This time I've been had, and it was nasty...

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Fastolfe

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The poolhall owner... He played the longest game ever on me, and I'm down 500 :(

I've known the guy for months. He plays 9-ball only (when he plays, which isn't too often), and he plays like crap. I mean he shoots straight, but whenever something's complicated, like getting out of a safety, he just whacks the balls. Also, he usually doesn't bother playing 1, 2, 3... When he sees the ball and the 9, he plays the 9, whacks like a moron and sometimes (too often) sinks the 9. That's also what he does against honor league players from other clubs who come play tourneys at his place.

Today, I proposed a few games, race to 3 for 5 euros. As always, he declined, saying he never plays for money, but he'd play me for drinks. And as always, I whipped his ass. I mean, he did win games with his lucky shots, but my trying to play consistently and somewhat intelligently prevailed. Drinks after drinks (9-ball races to 3 are short, especially if he makes one of his 10-rail, I-don't-know-what-the-hell-I'm-doing-but-it-might-just-work shots), he started to get real drunk.

At some point, he said "okay, how about double or nothing. Race to 5, if you win, I cancel the entire bill for today. If you don't, you pay double" (I had been playing for a few hours before playing him). I owed 30 euros or something, so I thought what the hell, if he's pulling one on me, it's not too costly. I said sure. And I won.

Then he said "how about race to 5 for 500". I said "I thought you never played money? At any rate, it's late and I gotta go" He said "Look, we've got a game going here. if you leave now, don't bother setting foot in here again" Wow... So either he was too drunk and he didn't know what he was saying, and tomorrow he'd have forgotten, or he's serious and I'll be ejected from the place, and if I won he'd be mad, or if he won I'd be 500 cold... Damn I hated that, what a stupid decision to make.

Anyway, I took a chance on him being drunk. I said yes reluctantly, and he suddenly played like crap no more. I didn't touch a ball... And he really was completely drunk... F*
 
You think he was drunk. He knew what he was doing.........ain't the first time for him...........lesson learned.
 
Fastolfe said:
The poolhall owner... He played the longest game ever on me, and I'm down 500 :(

I've known the guy for months. He plays 9-ball only (when he plays, which isn't too often), and he plays like crap. I mean he shoots straight, but whenever something's complicated, like getting out of a safety, he just whacks the balls. Also, he usually doesn't bother playing 1, 2, 3... When he sees the ball and the 9, he plays the 9, whacks like a moron and sometimes (too often) sinks the 9. That's also what he does against honor league players from other clubs who come play tourneys at his place.

Today, I proposed a few games, race to 3 for 5 euros. As always, he declined, saying he never plays for money, but he'd play me for drinks. And as always, I whipped his ass. I mean, he did win games with his lucky shots, but my trying to play consistently and somewhat intelligently prevailed. Drinks after drinks (9-ball races to 3 are short, especially if he makes one of his 10-rail, I-don't-know-what-the-hell-I'm-doing-but-it-might-just-work shots), he started to get real drunk.

At some point, he said "okay, how about double or nothing. Race to 5, if you win, I cancel the entire bill for today. If you don't, you pay double" (I had been playing for a few hours before playing him). I owed 30 euros or something, so I thought what the hell, if he's pulling one on me, it's not too costly. I said sure. And I won.

Then he said "how about race to 5 for 500". I said "I thought you never played money? At any rate, it's late and I gotta go" He said "Look, we've got a game going here. if you leave now, don't bother setting foot in here again" Wow... So either he was too drunk and he didn't know what he was saying, and tomorrow he'd have forgotten, or he's serious and I'll be ejected from the place, and if I won he'd be mad, or if he won I'd be 500 cold... Damn I hated that, what a stupid decision to make.

Anyway, I took a chance on him being drunk. I said yes reluctantly, and he suddenly played like crap no more. I didn't touch a ball... And he really was completely drunk... F*
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At this rate he's going to chase all his customers away and be asking you to loan him 500 euro's next time you see him.

Chris
 
Your first cle that he could atleast play a little bit was that he owned the room. Right away that means he's probably not a complete banger.

2nd clue? The size of of his first money bet. He went from something around 50 euros to a bet of 500. He knew your speed, must have had his eye on you.

Classic hustle. Not much you can do about it. Even if you go off and practice, you still don't know his top speed. Better to stay away. Unless.....

