Don't get me wrong.. I do not believe In pattern racking, but if my opponent is pattern racking me and I can't call him on it... I'm not going to give up, I'm going to adapt.... Or maybe I will just smack him like the ***** he is...lol
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Don't get me wrong.. I do not believe In pattern racking, but if my opponent is pattern racking me and I can't call him on it... I'm not going to give up, I'm going to adapt.... Or maybe I will just smack him like the ***** he is...lol
I always rack according to the color wheel anyway, starting with the primary colors first. It does depend on my mood though... I may just rack to match a bag of skittles... Or try to make it look like a rainbow...that's always pretty..lol
Yes you absolutely should have said something to Dave Matlock. This is not an "all in your head" gotta sleep with my shaft under my pillow type of myth. It's a proven fact. Maybe you didn't feel cheated but that doesn't mean you didn't get cheated. You had a right to call him out on it, whether or not you chose to exercise that right is a personal decision you made. You elected to out pattern rack him.
Yes it's promoted if it is not deterred. If there is no recourse for it, and it is deemed legal, than IMO it is promoted. Any other TD I know of won't allow it. It's hard to enforce but as a player you don't shouldn't have to fade that too.
Did they spike the coffee at work? You and Spina are typing like you are on mushrooms. If that's the case please bring me some!
Overall I don't know what you are trying to prove, but the Sunday night tournament is a pretty good weekly tournament, very competitive, and in my opinion a very good way for local players to improve their games.
I wasn't going to say anything but your above statement is WAY off base. The 2008 tournament had $3,170 added and the 2010 tournament had $2,835 added. A difference of $335. Not a very big difference considering there were many regular "out of town" players 2 years ago and the decline in the economy. And it definitely is nowhere near your $1000 figure that is quoted above.
I know you're being sarcastic but, and you're gonna say whatever you can to take the side of certain people around here. The simple answer is its wrong.
I guess someone could always print out an example of whats the best way to rack the balls and stick it on the wall of big dogs. Shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't give you an advantage right ? Or ill just go watch mike/jody and see what their doing, and ill print it off and put it up on the wall. This is probably better for them, cause then they'll always know the pattern and the tournament will be even easier for them. They can sit there like robots always running out the same little shots over and over. Also need to learn which balls to leave loose to send the balls a certain way, since apparently thats ok also. (remember its not cheating if you don't get caught)
*** Once again, if its no advantage why keep the secret? ***
Ending this post Scott Frost said last night in the Tulsa live stream. All you 9 ball players remember 1pkt is the skilled game to play. (no thats not word for word)
~ Jason, i pattern rack 1pkt.
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The next time you go to Olathe, you go ahead and say something to Matlock. My point is that I could care less and I know that I am not alone. If you want to be nitpicky about something that really doesn't matter when you are playing with 3 different sizes of dirty balls, bad rack areas, and overall bad equipment, go right ahead.
I have a question:
I have been watching this thread grow and grow, it has a life of its own. And thats totally cool. My questions are:
A: Is there that much going on in pool in Des Moines that has made this the largest pool related thread in history? :smile:
or
B: You guys dont play a lick of pool cause ya'll are sitting here making this thread the largest thread in the wordd?
jus sayn'
LOL, I just wanted to bust some balls today-and have a post in this epic thread.
all the best gentalmen,
Eric
I have been watching this thread grow and grow, it has a life of its own. And thats totally cool. My questions are:
A: Is there that much going on in pool in Des Moines that has made this the largest pool related thread in history? :smile:
or
B: You guys dont play a lick of pool cause ya'll are sitting here making this thread the largest thread in the wordd?
jus sayn'
LOL, I just wanted to bust some balls today-and have a post in this epic thread.
all the best gentalmen,
Eric
I have a question:
I have been watching this thread grow and grow, it has a life of its own. And thats totally cool. My questions are:
A: Is there that much going on in pool in Des Moines that has made this the largest pool related thread in history? :smile:
or
B: You guys dont play a lick of pool cause ya'll are sitting here making this thread the largest thread in the wordd?
jus sayn'
LOL, I just wanted to bust some balls today-and have a post in this epic thread.
all the best gentalmen,
Eric
It's just a collection of everything man. I gave you the best line I could and you didn't pull the trigger. See if I return your text again haha!
Generally speaking pool players in dsm cant beat their meat. Thats why Don McCaughey(mccoy) dont play and Scott Frost moved to AZ.
The best active player in our town ( Jason Chance ) is telling pros to come to Dsm to play him. The local guys won't play any game on any table with him.
Nice seeing your post here Fatboy, hopefully you didnt bother reading all this crap.
Yep, I'm just speaking up to defend other "certain" people. Couldn't be further from the truth. I am actually speaking up because the Sunday tournament is a great tournament and it seems like some "certain" people are trying to deter people from going to it. I know I don't support it like I used to, but that's just because I am getting older and 5:30 a.m. on Monday comes earlier every year. When I do decide to go, it is nice that we have such a great tournament every week.
In my experience, it is hard enough to get a decent rack on any bar table, that's just part of bar table pool. Because of the racks being so difficult, that will naturally lead to inconsistent breaks. Pattern racking won't give you any advantage. Half the time there are two or three balls that don't leave the rack area when I rack my own, and anyone that knows me knows how I feel about racking.
Reading the posts on here would lead me to believe that you can go to any table with any rack, put the balls in a certain order and break and VOILA, you have the same EXACT runout everytime. MAYBE on brand new tables, with brand new cloth and brand new clean balls, then MAYBE this might be the case, but even then you would have to hit the break the exact same way everytime.
