New Lathe

brianna187 said:
chris
Not that many ways to make a tapper bar it a pretty easy thing do do
you always have thought your the only one entilted to build a cue lathe
first you try and make it hard then impossible to buy the dove tails no problem i make my own now out of steel much more accurate.... then you try to get taig from selling me chucks no problem making my own now and also much more acurate but im still going to make lathes
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I did not try to get Taig to quit selling you chucks. You still buy your chucks from Taig and modify them yourself. I just asked Taig to honor our original agreement not to sell you or anyone else the items they make exclusively for me. Which includes the chucks modified to fit my large bore headstock. As far as there not being many ways to make taper bars I beg to differ. I have seen many machines built with taper bars that were different from mine. I think anyone who wants to build a lathe is entitled to. But to copy my parts without even changing a hole pattern is pretty shameless.
 
I have dealt with Lee before. Every time I have had a question, or needed something, he was quick to reply. I called him and it went to his voicemail. He did return my call within 15 min or so. I think getting ahold of Lee is just in the timing.....he seems to be a very busy mand and has alot of irons in the fire....I am sure he is not dodging anyone.

I dont have anything bad to say about Lee and his service to me.

Shawn
 
I have bought products from Chris and Lee and have been satisfied with each.

I like the fact that there is more than one source for alot of the products that we use to build cues.

A monopoly on the market only benefits one person and it is not me.

Just my two cents worth.
 
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Busbee Cue said:
I have bought products from Chris and Lee and have been satisfied with each.

I like the fact that there is more than one source for alot of the products that we use to build cues.

A monopoly on the market only benefits one person and it is not me.

Just my two cents worth.
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Ditto here ... I think both guys are good fellas.
Dennis has the upper hand in cue making experience and knowledge.
Lee is a master machinist with a modern machine shop at his disposal.
Both have a love for the craft and a sincere desire to help others.
I can only imagine what wonderful products they could produce if they would ever work together in a joint venture.

Sure ... I can see the similarity's in their lathes.
Much like a Grizzly lathe looks like a Jet lathe or many other lathes.
Lets face it ... if you buy parts from Taig to build a lathe then they are going to look something alike.
Chris has needed to address some improvements to his equipment for years. Lord knows enough people have requested many things.
DC drive was just one of them.
It was only a matter of time before someone else picked up the ball and made some of those improvements.

If there are real patent infringements then there is legal remedy and I am sure the courts can iron them out.
If there are NO legal infringements then what is the deal here?
Cue makers have been copying each other for decades.

Innovation and competition benefits us all.
 
pescadoman said:
The IDEA IS EXACTLY THE SAME: a cue lathe.

You constantly advertise items that sometimes never materialize with almost impossible to digest descriptions that lack ANY of the important info someone would need to know.

You ask for input on a keyboard that costs 4 times as much, but seems identical to others, and when I ask why yours is better you bash me instead of taking opportunity to say why?

Several times I have seen ideas on here only to see an "any interest in these" coming from.....

You have bashed other manufactures before with your live centers....

Who could blame anyone from trying to stop their typical supplier from wanting to sell to you??(if this really happened)

I've never heard of bearing problems(any problems really) with any of Chris' products and yet you use your "heavy duty" bearings as a selling point in contrast to his.

I've never been able to get you on the phone either, Chris answers his every time. You also sent some samples of pins to one of my friends and when he called you neither answered or returned his message. He only produces 75 cues a year, so I guess that isn't much too lose....well except he might tell other ACA members...that might add up..

I'm glad your lathe is more than you hoped for, but I feel Chris' frustration and feel it is warranted.
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As far as getting me on the phone I work 12 to 16 hours a day thats probally why. I am not spending my time trying to knock someone on a forum. We have discussed some items that never made it to the market. After testing I felt they didnt warrant making, is that a crime? I will admitt, I am bad with phone messages as far as reaching chris I myself had to call him several times on a few occassions. I didnt go blasting him for not answering I just called back. My bearings in my opinion are better.
I spend 4 times the money on bearings for my products. Reason being, I have 3 porper lathes and have had to replace bearings in every one so when I designed mine I decided to use the best I could find. Anyone wanting to buy pins all they have to do is email me if they have trouble contacting me my email is the best way to get me. Now the keyboard, it was a cheap overseas keyboard which takes a long time to get and shipping is added. I was buying mine from a USA manufacture. They told me their board was being knocked off and they were using his picture. Now my live centers what I said is another manufacture said why make a replaceable part then you cant sell them again. Another of his concerns was selling a product that wears out so he can sell another. Mine is to sell something to save the cuemaker money by using replacable parts. Why is that so bad? Let me ask you just what you have you done for this industry? What have you designed or built ?
Seems like all you want to do is find fault in someone. What even gives you the knowledge or expertise to make comments on machines we have made?
My goal simply is to make the best product on the market bar none and thats just what I am doing. Keep in mind that I am not being bashful or shy in saying. However, I for sure will not let anyone try and stop me from doing so or buying products from other manufactures. I have always liked chris and have never talked bad about him to anyone. We have even done good business between eachother over the years. But in the end Business is Business!!!
 
