Best pool-shooting advice you've ever gotten from this site

[Neil]

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[woody_968]

If you look at the cb last- you strike the cb where you want to, but, are you on the right line? You have to quick look up right after contact to be able to see what happens. If you don't, you don't know what happened.

I agree with this, and it is in my original post.


I believe it is much easier to look at the ob last. You should look at the cb several times during your warmup strokes. This ensures that you are indeed going to hit it where you want to. Then, focus on the ob. Focusing on the ob gives your subconscious a good picture of just what you want to have happen. What contact point, what speed. You already have what english from looking at the cb several times, and having that already grooved in.

Your subconscious is what actually shoots the shot. By looking at the ob last, you are feeding it with needed info.

This is what I question. I agree that we are feeding our subconscious mind, but that can also be done during set up and warm up strokes.

A golfer feeds his mind during his preshot routine. He decides the shape of the shot, that line to start the ball on, how high or low. But once he is lined up and ready to perform he is looking at the ball.

I understand that the golf swing is more complicated and physical than a pool stroke but I do think it shows you can retain the needed information long enough to complete the stroke.

See Reply above in blue.

 

[pooltchr]

Wow, this gets the "Pot, kettle, black" award in my book.

If you want to talk about leaving things unsaid, please take a look in the mirror, or go back you your epic response to my "Favorite cueball only drills" thread where you said, "Um, I like motherdrill #1".

Like I said in that thread, ANY chance of buying your DVD's went out the window for me, and probably several others.

Why don't you just close every post with "Randy G = buy my DVD" since you don't really contribute anything to anybody's posts anyway.

I don't know why I didn't do this before, but welcome to my ignore list dumbass...:wave:

I have never put anyone on ignore on any forum, because I believe(d) that everyone has the potential to offer something of value. I may be reconsidering that stand.

You were given every piece of information you asked for on that post. The fact that you don't know what to do with the information isn't anyone's fault but your own. I told you exactly how to do mother drill number 1. Scott Lee told you what it is designed to do.

I think your cup may be overflowing.

Steve

 

[Neil]

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[Cornerman]

Look at it this way, in every other sport in the world where do they look at before they deliver the shot, stroke or whatever.

Shooting Bow/Gun= last look target (bullseye)
Basketball= target(basket)
Baseball=target(ball)
Football=target(reciever)
Soccer=target(goal)
Boxing=Target
GOLF= Target(ball)

so why would billiards and pool be any different?

Because pool has more than one target. It has three.

Not that I disagree with you, but that's why analogies are tough to come by when it comes to "what to look at last." Golf might be the closest. Bowling really isn't close.

In a simplistic view, the object ball target point might seem the most important to many aimers. I think a good case can be made for many that have the cueball contact point as their main target point. That's probably why on certain shots, "cueball last" makes sense without violation of anyone's set approach.

Fred

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Randy makes his living selling the info, and you want to put him on ignore because he won't give it away for free. WOW!

I don't have anybody on ignore, but I often just skip Randy's posts because so many of them are nothing but ads for himself. He's probably an OK guy, but if he ever says anything that would convince me to want his instruction I'll probably miss it.

pj
chgo

 

[dr_dave]

Dr. Dave probably has the most helpful website for us. He has done a great job on his video work. BUT...all that glitters is not GOLD. I think Dr. Dave leaves a few things...unsaid.....SPF=randyg

Randy,

I sent you a PM and e-mail message earlier today and provided my e-mail address and phone number, but I still haven't heard from you. Honestly, I think it is bad form to publicly claim that my resources "leave a few things ... unsaid" but then don't tell me (privately or publicly) why you feel this way. I still hope you will share any concerns or disagreements you have with my resources. Please be specific. I will be happy to respond and discuss the issues. I think we can both learn something in the process.

Regards,
Dave

 

[randyg]

I don't have anybody on ignore, but I often just skip Randy's posts because so many of them are nothing but ads for himself. He's probably an OK guy, but if he ever says anything that would convince me to want his instruction I'll probably miss it.

pj
chgo

You have already had some....SPF=randyg

 

[randyg]

Randy,

I sent you a PM and e-mail message earlier today and provided my e-mail address and phone number, but I still haven't heard from you. Honestly, I think it is bad form to publicly claim that my resources "leave a few things ... unsaid" but then don't tell me (privately or publicly) why you feel this way. I still hope you will share any concerns or disagreements you have with my resources. Please be specific. I will be happy to respond and discuss the issues. I think we can both learn something in the process.

Regards,
Dave

Dr. Dave
Had a very rough day today. Getting ready for a hip replacement this Tuesday. Pain pills don't do much.

Sorry to leave you hanging. Yes, I got your email and Yes I will return my observations in private.

As I stated, you have the best web site available. Hope to make it even better.

Regards and Happy Holidays
Randy Goettlicher

 

[Neil]

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[pocketpared]

Know all the adjustments.

Know all the adjustments. Last 2, last 3 and I break, wild 8, call 8, call 8 no combos, etc. Then match up 3 adjustments away from the right game and rob the guy. Next match up 2 adjustments from the right game and rob the guy. Then match up 1 adjustment from the right game and rob the guy. Then, when it's a fair game, find another game. You can't make money in a fair game.