I have a question:
I have been watching this thread grow and grow, it has a life of its own. And thats totally cool. My questions are:
A: Is there that much going on in pool in Des Moines that has made this the largest pool related thread in history? :smile:
or
B: You guys dont play a lick of pool cause ya'll are sitting here making this thread the largest thread in the wordd?
jus sayn'
LOL, I just wanted to bust some balls today-and have a post in this epic thread.
all the best gentalmen,
Eric
Boy, you walked into the wrong neighborhood.
Nothing to see here, move along.
shoo fly shoo. :smile:
I hear you loud and clear. Last week i was playing the ghost and was disqualified for coaching myself twice in one game
Mike, if its no advantage then why are we talking about it ? ? ? Just please make a reasonable answer for why people are doing this if it dont help you at all.
Also, the sunday tournament is just a tournament.
LOL Gary, you having a flashback of that weak ass foul from one of those doubles tournaments?
I am only trying to put the facts out there. The balls do suck and the rack spot is dug in. Guess that means do whatever you can and hope it helps right?
We should all rack like a pack of skittles as Spimp suggests, it's way more fun that way.
I am only trying to put the facts out there. The balls do suck and the rack spot is dug in. Guess that means do whatever you can and hope it helps right?
We should all rack like a pack of skittles as Spimp suggests, it's way more fun that way.
uplaymepool
Brian Hearl
I have never portrayed myself to be the king of pool. Or have I ever said I’m better than any of you. This is about understanding rules.
Oh Richardson… I don’t go around looking to gamble, because I don’t gamble. Most of you know that. You really haven’t seen me shoot for about a year, so you don’t know where my game is... my game could be good or bad.
I’ve been playing a lot out of town Dubuque, Clinton, Davenport, E. Moline, Chicago U.S. Amateur that I won to go to Tampa. That is when I was at the SVB vs Mills match. Played Tony Crosby-KC Seminole tourny while in Tampa. That’s just in the last 6 months. You don’t know who I’ve played and beat.
I don’t have a problem talking in person, I have no reason to hide… come talk to me when you see me instead of accusing me of not talking at bigdogs. As far as you saying that “i dont think im some champ” It sounds like you think you are when you are proud of your quote …
Here's the deal I'm the best there is. Plain and simple. I wake up in the morning and I piss excellence. ~ Ricky Bobby
Also, for all of you that get beat while playing in a tourny then get mad and want to gamble…this is just your way of pouting… if you thought you were better… you should have played better in your match.
Here are a couple of pro’s opinions also… I’m sure you’ll find others with opinions that differ…
This is all just my 2 cents worth…and that’s all its worth.
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Raymond Linares
As for pattern racking I support it completely. For me those who say it's cheating should also say it's cheating to use too much English on certain shots... The break is just like any shot that is practiced with the balls set up in a certain position. Practiced and perfected. To say it's illegal to rack the balls in a certain order is stupid IMO... If u feel comfortable breaking with the balls in a certain order then do so. Who's to tell u that u can't. And also how are you going to police that if it is illegal? Are you going to say they can rack in any order except the one they prefer...
Honestly it’s the mindset of people who aren't willing to adjust to the meet game of the time period... The game is ever evolving and players who rack patterns are the ones who are willing to adapt and approach the game tactically. They understand the power of control and consistency and will do what it takes to compete at the highest levels... Why would you leave something like that to luck against a serious opponent? Or in a bug match.
I've been racking the same pattern of 10 ball for the last 2 1/2 years on the Seminole tour. No ones ever given me problems about it. I was able to finish top 10 for the season, and I went hill-hill with Corey Deull at the hard Rock on TAR using the same pattern. My point is if your opponent and all the best players on earth do it. They show top level shot making behind their pattern, then why can't I emulate that in order to be competitive against them. It would be an injustice to say okay Corey Deull you can pattern rack but Raymond you can't. There are rules that go in place now in tournaments where certain balls must be racked in certain spots. If that's all the tournament director sees fit to require then that should be the end of the discussion.
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Charlie”Hillbilly” Bryant
Racking is just another skill used in pool!! It not hard to learn how to rack the pool balls and take the time to do so!! It's easier for people to complain about something than it is for them to learn how to do it!!!!! Just my opinion!!
Charlie Bryant
God Bless
You know why...but then you knew that.
Sorry Mike B, but I don't buy the bad equipment angle, because in the bad equipment scenario you mentioned, you would just end up with the same poor spread as any stiff that isn't familiar with how to pattern rack. So, I guess on horrible equipment the advantage could be mitigated somewhat, but if that were happening all the time then nobody would bother to continue pattern racking, would they?
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Brian, if i wanted to quote pros who don't like it i could. And with all respect to Hillbilly, they are bigger names in the pool world. In fact i asked 2 this weekend in Tulsa and they said its cheap.
And i just think im better than you Brian. At any game on any table. Gambling or league. Also i did play you in the last couple months.
People gamble because it puts pressure on you that a $5, $10 or whatever tournament can't.
PS: My sig quotes have nothing to do with playing pool, haha.
And i just think im better than you Brian. At any game on any table. Gambling or league. Also i did play you in the last couple months.
People gamble because it puts pressure on you that a $5, $10 or whatever tournament can't.
PS: My sig quotes have nothing to do with playing pool, haha.
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The reason I bring up bad equipment is the fact that the racks will be inconsistent. You will almost never have the same rack twice. The whole basis behind pattern racking is a consistent rack. If you don't have that then you won't have the same pattern.
Mike is mostly right here. Thats why Sardo isn't used anymore. Once again though, if it dont help you then why do people bother ?