confidence question

dogging the 7

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I am in desperate need of confidence both at the table and away from it (regarding pool). I think I am a terrible player for the amount of work i put into the game. I play/practice at least 15 hours per week, am a high level league player, and have the ability to run out fairly consistently. But with that said, i cant help but think of how bad i play. I am struggling with this lack of confidence to the point that my game is on the skids. People tell me I'm good and should be entering some of the local amateur events, but i simply dont believe them or in my own ability.

How do i get out of my own way?

Thanks.
 
Just try :)
If you have the *willing* to mess with better players or just even with players of your level...just do it. Nothin can teach you more than playin tournaments. The more the better!

Enjoy your game,

Ingo
 
How do i get out of my own way?

Start by finding what you fear when thinking about playing in a tournament. Challenge each of those fears and you will realize that they are irrational. You can then replace them with positive thoughts that are rational.

For example, you might think "I'm going to lose and I'll look like I can't play." You can challenge it with "What's the worst that will happen if I lose?", "Losing is OK. Every game has a winner and a loser.", "I can play well and still lose, and that's OK."

Set your expectations low for the first time. Just test the water and see what it's like. You just might be surprised.
 
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I know the feeling your going through and I know how I or you can play once you get that illusion out of your head. That is exactly what it is, a story in your head that your ego plays back to you while you shoot, if you listen/believe or identify with that voice and its a negative message, you become that negative energy and will reinforce the story that "your just not consistent enough to be a good player"

Have you played god like and then when the game/match is over you ask yourself "WTF was going through my head that allowed me to make all those shots perfectly, what is the difference?!" The answer for me is usually, "I don know" The reason being is, there was nothing going through my head at that time, no negative downward spiraling voices to listen to and distract me from realizing Im out of line on the shot, just pure focus at the task at hand.
One thing for sure is, if you dont believe in your abilities those voices will get louder and more repetitious as you go down to stroke the ball.

I think most what separates an amateur from a pro, is the ability to focus and know when your mind is drifting in order to get back in focus...."To be aware of the minds voice but not to be distracted by it"
 
I've been at the pool hall a lot recently and I've met a bunch of new people, and everyone seems to want to help me with my game. Which is cool because I just started and I do want to get better but for a while I had so much stuff running though my head before I shoot that I second guess myself no matter what. Now I just visualize the shot going exactly as planned and hit the shot the way I know how and I've stopped missing as many shots. When I get to really difficult shots like tight cuts, kicks or banks I think about what the other guys have said but when I get down in my stance my only thoughts are hit the right english on the right target line.

So in short I would say when you get ready to shoot clear your head and visualize the shot going exactly as planned. It's worked for me so far.
 
dogging the 7...Confidence comes directly from being able to develop "trust" in your stroke. Once you develop an accurate, repeatable, and sustainable 'standard operating process' (which is mental and physical), your conscious mind doesn't let that little voice in your head talk to you as much. This process can be taught to, and learned by anyone. Seek out a qualified instructor (one who uses video analysis) to get this process going. If you let us know where you are located, we can probably steer you to someone.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I am in desperate need of confidence both at the table and away from it (regarding pool). I think I am a terrible player for the amount of work i put into the game. I play/practice at least 15 hours per week, am a high level league player, and have the ability to run out fairly consistently. But with that said, i cant help but think of how bad i play. I am struggling with this lack of confidence to the point that my game is on the skids. People tell me I'm good and should be entering some of the local amateur events, but i simply dont believe them or in my own ability.

How do i get out of my own way?

Thanks.
 
I know the feeling your going through and I know how I or you can play once you get that illusion out of your head. That is exactly what it is, a story in your head that your ego plays back to you while you shoot, if you listen/believe or identify with that voice and its a negative message, you become that negative energy and will reinforce the story that "your just not consistent enough to be a good player"

Have you played god like and then when the game/match is over you ask yourself "WTF was going through my head that allowed me to make all those shots perfectly, what is the difference?!" The answer for me is usually, "I don know" The reason being is, there was nothing going through my head at that time, no negative downward spiraling voices to listen to and distract me from realizing Im out of line on the shot, just pure focus at the task at hand.
One thing for sure is, if you dont believe in your abilities those voices will get louder and more repetitious as you go down to stroke the ball.