The reverse hustle.

What you need is a really good undercover player. Will take a time commitment though. You and your friend go into his place to play eachother. Keep in mind he'll be watching you too. Make sure your friend doesn't make a ball. He'll approach you two.

Hesitantly, let your friend play him and lose. Make sure he sees your friend with a big bankroll. Only let your friend bet small stakes. Play awhile with your friend losing. Refuse all offers to raise the bet. Leave losing money.

Come back a few days later. Raise the bet only if room owner asks. Never offer. Turn your friend loose this time. Don't leave without the keys to his car, house and poolroom.

Rg.
Ps, don't know what country your in but you always have to be careful of buisness owners that keep firearms on the premises.
 
javi2 said:
You think he was drunk. He knew what he was doing.........ain't the first time for him...........lesson learned.
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He was drunk: I saw him down 10 bottles of Desperado in half an hour. Given how often he was going for a leak, I know it wasn't faked. And yes, he knew what he was doing, and it definitely wasn't the first time.

The thing that gets me is his usual attitude when he isn't drunk. In the light of what happened tonight, and considering how ticked off his wife seemed with the whole affair, he almost looks like he's a reformed gambler trying to stay away from the vice. I'm quite sure he isn't after money, and I'm almost certain he didn't wait for so long to take my mullah on purpose. I must have asked him to play for cash at least a hundred times before and he was always adamant he never played money. He's also not the kind to scare away his customers like that. I think he let a side of his personality show that he didn't intend to show, were he not drunk.
 
Fastolfe said:
He was drunk: I saw him down 10 bottles of Desperado in half an hour. Given how often he was going for a leak, I know it wasn't faked. And yes, he knew what he was doing, and it definitely wasn't the first time.

The thing that gets me is his usual attitude when he isn't drunk. In the light of what happened tonight, and considering how ticked off his wife seemed with the whole affair, he almost looks like he's a reformed gambler trying to stay away from the vice. I'm quite sure he isn't after money, and I'm almost certain he didn't wait for so long to take my mullah on purpose. I must have asked him to play for cash at least a hundred times before and he was always adamant he never played money. He's also not the kind to scare away his customers like that. I think he let a side of his personality show that he didn't intend to show, were he not drunk.
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Did he bring his bottle with him? A lot of times someone might pour it in the sink and fill it with water. OLD move.
 
LMFAO!!! I used to start out only playing for drinks too!!! dummies in bars ALWAYS think they shoot better when they have some drinks in them. :grin:

sorry you got had though.
 
NYC cue dude said:
Your first cle that he could atleast play a little bit was that he owned the room. Right away that means he's probably not a complete banger.
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I know he isn't, we both play 1st division in the league :) He usually sucks, but I know now it's an act. Why he choses to hold his speed all the time is beyond me.

NYC cue dude said:
2nd clue? The size of of his first money bet. He went from something around 50 euros to a bet of 500. He knew your speed, must have had his eye on you.
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He's known my speed for a long time. He also knows I only play 9-ball with him and another guy, because they refuses to play anything else, and I hate 9-ball.

NYC cue dude said:
Classic hustle. Not much you can do about it. Even if you go off and practice, you still don't know his top speed. Better to stay away.
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I don't know, 5 games without touching a ball, looks like his top speed to me.

NYC cue dude said:
Make sure your friend doesn't make a ball. He'll approach you two.
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No he won't. It's already hard to get him playing at all, let alone play for money. It's the first time he plays me for money, and I think it was the booze who made him do that. I'd be surprised if he changed completely overnight and started to play for cash on a regular basis.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Did he bring his bottle with him? A lot of times someone might pour it in the sink and fill it with water. OLD move.
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Nope, served by the barman. Unless the barman was in cahoots with him, which I HIGHLY doubt because the guy is pissed off with him because he won't give him a raise.
 
jdxprs said:
LMFAO!!! I used to start out only playing for drinks too!!! dummies in bars ALWAYS think they shoot better when they have some drinks in them. :grin:

sorry you got had though.
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He drank beer, I didn't. I only drink coffee or tea when I play :)
 
You should have said no. From nothing to $500 is too much of a money jump and he was an unknown. Johnnyt
 
you got tiresome.

