SO, Whats your thoughts on the JB Case Video?

[Snapshot9]

Cases

I am sure John is just trying to make the best case he can, but I am pretty sure it would be too expensive for me, or just more money than I want to spend on a case.

Protection is not my main goal in a case, versitility is, and how much it weighs is also a main consideration. You see my case goes from the front closet to my car to the Pool room (care is taken at the Pool room) back to my car and back to the closet. As long as a case has reasonable protection, I am more interested in 'how easy is the case to use'.

I like Jack's cases, but frankly, the pockets look too stiff to me, and the pockets on Jim Murnak's cases are the main reason why they interested me.

There are 2 kinds of people in the world, those that take care of their stuff, and those that don't. I don't abuse my stuff, so I really don't need the 'Fail safe' protection that John seems to be trying to obtain.

 

[Eric.]

I've only watched the one vid where JB is dropping a cue butt, pin down, down a tube, falling 3-4 feet into a case lid. IMO, the test is irrelevant and inconclusive as to whether one case (or case lid) offers better protection over the other. The main reason is that no cue case (that I know of) has 3-4 feet of space between the butt pin and the lid. If there is only, say, 1 inch between the pin and the lid, dropping a butt from 4 feet away from the lid is not an accurate simulation.

While I can appreciate JB's attempt to do some sort of comaprison testing, I think the tests need to reflect actual, real life scenarios.


Eric

 

[JB Cases]

Interesting. But surely by now you must know that John is fanatical. In some, it can be a good quality. In John, I'm not so sure. While he strives for perfection in his product (a good quality for a craftsman), that determination often leaves him putting his foot in his mouth and going back on his word (a bad quality for an individual AND a craftsman).

I remember not too long ago John making the statement that he was going to stop his guerrilla warfare-style posting and attacks on others as the result of being heartbroken due to the untimely loss of a dear friend of his. That tragedy made him realize that life is too short and too precious to get caught up in a lot of this crap. And yet, here we are again.

Needless to say, whatever promises he makes about 'reeling it in' or 'letting it go', you can bet its only until he thinks of his next plan of attack. Sadly, it just makes him look foolish and infantile.

Then you don't remember very well. I did say that I thought all this is futile after Edwin died. Edwin was unfortunately not my dear friend, he was the barest of online acquaintances and the regret was that I didn't pursue a friendship with him.

Edwin died fighting for what he believed in. He of all people would applaud me for standing up for myself. It's in very bad taste for you to bring him into this conversation.

Now. The fact is that you don't know what was said between Mr. Justis and myself. I have done nothing other than what I said I would do.

What I told Mr. Justis in private is in complete compliance with what I am doing. If I need to then I will address questions and concerns related to my own testing and methods used. That is what I am doing.

Your attempt to analyze my motivation is far off the mark and utterly tasteless.

I did fall short of my goal after Edwin died to let go of the animosities. I tried. But it's not as easy as people like you make it out to be.

Let me be fully clear about something though. I could truly give a shit about what you think of me. Got it. So save your nonsense and amateur hour pyschobabble. You have no clue what motivates a person to do what they do. For all you know I could be in this purely for the money and have absolutely zero interest in "perfection". The fact is you don't know jack about me so you're wasting your breath.

The people that I care about what they think of me are a very tight circle of friends and family. And those folks know what motivates me and who I am. Trolls such as yourself have no bearing on the direction of my life.

As the great Mr. Justis told me just the other day and I SHOULD have listened to him on this - ignore the trolls, so with that on the ignore list you go.

 

[JB Cases]

I've only watched the one vid where JB is dropping a cue butt, pin down, down a tube, falling 3-4 feet into a case lid. IMO, the test is irrelevant and inconclusive as to whether one case (or case lid) offers better protection over the other. The main reason is that no cue case (that I know of) has 3-4 feet of space between the butt pin and the lid. If there is only, say, 1 inch between the pin and the lid, dropping a butt from 4 feet away from the lid is not an accurate simulation.

