I don't understand. If there is such a need for non-smoking pool rooms, how tough could the road have been when there was literally no competition for the non-smoking crowd?
Steve
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I don't understand. If there is such a need for non-smoking pool rooms, how tough could the road have been when there was literally no competition for the non-smoking crowd?
Steve
No matter the opinion here, I can tell you that smoking is progressively being banned in indoor public locations including bars and restaurants throughout the USA, with states like California and cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco leading the way. The day will come, it's just a matter of time.
The pool room I used to play in here allowed smoking illegally, so me and my friends found another room. Eventually they too were forced to ban smoking. I used to be a heavy smoker. I cringe at the image of my young, stupid self shooting pool with a cigarette dangling from my mouth, and ashes falling all over the table.
The thought of smoking for 30 years haunts me and I always have concerns that I won't outrun the nuts on this one. Young people - please quit now, it may be difficult now but it's almost impossible after 20 or 30 or 40 years.
My dad got lung cancer over 10 years ago and died horribly from it. He begged me to quit smoking, and I did. As you get older the thought of losing a lung, or being debilitated on an oxygen tank, or having a heart attack becomes scary because of your responsibilities, family and business, and how many lives are affected.
The potential suffering alone should scare anybody into at least considering quitting.
Chris
Mark,
Thank you for posting your story and for facing your illness so bravely.
Hope to see you in the US Open!
Best wishes,
Chris
EXACTLY! No government should have the power to dictate what we do to our own bodies. Smoking bans should be left up the individual establishment owner. The 75% don't have the "right" to dictate what the 25% do either.
I smoke, have been for 20 years, and while it is annoying to have to go outside to smoke, I'd be happy to do it for the benefit of quality tables, clean balls and a nice place.
However, I'm also switching to electronic cigarettes whenever the package arrives - so this will be a dead issue for me personally.
Dont play in Illinois much?
Good luck with the electronic cigarettes.
I guess you have not been to a pool hall in Illinois for a while?
Some of them actually disregard the LAW and allow smoking.
St Louis County goes SMOKE FREE 1/2011.
Less than a year. Forced smoking ban at every public place.
Good luck with the electronic cigarettes.
I guess you have not been to a pool hall in Illinois for a while?
Some of them actually disregard the LAW and allow smoking.
St Louis County goes SMOKE FREE 1/2011.
Less than a year. Forced smoking ban at every public place.
OK, the next time I go to a pool room, I'm going to tie a few dead skunks to my jacket, light off some fireworks and then jerk off to some porn right in the middle of the establishment. I hope my offensive habits don't bother anyone, but I am what I am, and I can't change. And I'm not letting big brother tell me what I can do. None of my habits actually cause any damage to anyone else, unless I burn the place down with the fireworks........other than that, I should be good to go !!!
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Everything you say must make sense to anyone that is logical.
Yes I remember seeing some of those real old advertisements with doctors smoking like it's good for you. Wow!! Cigs must be the biggest heist in the history of america. They put nicotine one of the most addicting drugs around in a little stick to smoke and they knew people would be hooked.
Yes that does suck that the smoking ban is a slow process. I bet if they did it all at once all of those places wouldn't have gone out of business... or not for the smoking reason anyway.
I quit 7 years ago. I started smoking when I was around 16 which was one year before my dad got cancer.
Actually, I would like to introduce you to my nephews - you seem to have a lot in common.
Chris
I tried e cigartettes so far all i got out of the deal was a broken atomizer and my debit card number stolen to the tune of 1500 bucks
Because, and I may be wrong about this, any non-smoking people who want to play are already playing. I'm not sure a cleaner atmosphere by itself would guarantee an exodus from other rooms.
But I was more referring to wooing the portion of the public that stays away from pool rooms in general due to a percieved stigma. Not that it wouldn't work only that it's riskier than maintaining status quo along with your current patrons. As much as I am for smoking bans, if I was a room owner I'd be nervous about taking the first step without government ban.
No one is dictating what you do to your body, only where you do it. The 75% is only asking that the 25% smoke their cigs outside, at which point they can return to the establishment. The 25% want the 75% to deal with it or bugger off.
But for the record, I don't agree with illegalizing smoking. Such a thing would destroy jobs, and create a new market for criminal organisations to exploit.
I doubt it, Russ. This was in a country where most men smoke and people aren't nearly as squeamish about it as they are in the US. My practice sessions were usually when the pool room was nearly empty, and I took a table that gave me distance from any other players (for solitude as well as the cigar). The room staff seemed perfectly fine with it, and I've seen them quickly correct patrons for doing anything disruptive.
I don't like an overly smoky environment either. If I'm going to play in a room that allows smoking, I'd prefer it to have adequate ventilation and considerate smokers. If it gets too smoky, I leave.
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Very well put.
A lot better than it would if crack cocaine was legalized.
I support legalization of marijuana, with extremely harsh fines if caught driving hwile under the influence.
Russ
Being a non-smoker and having petitioned room owners to go smokeless before Iowa's ban, I can tell you why they didn't: fear.
Each told me s/he was afraid that they'd lose business. Plus, each said that they feared the non-smoking nazis would make it illegal to smoke anyway (good call) and therefore going non-smoking first would be suicide. They'd just wait until all were forced to go non-smoking.
The fear of the state was part of the reason why these places remained smoking places even though most of their customers would have preferred non-smoking. That's just one of the unintended consequences of the sheeple having their govt make "choices" for them. It isn't just smoking where this fear rules.
"The most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~Stephen Biko, South African Freedom Fighter, & Derrick Jensen, End Game.
Jeff Livingston
Think property rights. Dumping sewer (why is it always this one?
) out into the back alley is a violation of property rights...it is polluting someone else's property and that is already covered by objective law.I have ZERO problem with health laws that are based on property rights. Anti-smoking "laws" violate those at the git-go. There are and will be long-term negative consequences from this paradigm....all much worse than the personal, free choice to go into a smoking environment...or not.
Btw, guess what organizations dump raw sewage onto others' property more than any other organizations? (hint: it ain't pool halls)
Jeff Livingston