I must have asked him to play for cash at least a hundred times before and he was always adamant he never played money. He's also not the kind to scare away his customers like that.

It sounds like your constant barking at him to bet wore on his patience
and he decided to teach you a lesson and shut you up. If a man is ADAMANT about not betting he was not after your money but some respect for his choice not to gamble. You'd be smart not to woof him again because you have probably not seen top speed.
 
12310bch said:
I must have asked him to play for cash at least a hundred times before and he was always adamant he never played money. He's also not the kind to scare away his customers like that.

It sounds like your constant barking at him to bet wore on his patience
and he decided to teach you a lesson and shut you up. If a man is ADAMANT about not betting he was not after your money but some respect for his choice not to gamble. You'd be smart not to woof him again because you have probably not seen top speed.
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I gotta agree here. Even though several times people think that barking big bets scare people away, you thought you could make a big score.
well sounds like he barked and you thought you'd call his bluff and then since he had to much pride(or alcohol), he decided to teach you a lesson! Hopefully you learned your lesson!
 
Fastolfe said:
The poolhall owner... He played the longest game ever on me, and I'm down 500 :(

I've known the guy for months. He plays 9-ball only (when he plays, which isn't too often), and he plays like crap. I mean he shoots straight, but whenever something's complicated, like getting out of a safety, he just whacks the balls. Also, he usually doesn't bother playing 1, 2, 3... When he sees the ball and the 9, he plays the 9, whacks like a moron and sometimes (too often) sinks the 9. That's also what he does against honor league players from other clubs who come play tourneys at his place.

Today, I proposed a few games, race to 3 for 5 euros. As always, he declined, saying he never plays for money, but he'd play me for drinks. And as always, I whipped his ass. I mean, he did win games with his lucky shots, but my trying to play consistently and somewhat intelligently prevailed. Drinks after drinks (9-ball races to 3 are short, especially if he makes one of his 10-rail, I-don't-know-what-the-hell-I'm-doing-but-it-might-just-work shots), he started to get real drunk.

At some point, he said "okay, how about double or nothing. Race to 5, if you win, I cancel the entire bill for today. If you don't, you pay double" (I had been playing for a few hours before playing him). I owed 30 euros or something, so I thought what the hell, if he's pulling one on me, it's not too costly. I said sure. And I won.

Then he said "how about race to 5 for 500". I said "I thought you never played money? At any rate, it's late and I gotta go" He said "Look, we've got a game going here. if you leave now, don't bother setting foot in here again" Wow... So either he was too drunk and he didn't know what he was saying, and tomorrow he'd have forgotten, or he's serious and I'll be ejected from the place, and if I won he'd be mad, or if he won I'd be 500 cold... Damn I hated that, what a stupid decision to make.

Anyway, I took a chance on him being drunk. I said yes reluctantly, and he suddenly played like crap no more. I didn't touch a ball... And he really was completely drunk... F*
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I'm sorry, but you had it coming. You tried to squeeze a "drunk" "moron" that "plays like crap" for anything you could get, and you did it in his own house. There's no honor in that. Survival is survival, and a mugging is a mugging... The wolf never likes it when the sheep bite back.
 
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From the outside looking in. A few things that you should have found odd in your gambling experience.

1. Why would you think his wife wouldn't be in on it?

2. Why wouldn't the bar tender be in on it?

3. Someone making the 9ball too often on "wild crazy" shots, is not shooting wild crazy shots....only looks that way.

4. Pool room owners are NEVER just bangers, maybe not top speed, but they can all play to some extent.

5. When someone is getting their head beat in, AND still wants to steam up the bet.....you are in a trap, or soon will be :)

6. real or not, some people can drink a TON of alcohol, and function fine.

7. Maybe he was going to the bathroom all the time to "expell" the recently consumed beverage? not to peepee??? hmmm? :)

I don't know you and we all don't know your relationship to everyone else in the pool room, but I have seen hustles like this put on players that are somewhat of a "pain in the ass" in some rooms.

It may not seem like it to you, but to us on the outside it seems more like you got hustled, then the guy got lucky. Take a little time to let the sting wear off and look back on it to learn where you went wrong. IT wasn't just a matter of the balls rolling funny for you. It seems more like a well orchestrated hustle IMO. No matter what, you learned something.....right?

G.
 
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