While I can appreciate JB's attempt to do some sort of comaprison testing, I think the tests need to reflect actual, real life scenarios.


Eric

Sure. That test was designed to see what happens with more force than normally would be placed on the cue. I also thought that since I was using just the tube and not actual cases that perhaps if I dropped it at the height a case might be then it would be less force because the case weight would also be driving it.

I am not an engineer so I welcome any and all suggestions as to how to set up these tests and carry them out. Whatever you all think the best way to test out various things is good with me - tell me how to do it and I will try to carry it out the way you suggest.

Another thing to consider is that in the drop tests using actual cases the pin was sitting on the wood as it was dropped.

The whole point of all this is that we are learning what happens. If the end result is that we learn what sort of padding is best to protect the cue from a four foot drop AND we can be fairly confident that a cue would survive the odd four foot drop anyway then everyone, inlcluding those that have cases which don't hold the cue snugly, can rest easier knowing that this idea has actually been tested.

It's not to show that any one particular brand or thing is weaker than another. It's to try and separate myth and assumption and hype from reality and show if what actually happens meets with our beliefs or not.

If you read Skor's analysis and then look at the results again you might find that according to him making a deeper hole might actually be better for the cue than a lid with more resistance. ie less visible damage to the lid could mean that the cue suffered more shock.

I wouldn't say that the tests so far are inconclusive but I think that at least those watching, both consumers and case makers can get a better feel for whatever it is that they are using or making and thereby modify them if they feel the need to.

We mod all kinds of things in life and cue cases should not be any different. Nothing is sacred. If you own it then it's yours to do with what you want and if my information helps in that direction then I think that's a good thing.

I mean seriously, cue case making is pretty low on the list of contributions to humanity. So within this noble profession I choose to go my own way and do what I feel is best to show my vision of the craft.

So let me know what you want to see as far as testing goes and if it's feasible and reasonable then I'll do it. I am really excited to get into this and play around. If you ever wanted to build cases then this is your chance to have me do the experimenting for you because I will if you tell me what to do. Let's all have some fun with it and let the animosities and dick measuring go.

 

[JB Cases]

I am sure John is just trying to make the best case he can, but I am pretty sure it would be too expensive for me, or just more money than I want to spend on a case.

Protection is not my main goal in a case, versitility is, and how much it weighs is also a main consideration. You see my case goes from the front closet to my car to the Pool room (care is taken at the Pool room) back to my car and back to the closet. As long as a case has reasonable protection, I am more interested in 'how easy is the case to use'.

I like Jack's cases, but frankly, the pockets look too stiff to me, and the pockets on Jim Murnak's cases are the main reason why they interested me.

There are 2 kinds of people in the world, those that take care of their stuff, and those that don't. I don't abuse my stuff, so I really don't need the 'Fail safe' protection that John seems to be trying to obtain.

Check out some of the new cases at www.cuesight.com and www.billiardwarehouse.com in the Sterling and Wave series. Those have my interiors and some have nice roomy pockets. And they are all below $200.

 

[skor]

John,
I think that the most common "accident" is of a case falling on its side. I believe in this scenario the chances for damage to cues is higher if the cue part rattle inside the case, especially if the parts can hit each other.

I don't think that a vertical drop (that is rare for itself) will cause so much damage to the cue as the cue is designed to handle this such of pressure just from hitting the balls during normal play. The cues are much more vulnerable to force applied to its side.

so lets see a loaded case fall on its side, mark any current damages to the cue parts (dings, dents, chips, scratches etc.) and look for new ones after the drop.

Just a suggestion....

 

[mia]

Then you don't remember very well. I did say that I thought all this is futile after Edwin died. Edwin was unfortunately not my dear friend, he was the barest of online acquaintances and the regret was that I didn't pursue a friendship with him.

Edwin died fighting for what he believed in. He of all people would applaud me for standing up for myself. It's in very bad taste for you to bring him into this conversation.

