 5 or 6 people arguing with each other and not one single person wants to truly explain what the hell CTE is. Someone asks "What is?" and all they get is crickets....
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Here goes another 400 post thread on "aiming systems". (shame on you for starting it Saw..:))

The ASS guy's (Aiming System Supporters) will soon be telling each other they don't know what they're talking about, and they will choose up sides, and go at, until somebody gets pissed and calls the other guy a stupid idiot. (or worse)
This has been going on forever on these forums. Where's Patrick Johnson, he'll get the ball rolling..:eek:

Like Saw said, CTE, BHE, and all the other acronyms, are used by frustrated mathematical engineer types...trying to put an equation on something that will explain to them, in numerical terms, why they can't make a f-ing ball.

All pro's have their little aiming tricks, but NONE of them involve a protractor or a slide rule. They KNOW where to hit the ball, and allow for skid, swerve, wet-dry conditions, or any of dozens of other variables. It's called, repetition and retention..It's also called SKILL, and it cannot be simplified, by making it more complicated. You have it, or you don't..period !

Could Tom Brady teach EVERY school kid who loved the game...how to throw a football like he does? Of course he couldn't.

Aiming Systems are fine....for absolute beginner's...in order to progress any further, you will definately NOT need a BA in mathematical engineering...and thats a FACT.
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The Saw said:
Nice to know, but every time someone that is even more clueless than I am asks "What is it?" no one seems to want to actually give an answer! Your reply is a perfect example..... If I am so wrong, why not enlighten me?!?!?



That is most likely the very reason I don't know what the hell I'm talking about! Every thread I have tried to read is for the most part 5 or 6 people arguing with each other and not one single person wants to truly explain what the hell CTE is. Someone asks "What is?" and all they get is crickets....
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Fair enough, I just didnt want to go too far with this thread for fear it will go into one of the long running arguments like many of the other threads where CTE is mentioned.

Disclaimer: I have VERY limited knowledge of CTE, so please dont ask for details. I will however try to explain the difference per your description.

CTE is Not fractional aiming, as in using full, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 aims. It only uses aiming the center of the CB at an edge of the OB, and then an adjustment (or shift) is made with the cue in order to pocket the ball.

Hal Houle was the first that I heard of that was teaching it, and I believe it was his system. He has created several different systems to help people play better. He never charged for lessons, often given over the phone. Most of the people that have learned one or more of his systems do not give out much info, as he did/does not want them spread all over the net and does not want people making money off of something that he has given away freely.

There are a few instructors that either modified his teachings enough to feel ok with charging for info, or possibly received his blessing to teach some of his material.

As far as the pros go, no one comes out and says that they use CTE or a variation there of. But if you learn a little about the system you will see some pros that sure look like they are going through some of the steps that are used in the system.

IMO if it works its strength would lie in having a systematic way to set up to every shot, and aiming at a definable part of the ball for every shot.

Woody <---- knows enough to get him in trouble. And also respects the wishes of the person that doesnt want it plastered all over the net.
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SJDinPHX said:
The Saw said:
Here goes another 400 post thread on "aiming systems". (shame on you for starting it Saw..:))

The ASS guy's (Aiming System Supporters) will soon be telling each other they don't know what they're talking about, and they will choose up sides, and go at, until somebody gets pissed and calls the other guy a stupid idiot. (or worse)
This has been going on forever on these forums. Where's Patrick Johnson, he'll get the ball rolling..:eek:

Like Saw said, CTE, BHE, and all the other acronyms, are used by frustrated mathematical engineer types...trying to put an equation on something that will explain to them, in numerical terms, why they can't make a f-ing ball.

All pro's have their little aiming tricks, but NONE of them involve a protractor or a slide rule. They KNOW where to hit the ball, and allow for skid, swerve, wet-dry conditions, or any of dozens of other variables. It's called, repetition and retention..It's also called SKILL, and it cannot be simplified, by making it more complicated. You have it, or you don't..period !

Could Tom Brady teach EVERY school kid who loved the game...how to throw a football like he does? Of course he couldn't.

Aiming Systems are fine....for absolute beginner's...in order to progress any further, you will definately NOT need a BA in mathematical engineering...and thats a FACT.
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Couldn't agree more!!! It takes a "true" player like yourself to realize that. I've picked the brains of a lot of todays best about aiming and most can't even begin to tell you how they aim. Repetition is the mother of all skill....
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Aiming is largely on Exspereince an learning the half ball shot edge to edge center ball qaurter hit ball stuff like that the ghost ball too an if ur playing everyday u can hitting the ball an making it is Automatic
 
woody_968 said:
The Saw said:
Fair enough, I just didnt want to go too far with this thread for fear it will go into one of the long running arguments like many of the other threads where CTE is mentioned.

Disclaimer: I have VERY limited knowledge of CTE, so please dont ask for details. I will however try to explain the difference per your description.

CTE is Not fractional aiming, as in using full, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 aims. It only uses aiming the center of the CB at an edge of the OB, and then an adjustment (or shift) is made with the cue in order to pocket the ball.

Hal Houle was the first that I heard of that was teaching it, and I believe it was his system. He has created several different systems to help people play better. He never charged for lessons, often given over the phone. Most of the people that have learned one or more of his systems do not give out much info, as he did/does not want them spread all over the net and does not want people making money off of something that he has given away freely.

There are a few instructors that either modified his teachings enough to feel ok with charging for info, or possibly received his blessing to teach some of his material.

As far as the pros go, no one comes out and says that they use CTE or a variation there of. But if you learn a little about the system you will see some pros that sure look like they are going through some of the steps that are used in the system.

IMO if it works its strength would lie in having a systematic way to set up to every shot, and aiming at a definable part of the ball for every shot.

Woody <---- knows enough to get him in trouble. And also respects the wishes of the person that doesnt want it plastered all over the net.
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TY! I can live with that and will sleep better at night now, lol....
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woody_968 said:
The Saw said:
Fair enough, I just didnt want to go too far with this thread for fear it will go into one of the long running arguments like many of the other threads where CTE is mentioned.

Disclaimer: I have VERY limited knowledge of CTE, so please dont ask for details. I will however try to explain the difference per your description.

CTE is Not fractional aiming, as in using full, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 aims. It only uses aiming the center of the CB at an edge of the OB, and then an adjustment (or shift) is made with the cue in order to pocket the ball.

Hal Houle was the first that I heard of that was teaching it, and I believe it was his system. He has created several different systems to help people play better. He never charged for lessons, often given over the phone. Most of the people that have learned one or more of his systems do not give out much info, as he did/does not want them spread all over the net and does not want people making money off of something that he has given away freely.

There are a few instructors that either modified his teachings enough to feel ok with charging for info, or possibly received his blessing to teach some of his material.

As far as the pros go, no one comes out and says that they use CTE or a variation there of. But if you learn a little about the system you will see some pros that sure look like they are going through some of the steps that are used in the system.

IMO if it works its strength would lie in having a systematic way to set up to every shot, and aiming at a definable part of the ball for every shot.

Woody <---- knows enough to get him in trouble. And also respects the wishes of the person that doesnt want it plastered all over the net.
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Woody, Just please remember...Pool ain't Bowling, where you start out with the SAME shot every time. :rolleyes:
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