Given at South Philly Billiards in its heyday. When you're paying your rent with your winnings, it's pretty good advice to follow.

 

[woody_968]

There is one big difference in comparing a golf swing to a pool stroke though. In the golf swing, you can look at the golf ball, and then you have ample time to look up and feed your subconscious on everything happening with the shot. In pool, you don't have near as much time to change your focus of attention and actually see what happens.

You are switching back and forth between information before the shot and information after, unless I misunderstood your previous post.

I agree to an extent with you about the information after, that's why I made that point in my first post on the subject. That being said, on most shots I think there would be enough time to receive the information needed, but I have not shot that way enough to say that positively.

In golf one of the biggest misnomers is "keep your head down". No good golfer keeps his head down after the shot is struck, and in fact some rotate their head in the direction of the shot before they hit the ball. But most allow the head to rotate up and the eyes follow the ball.

In golf, the only time I tried to keep my head in the same position and not watch the ball was in putting. In practice my goal was to see the blade of grass that was under the ball AFTER my putter had passed this position. In play on long puts of course I would look up before the ball reached the hole to see break around the hole if I missed. But on 3 and 4 footers I would not move until I heard the ball hit the bottom of the cup.

On some days I had to stand there for a looooonnnngggg time :grin:

 

[robleyf7]

I have never put anyone on ignore on any forum, because I believe(d) that everyone has the potential to offer something of value. I may be reconsidering that stand.

You were given every piece of information you asked for on that post. The fact that you don't know what to do with the information isn't anyone's fault but your own. I told you exactly how to do mother drill number 1. Scott Lee told you what it is designed to do.

I think your cup may be overflowing.

Steve

whats Mother Drill an whats it going to make better in my game i.m curious sorry

 

[pocketspeed]

whats Mother Drill an whats it going to make better in my game i.m curious sorry

"mother drills" are a set of simple drills taught by SPF (Set, Pause, Finish) instructors to help you develop a correct repeatable stroke (pendulum stroke) and also speed control. there would be no way to tell whether these drills would make you game better without taking a lesson with an SPF instructor. you may already use this method and if you dont you wouldnt benefit unless you were willing change how you swing the cue. although maybe the speed drills might help.

brian

 

[SCCues]

What she is referring to is the portion of the PSR from the time you plant your back foot to the time when your bridge hand finally hits the table.

By locking on to your contact point as you go through your pivot you naturally come down in proper alignment with amazing accuracy, which drastically cuts down the need to make adjustments once you are down on the table. Another benefit is that it eliminates the need to re-acquire the target once you are down on the table and you start out with an accurate "image" when you go into your personal eye patterns.

I actually learned that from an old timer much earlier. Unfortunately like a lot of people he knew what he was trying to say but just did not know how to express himself well. He referred to it as loosing "it". Tina just put things into terms I could better understand and the light bulb turned on.

BTW I am not trying to suggest this is the "best" tip I have picked up from AZ since there are many, I just posted one that has always been a stand out for me.

Cheers,

Dave

This makes a lot of sense to me and i'm going to see if i'm doing this the next time I get to play. I don't think I focus on the contact point to the degree you are talking about and this tip may help me. Thanks for the explanation.

James

 

[SCCues]

Let me clarify, I am NOT pointing the stick at the contact point. I am dropping down into the shot plane using the contact point of the OB as a reference point (since it can be seen) and matching it up the contact point on the front of the of the CB. For me at least, this method is much more accurate than shooting at imagined targets such as the center of a ghost ball.

Hope that explains it.

Cheers,

Dave

This is how I aim and since I switched to a low deflection Predator shaft, so I don't have to allow for deflection, my game jumped up drastically. I was having a problem on certain cut angles with aiming and allowing for deflection before I started using Predator shafts, but now it's much easier for me. Low deflection shafts aren't for everyone as i've read here on the forum, but they improved my game and confidence tremendously.

James

 

[dr_dave]

Thanks Randy. I look forward to seeing and learning from you observations, when you are in a better "place."

I hope the surgery goes well. My father recently got a new hip, and it has radically improved his life. I wish the same for you.

Best regards,
Dave

Dr. Dave
Had a very rough day today. Getting ready for a hip replacement this Tuesday. Pain pills don't do much.

Sorry to leave you hanging. Yes, I got your email and Yes I will return my observations in private.

As I stated, you have the best web site available. Hope to make it even better.

Regards and Happy Holidays
Randy Goettlicher

 

[pooltchr]

Thanks Randy. I look forward to seeing and learning from you observations, when you are in a better "place."

I hope the surgery goes well. My father recently got a new hip, and it has radically improved his life. I wish the same for you.

Best regards,
Dave

Two new hips in a year! He's going to end up being the $6 million dollar man!!!

:grin:

Steve

 

[onepocketron]

Reading all the posts about pool school, which prompted me to book and attend pool school with Randy G. Without the feed back from these posts, I probably would never have done it....and I am excited about the results I am starting to see.

 

[randyg]

Reading all the posts about pool school, which prompted me to book and attend pool school with Randy G. Without the feed back from these posts, I probably would never have done it....and I am excited about the results I am starting to see.

How are your Mother Drills coming along? I think it's time to move to Stage two of your homework. Let's go test out new game a little.

Keep up the good work
randyg