Its not in poor taste to bring up a public declaration that you seem to be flying in the face of John. Not at all. You made a statement that was sparked by and extremely unfortunate and tragic situation. You made a claim that it sort of 'awakened' you. Now here you are just a few short months later, knee deep in what is not your FIRST online battle since the tragedy that supposedly changed you.

What is in bad taste is for you to try and promote your product by slamming another. You are maniacal John. Obsessive to say the least. Its one thing to try and make a point but to make videos of rediculous tests that don't prove much, post them online, square off with others in public forums, etc., etc., etc.. its ludicrous and moronic. You make yourself look worse with every bitter post on the matter.

Now. The fact is that you don't know what was said between Mr. Justis and myself. I have done nothing other than what I said I would do.

Just because you said you would do it doesn't make it any less foolish and vindictive. It doesn't make you look any better. It makes you look kinda... well, crazy. Obsessive. And not in a good way.

What I told Mr. Justis in private is in complete compliance with what I am doing. If I need to then I will address questions and concerns related to my own testing and methods used. That is what I am doing.

Your attempt to analyze my motivation is far off the mark and utterly tasteless.

That's comical. You post video after video, forum post after forum post, thread after thread, all trying to slam Jack and his case construction... and what I'm doing is tasteless.

I did fall short of my goal after Edwin died to let go of the animosities. I tried. But it's not as easy as people like you make it out to be.

Its easy. Just let it go. You have a successful business with many loyal customers. That should be more than enough. You don't see some of the truly great cuemakers like Dennis Searing, Ron Haley, Bob Manzino, Tony Scianella, etc. posting here every day trying to show how much better their cues are than the competition. Do you? No. They let the work speak for themselves. And when the naysayers pop their heads up, they take it in stride. They don't resort to posting immature videos trying to prove they are the best.

Let me be fully clear about something though. I could truly give a shit about what you think of me. Got it. So save your nonsense and amateur hour pyschobabble. You have no clue what motivates a person to do what they do. For all you know I could be in this purely for the money and have absolutely zero interest in "perfection". The fact is you don't know jack about me so you're wasting your breath.

If that really is true, you'll sweep this post under the rug and senseless drivel from someone who doesn't affect what you do one way or another. I'd be willing to bet you don't do that. We'll see...

The people that I care about what they think of me are a very tight circle of friends and family. And those folks know what motivates me and who I am. Trolls such as yourself have no bearing on the direction of my life.

As the great Mr. Justis told me just the other day and I SHOULD have listened to him on this - ignore the trolls, so with that on the ignore list you go.

And with that, the choice seems clear... buy a Justis.

 

[SK Custom Cues]

I've only watched the one vid where JB is dropping a cue butt, pin down, down a tube, falling 3-4 feet into a case lid. IMO, the test is irrelevant and inconclusive as to whether one case (or case lid) offers better protection over the other. The main reason is that no cue case (that I know of) has 3-4 feet of space between the butt pin and the lid. If there is only, say, 1 inch between the pin and the lid, dropping a butt from 4 feet away from the lid is not an accurate simulation.

While I can appreciate JB's attempt to do some sort of comaprison testing, I think the tests need to reflect actual, real life scenarios.


Eric

Oh don't worry, you'll get the testing. It will include whatever you request too.

Real life scenarios off the top of my head would include:

Standing your case up against a pool chair or a wall.
Chunking your case into the trunk or car seat
Putting it through baggage at the airport
Dragging it on the ground
Placing it on the table horizontally with it open or closed
Carrying it upside down, right side up,
or horizontally with it either open or closed
Spilling drinks/food on it or in it
Getting it run over by a car

That's all I can think of....... and I'm sure John has the spirit to do all of the testing if not more. He has the spirit of ten people which is why he is so successful. I was blind to only notice what I wanted to see. I thought he was just slamming Jack and there is more to it than that. He makes a superb product and I think with John's spirit, there is nothing he cannot do.