WilleeCue said:
Ditto here ... I think both guys are good fellas.
Dennis has the upper hand in cue making experience and knowledge.
Lee is a master machinist with a modern machine shop at his disposal.
Both have a love for the craft and a sincere desire to help others.
I can only imagine what wonderful products they could produce if they would ever work together in a joint venture.

Sure ... I can see the similarity's in their lathes.
Much like a Grizzly lathe looks like a Jet lathe or many other lathes.
Lets face it ... if you buy parts from Taig to build a lathe then they are going to look something alike.
Chris has needed to address some improvements to his equipment for years. Lord knows enough people have requested many things.
DC drive was just one of them.
It was only a matter of time before someone else picked up the ball and made some of those improvements.

If there are real patent infringements then there is legal remedy and I am sure the courts can iron them out.
If there are NO legal infringements then what is the deal here?
Cue makers have been copying each other for decades.

Innovation and competition benefits us all.
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thanks willie just to clear things up i am not a master machinst over the last 3 or 4 years i ahve learned tons of things my partner is the master here
I am a go between I know the billiards industry and making cues he knows machining and engineering together we come up with our products I cant all the credit I do run some machines and do part of the work but hes the master but thanks anyway the end product and a satisfied customer is our only goal if you believe in what your doing why should you be affriad to stand up for your products and feel there top notch if you look hard enough you can find fault with anything or anyone
 
brianna187 said:
As far as getting me on the phone I work 12 to 16 hours a day thats probally why. I am not spending my time trying to knock someone on a forum. We have discussed some items that never made it to the market. After testing I felt they didnt warrant making, is that a crime? I will admitt, I am bad with phone messages as far as reaching chris I myself had to call him several times on a few occassions. I didnt go blasting him for not answering I just called back. My bearings in my opinion are better.
I spend 4 times the money on bearings for my products. Reason being, I have 3 porper lathes and have had to replace bearings in every one so when I designed mine I decided to use the best I could find. Anyone wanting to buy pins all they have to do is email me if they have trouble contacting me my email is the best way to get me. Now the keyboard, it was a cheap overseas keyboard which takes a long time to get and shipping is added. I was buying mine from a USA manufacture. They told me their board was being knocked off and they were using his picture. Now my live centers what I said is another manufacture said why make a replaceable part then you cant sell them again. Another of his concerns was selling a product that wears out so he can sell another. Mine is to sell something to save the cuemaker money by using replacable parts. Why is that so bad? Let me ask you just what you have you done for this industry? What have you designed or built ?
Seems like all you want to do is find fault in someone. What even gives you the knowledge or expertise to make comments on machines we have made?
My goal simply is to make the best product on the market bar none and thats just what I am doing. Keep in mind that I am not being bashful or shy in saying. However, I for sure will not let anyone try and stop me from doing so or buying products from other manufactures. I have always liked chris and have never talked bad about him to anyone. We have even done good business between eachother over the years. But in the end Business is Business!!!
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Firstly, you did find time to bash me on a forum. Instead of taking opportunity to plug your product you lashed out at me.

If you send out samples to World Class Cuemakers and don't return their calls, why should they continue to try contacting you?

I don't look for people's faults, but you should think more carefully before you type about products. You say in your opinion now about your bearings.....I have never made any comments about your machines, only giving you a chance to explain why they are SO MUCH BETTER. Don't put words in my mouth. I see "precision", "heavy duty", "professional", and words of the like thrown around frequently with impunity. I ask you why and you counter with "what do you know anyway?". Isn't it fair for a potential customer to know why?? If I'm not buying it, then maybe someone who is having a look at this thread might be interested in important info. This is like when you had the silver rings, but neglected to put ID, OD, or thickness. Probably something someone would want to know..

I spent about 8 grand last year supporting "this industry" and will probably double that this year. Some of it WAS spent with you BTW. You can make all the bells and whistles you want, but you can't make a living without someone to buy them. Does that count as contributing??

What I have said is based on my experiences with you, not speculation. Before you started name calling I pm'd you with suggestions on how to make your posts better and you simply ignored me.

I'll leave this alone now unless I am compelled. BTW, if you hadn't twisted my words in your head a long time ago you would have seen I was only trying to help you the entire time.
 