My honest opinion is this:

I like the looks of JJ's case (ie. Reyes case). Overall, the look, and the design is all there. I think his interior does the job more than adequately, but my opinion doesn't compare to that of JB's who has much more experience than I do.

I think JB's cases are, without a doubt also a beautiful and finely made case with a structurally sound interior that has been taken to the next level and also may rival JJ's interior, but that is, again, only my opinion.

This case making business goes way beyond me and I respectfully yield to JB and whatever he trying to accomplish I hope he finds what he is looking for and I hope he does it without making himself or the sport look bad that is my primary concern.............

For what it's worth, I personally think JB's interior looks like it does a better job even though I have never seen it in person. I can't say for sure. I will just have to go out and buy one and see for myself.

What I won't do is try to convince Jack to change his interior, cause first of all, in my book it works just fine and second, it isn't my place.......Some may say that JB cases are better or JJ cases are better and that is all subjective. To each his own is my point.

Jack will make his case however he feels he should make it and John should make his case however he should, and no one should force their opinions on anyone which are the examples I attempted to reflect in my previous posts, but there is more to it here than just what I can see and I apologize publicly to anyone whom I may have offended.

I wish both case makers and the fans of each the best in their quest for the best in their own regard......

I apologize to John if he or anyone who shares the same outlook took what I said as insulting as that was not my intention.

What I think applies only to me and I am very blind.

I wish John the best of luck in his quest and hope that he can find or nail down whatever it is he is looking for, and hope that he can do it with class and dignity. He has the spirit of a true warrior which is what I failed to see previously.

I look forward to buying you a beer and maybe even playing some cheap sets with you in the very near future. I'll tell you what, I'll play you for a nice, cue case, and a holiday turkey to go with it..... :wink:

Your AZ brother,

Sung Kang

Magoo's in Tulsa

 

[ykndoit]

Its not in poor taste to bring up a public declaration that you seem to be flying in the face of John. Not at all. You made a statement that was sparked by and extremely unfortunate and tragic situation. You made a claim that it sort of 'awakened' you. Now here you are just a few short months later, knee deep in what is not your FIRST online battle since the tragedy that supposedly changed you.

What is in bad taste is for you to try and promote your product by slamming another. You are maniacal John. Obsessive to say the least. Its one thing to try and make a point but to make videos of rediculous tests that don't prove much, post them online, square off with others in public forums, etc., etc., etc.. its ludicrous and moronic. You make yourself look worse with every bitter post on the matter.

I applaud you for wanting to make and sell the best product you can make. That's beyond admirable. But to try and slam another in the process just to show how right you are, its childish. Grow up.

This is all YOUR opinion and should be noted.
Hate JB for being pasionate about his work and wanting to go the extra mile to prove it. I'm sure he is ok with that.

Slamming Mr. Justis? Not hardly. Proving his INTERIORS to be BETTER than Mr. Justis AND ANY OTHER MAKER I think is the message.
Other than the INTERIORS, I think JB has ALSO went the extra mile to PRAISE Mr. Justis AND his work.

JB HOW DARE YOU TRY TO PROTECT CUES BETTER THAN JACK JUSTIS!!!!

And when you try and people confront you, you better not try to back up what you say by making a video of it JB., because people might see the truth!!!!


Grow up? Seriously, read what you type BEFORE you hit [SUBMIT]

 

[Eric.]

Sure. That test was designed to see what happens with more force than normally would be placed on the cue. I also thought that since I was using just the tube and not actual cases that perhaps if I dropped it at the height a case might be then it would be less force because the case weight would also be driving it.

I am not an engineer so I welcome any and all suggestions as to how to set up these tests and carry them out. .

While I have no desire to wade any further into this steamy pile, let me leave with this...

The test you used is not realistic at all. If a cue butt, within a case, is dropped from 4 ft, the pin would be resting on the case lid when it hits the ground. Also, using the case in question, there would ONLY be about an inch of space between the pin and case lid, at best. Your test is a lot different, having 4 ft of extra space for the cue butt to accelerate.

The test is not relevant and unrealistic, as were the results.


Eric >outta here

 

[JB Cases]

Grow up.

Why should I? Why do you care what I do or what Mr. Justis does?

We are providing your entertainment. The internet is the ultimate example of having the choice to change the channel if you don't like the content.

You and I both could be doing a thousand other things at this very moment and still sitting at our keyboards. But we choose to be here.

I choose to promote my business in an open and frank manner that is off putting to some and refreshing to others and you choose to administer cyber spankings from some moral pedestal.

You think it's grown up to tell other people what they are feeling inside and what their motivation is? When did you become the hall monitor?

Here is a thought. Debate the points that are related to case making from a consumer standpoint. How about that one?

You are hilarious. You are here because you chose to be a part of this, don't chastise me for providing you with something to do. There are five hundred other topics on AZB that you could be reading and adding your wisdom to.

If you notice there are many here who are just sticking to the CONTENT which is simply, John did some stuff to cases and cues on video, let's dissect it and see what it means literally rather than to try and figure out what demons possess him.

And yes, Edwin's murder has changed me and made me think about the futility of this crap. And it is futile. Writing this message to you right now is a huge waste of time and energy. But I am doing it because I WANT to. Someday I will stop and then it will be done. Not you or anyone else can do that for me and certainly giving me a cyber tongue lashing isnt' going to do it.

But if it makes you feel better to have gotten that off your chest then good for you. Don't pretend to be offended and outraged by how I handle my business with Mr. Justis when you choose to attack and insult a person you don't even know.

Grow up. An utterly useless suggestion.

 

[JB Cases]

While I have no desire to wade any further into this steamy pile, let me leave with this...

The test you used is not realistic at all. If a cue butt, within a case, is dropped from 4 ft, the pin would be resting on the case lid when it hits the ground. Also, using the case in question, there would ONLY be about an inch of space between the pin and case lid, at best. Your test is a lot different, having 4 ft of extra space for the cue butt to accelerate.

The test is not relevant and unrealistic, as were the results.


Eric >outta here

The results were realistic because they were simply an example of what happens when a cue falls four feet into a piece of wood. That is all that was being tested. I didn't say that I was trying to determine anything other than to see what would happen.

Ok so then according to you I should just do it again at a lower height. What do you think will happen? I think that the gouging and depressions will be slightly less but still quite noticeable and possibly disturbing to some.

What's the problem?

Here is a newsflash for you though - IF the cue has MORE acceleration and hits the wood HARDER and we are able to determine that a particular combination of materials is the best solution to PREVENT gouging the inside of the lid AND to absorb the shock THEN it means that this solution SHOULD work when the drop is much less.

Or is that unreasonable.

Sorry to disagree with you Eric. I know how much you hate that. God job on the commentary on the Mills/SVB match though. You did good there. We still have action at the SBE if you can get in.

 

[mia]

Why should I? Why do you care what I do or what Mr. Justis does?

We are providing your entertainment. The internet is the ultimate example of having the choice to change the channel if you don't like the content.

You and I both could be doing a thousand other things at this very moment and still sitting at our keyboards. But we choose to be here.

I choose to promote my business in an open and frank manner that is off putting to some and refreshing to others and you choose to administer cyber spankings from some moral pedestal.

You think it's grown up to tell other people what they are feeling inside and what their motivation is? When did you become the hall monitor?

Here is a thought. Debate the points that are related to case making from a consumer standpoint. How about that one?

You are hilarious. You are here because you chose to be a part of this, don't chastise me for providing you with something to do. There are five hundred other topics on AZB that you could be reading and adding your wisdom to.

If you notice there are many here who are just sticking to the CONTENT which is simply, John did some stuff to cases and cues on video, let's dissect it and see what it means literally rather than to try and figure out what demons possess him.

And yes, Edwin's murder has changed me and made me think about the futility of this crap. And it is futile. Writing this message to you right now is a huge waste of time and energy. But I am doing it because I WANT to. Someday I will stop and then it will be done. Not you or anyone else can do that for me and certainly giving me a cyber tongue lashing isnt' going to do it.