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brianna187 said:
Your right... I wasted enough time arguing with you its back to work .
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...don't worry. Neither I nor anyone I know will waste any more time OR MONEY on you. You are an excellent businessman in your own mind.

PS...you might want to take a second out of your busy schedule to put some pics up of the veneer press you advertised. Seems people are interested, but you put the youtube whatever to private. Potential customers have been asking about this for days, but you must be busy with this thread...
 
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pescadoman said:
...don't worry. Neither I nor anyone I know will waste any more time OR MONEY on you. You are an excellent businessman in your own mind.

thanks very much....and to be honest I am not interested in your business after all this I dont need extra headaches that come with dealing with someone like you! and yes I am a good business man I am just not going to take your crap!!
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brianna187 said:
nice last word - Today, 07:59 PM

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if you are going to insist on bumping your thread, might I suggest you get a fifth grader to help you with punctuation and grammar? Hard to take you seriously when all I can think about is how illiterate you are.
pescadoman

mr pescadoman
nice pm you sent me thought id post it so evryone could see it please dont pm me anymore I have nothing to say to you... and really you have nothing of value to say so just keep quiet
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I guess maybe you should ask a 5th grader what a private message means too. Only four(maybe more...Jesus...not worth my time to count) incorrectly spelled words and one long run on sentence. Maybe a mod can close this thread and you can start a new one. I know you will reply yet again to this, saying something ridiculous and hacking English grammar once again, so I wait with hope. I guess I'll just call you and let you know what I think...oh wait....dang
 
pescadoman said:
I guess maybe you should ask a 5th grader what a private message means too. Only four(maybe more...Jesus...not worth my time to count) incorrectly spelled words and one long run on sentence. Maybe a mod can close this thread and you can start a new one. I know you will reply yet again to this, saying something ridiculous and hacking English grammar once again, so I wait with hope. I guess I'll just call you and let you know what I think...oh wait....dang
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The grammar and spelling police are at it again......:rolleyes:

Who cares if words are mispelled......I usually get online while I am at work and dont have time to be exact.....as long as you get your point across what is the matter?
 
I was under the impression that this kind of 5th grader playground disrespect of the cue makers was not to be allowed any longer.
 
All I know is went I call lee. Which is usually once or twice a week. He answers 9 out if 10 times.

He also will give me the shirt off his back if I asked.

It's easy. If you don't like him. Don't buy.

So what. Everything doesn't come out right. Who says you need a PHD to be in buisness? He always means well. There is nothing wrong with trying to better the industry. Taking a product and trying to better it has been done billions of times in this world. If some of you had a machine shop as he does you would understand it takes alot of time and money to set up run a new product. So sending out a feeler is perfectly acceptible in my book.
 
pescadoman said:
I guess maybe you should ask a 5th grader what a private message means too. Only four(maybe more...Jesus...not worth my time to count) incorrectly spelled words and one long run on sentence. Maybe a mod can close this thread and you can start a new one. I know you will reply yet again to this, saying something ridiculous and hacking English grammar once again, so I wait with hope. I guess I'll just call you and let you know what I think...oh wait....dang
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Mr pescadoman
Rather then caling me just tell me in person my address is on the website
or just come down to the derby next week why take a cheap sot at someone from behind a computer? and private messages are privte when used in the right manor maybe sometimes my posts are not perfect but i am busy most of the time my main goal is making great products and helping poeple get started to me thats not only fun but rewarding
 
I'm not going to apologize for what I said. It may have been a cheap shot but it was meant to be kept private and he chose to make it public. In Lee's posts I have tried to help him bring light to why his products are better and he chose to call me a cheapskate. In this post I gave him the same opportunity and he started asking me "what have I done for the billiards industry" and "who am I to xxxxxxx his machines".

Well, I am a consumer and someone he should take some critique from...that is who I am.



Lee.....simply tell everyone that I didn't try and help you with your product descriptions in the past......or that you can't remember. If you really want, you can buy me a ticket to anywhere you want and we can meet in person BTW. Don't pretend I am going to spend any money to come see you though. I surmise this is what you want now??
 
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dave sutton said:
All I know is went I call lee. Which is usually once or twice a week. He answers 9 out if 10 times.

He also will give me the shirt off his back if I asked.
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I will second that.

Lee kind of put me off years ago with his posting style but I have gotten to know him a bit better and feel that he is sincere, honest, and willing to work thru any problems.
I would trust him completely.
 
OK, so getting back on track here.....

That lathe looks great! Are you planning on developing a scaled down version of if for people who are only needing something for tipping, re-tapering, cleaning, etc...
 
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