But if it makes you feel better to have gotten that off your chest then good for you. Don't pretend to be offended and outraged by how I handle my business with Mr. Justis when you choose to attack and insult a person you don't even know.

Grow up. An utterly useless suggestion.

I'm confused. I mean, didn't you just say a few hours ago that you were going to put me on ignore??? I mean, didn't you say:

Let me be fully clear about something though. I could truly give a shit about what you think of me. Got it. .....Trolls such as yourself have no bearing on the direction of my life.

As the great Mr. Justis told me just the other day and I SHOULD have listened to him on this - ignore the trolls, so with that on the ignore list you go.

Those are your words, are they not???

What happened? You forgot to put me on ignore??? You're proving my point John. You get one step closer to certifiable with every post you make. I understand your point. Again, wanting to make the best product out there is admirable. But going on these tirades is just pathetic. Sell your case based on its merits alone. Not on its merits over another.

 

[metallicane]

How's my case coming:grin:?

 

[SK Custom Cues]

I'm confused. I mean, didn't you just say a few hours ago that you were going to put me on ignore??? I mean, didn't you say:



Those are your words, are they not???

What happened? You forgot to put me on ignore??? You're proving my point John. You get one step closer to certifiable with every post you make. I understand your point. Again, wanting to make the best product out there is admirable. But going on these tirades is just pathetic. Sell your case based on its merits alone. Not on its merits over another.

Mia, you are right, but you are only right from your own single perspective. Try putting yourself in John's shoes. I bet you would not be thinking the same way if you did. John represents many different points of view that are beyond what you or I can see on the surface. Just acknowledge that John is doing his best to stand up for himself and wish him well. To try and correct him or to point out what he is doing is wrong is not your job or my job. Give it a rest. John knows what you are trying to tell him and he simply doesn't give a rats a$$.

The best thing to do is to observe from a distance on this one......

Actually, how hard can case making be? Maybe I will try to make one.... :wink:

 

[ykndoit]

Sell your case based on its merits alone. Not on its merits over another.

Are you going to tell me you have NEVER COMPARED products? whether its price,performance,asthetics? You must be a compulsive buyer and buy what ever is in front of you when you are ready to spend money, huh?

You're posts are becoming annoying at best. If you don't like JB's methods, maybe YOU should put JB on ignore! But you can't, can you? In fact, I DARE YOU TOO!

 

[JB Cases]

While I have no desire to wade any further into this steamy pile, let me leave with this...

The test you used is not realistic at all. If a cue butt, within a case, is dropped from 4 ft, the pin would be resting on the case lid when it hits the ground. Also, using the case in question, there would ONLY be about an inch of space between the pin and case lid, at best. Your test is a lot different, having 4 ft of extra space for the cue butt to accelerate.

The test is not relevant and unrealistic, as were the results.


Eric >outta here

Well,

Like I said I am not an engineer or a physicist. But I sort of did remember something about objects falling at the same rate of speed. Turns out the trusty internet has provided me with some reading that seems to show that the speed of the falling cue is the same whether it's dropped from four feet or two feet. Or at least the difference is so minute as not to matter.

So perhaps it's best if you stay "outta here" if your contributions are going to be of this sort where you make a statement that seems like you know what you are talking about but in fact you don't.

This website is where I got this information - it might help you to read it

http://electron9.phys.utk.edu/phys135d/modules/m2/Freefall.htm

Now I haven't found what effect the mass of the case might have on this test as opposed to just the cue. As well there are other variables to consider. I will settle though for using what I have and finding a way to properly cushion the top that I can show works for our cases and that will be enough.

 

[mia]

Are you going to tell me you have NEVER COMPARED products? whether its price,performance,asthetics? You must be a compulsive buyer and buy what ever is in front of you when you are ready to spend money, huh?

Actually I'm not an impulse buyer. I compare the hell out of things when buying. But here's the thing. Its MY money. I'LL make the decision. I'LL weigh the options myself.

When the person who makes the product does their very best to convince me that their product is the best by showing the shortcomintgs of others, I immediately become leery. That's my point. Always has been. John makes a great case. So does Jack. I've owned cases by each and choose to go another route altogether. All I am saying is, if someone wants to make the claim that ther case is the best, good for them! I like the idea of standing behind your work. Its the slamming of someone else's work that puts me off.

You're posts are becoming annoying at best. If you don't like JB's methods, maybe YOU should put JB on ignore! But you can't, can you? In fact, I DARE YOU TOO!

I'm not exactly sure what I did to piss you off considering my posts have been about John and Jack. Not you. But apparently, I stuck a nerve. But you make a great point. I should put John on ignore. Thanks for the tip!!

 

[JB Cases]

I'm confused. I mean, didn't you just say a few hours ago that you were going to put me on ignore??? I mean, didn't you say:



Those are your words, are they not???

What happened? You forgot to put me on ignore??? You're proving my point John. You get one step closer to certifiable with every post you make. I understand your point. Again, wanting to make the best product out there is admirable. But going on these tirades is just pathetic. Sell your case based on its merits alone. Not on its merits over another.

I didn't get to it yet. I can choose to ignore you without pressing a button that hides your posts from view.

So I am crazy and pathetic. Do you think you are helping me then?

I can sell my product any way I want to. McDermott Cues has a chart listing their features over the competition. Many companies compare products in side by side lists.

Companies routinely send their competitor's products to the lab to test the claims the other product makes.

If you only deal with companies that never sell in a comparative way then you have a very sparse existence in my opinion.

But again you have MISSED the point. The point is NOT to slam other case makers. The point is to do some tests and see what happens and figure out from there how to be better.

And that is my right. And if I want to do it in public then I can. So I don't conform to your idea of how people should act and I say so what? I don't think it's very cool to go around telling other people that they are crazy and then expect a polite response. You sound like you are coming here from jimboworld though.

I have already been told that he is ranting about it. Well if he wants to express his opinion then tell him to come here because I don't go to his forum or read it. I don't know if you have any connection there but he is the only one who uses the "crazy" line of attack normally.

If I am wrong and you are not parroting whatever he is saying then you have my apologies for that and my sympathy that you feel like it's ok and have nothing better to do than to tell me how to live my life.

 

[JB Cases]

Actually I'm not an impulse buyer. I compare the hell out of things when buying. But here's the thing. Its MY money. I'LL make the decision. I'LL weigh the options myself.

When the person who makes the product does their very best to convince me that their product is the best by showing the shortcomintgs of others, I immediately become leery. That's my point. Always has been. John makes a great case. So does Jack. I've owned cases by each and choose to go another route altogether. All I am saying is, if someone wants to make the claim that ther case is the best, good for them! I like the idea of standing behind your work. Its the slamming of someone else's work that puts me off.




I'm not exactly sure what I did to piss you off considering my posts have been about John and Jack. Not you. But apparently, I stuck a nerve. But you make a great point. I should put John on ignore. Thanks for the tip!!

Great. So how do you know what it below the first five inches in a tube case?

What do you do to determine if the interior is "good" or not?

You can contribute to the thread by providing tips to compare cases. Some people don't know how to.

Now, I will say that I don't feel real good about taking Mr. Justis' case apart on camera but it's done and I proved my point. The reason it came to that is well known here and whether I was right or wrong the bell has been rung.

That said, for me there is no more beef with Mr. Justis. He builds a fine case that works for many people.

I build a case that also works for many people. And beyond us there are more case makers now than ever before to choose from.

My way to sell cases has always been to point out the merits of our cases and invite consumers to compare. That will not change. But if asked my opinion of a competitor's case I will give it.

I suggest highly that you go and read the first page of my website and pay close attention to the bottom portion of the page. It's not exactly what the type of person you try and make me out to be would do.

www.jbcases.com