I think most what separates an amateur from a pro, is the ability to focus and know when your mind is drifting in order to get back in focus...."To be aware of the minds voice but not to be distracted by it"

I would agree with all of this and simply add: CONFIDENCE + CONCENTRATION = CONSISTENCY. But before you can really concentrate well you must find all of the right things to practice, and then practice them until they become second-nature. Only then will you be able to shut off those nagging negative voices in your head and just settle down and play pool the way you have trained yourself to do.

As far as finding all of the "right things" to practice; I think you would be doing yourself a big favor if you was to find a qualified instructor in your area and let him or her help you with those. Any genuinely qualified instructor will have detailed lesson outlines, and will be able to tell you WHY the things they teach are RIGHT. If any prospective instructors cannot show you said outlines - be skeptical about their ability to teach.

Roger
 
I can relate to both the problem and the solutions. I recognize that I have lost confidence in my stroke which is putting me in the lost column in the competitive arena. Lose confidence in the stroke and one loses confidence in his/her game. I did get some tips from an BCA instructor so it is back to the drawing board. :confused::confused:
 
Im in this transition slump as well. Its a downward spiral unless you can figure it out.

Here is what led to me losing a little bit of confidence then a little more then a little more and then etc....

In a 2 month period I did this:

I went from a Z shaft that I loved and knew so well to a 314-2 with a new cue.
I started trying to pocket balls without english.
I started playing with a billiard glove. (this did feel better once i got used to it)
I tried to change my stance and shoot with my back leg stiff instead of bent.
I started using my cue to double check my aim. I used to just know where to aim and fire away.
I started practicing one shot too much or for two long of periods.
I changed the way I follow through.
I went from a 314-2 to back to my z-1 but the tip went from a moori medium to a lepro hard. I started miscueing more. The guy I sold it to, put this tip on.
After the state tourny I went to Z-2 and felt better.
I just started trying a new way to aim at balls from Genes dominant eye method.


each one of these theoretically should step my game up to a more consistent level but what is actually happening at this moment is the worst I have played in years. I went from just knowing and doing things second nature to thinking about every little thing I do, double checking my aim, Although my buddy said my stroke is a lot better, my break is better, my ability to confidently pocket balls is far worse. You might ask, "why would you make so many changes so quickly" The answer is: I really didnt realize I attempted this many changes until I sat down and thought about it.
I think Im starting to come back around now. I think.
 
So dogging the 7, There's alot of good advice that has been given here in the forum, much of it I agree with.


Here's a question for you to consider.

Why do you play pool? Do you play it for social reasons?, to hang out with your friends? Do you play it to beat everyone else?

If you can't answer this question right now don't worry. It took me awhile. I called up a good friend (BlackJack) and we talked about what got me hooked on pool in the first place. What did I still enjoy about shooting pool if anything.

I did some soul searching and made a mental readjustment that has for the last couple of weeks been paying big dividends for me. I can now answer the question why do I play pool in the first place. My answer is simply I play pool for myself. I don't play pool to try to get a win for my team, I don't play pool for the sake of trying to beat my opponent and I don't play pool to impress my wife. I play the game because it provides me with problems that I enjoy solving. I play the game for myself as the game is a part of me. Once I got that straightened out in my head things have been cooking along very well as of late and I am enjoying my time at the table alot more and also have had some personal bests in recent weeks.

Good luck to you and I hope this gives you something to think about. Give BlackJack a call (I saw he asked you to in an earlier post) or PM me for my number. I"m happy to chat about things with you.
 
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If you enjoy what you re doing...then it makes really sense for you:-)
 
one of the biggest things i've done for my game that has opened up an entirely new world has been reading some sports psychology books. By FAR the best one that i've read so far is The Inner Game of Tennis by W. Timothy Gallwey. This book is a short and easy read, you won't put it down because it is very enjoyable. It is a pioneering book in sports psychology and it makes ALOT of sense. It is all those things that people have told you to do, explained in detail and put together. I really encourage you to read it to give yourself perspective on your game.

it is true that practice is by far the most important thing, hitting thousands and thousands of balls to get the muscle memory and learn the techniques... but you need to make sure you are focusing your mind when you practice, and this book tells you how to do that. It illustrates how important it really is. It teaches you how to be realistic with your game, yet still do better than what you thought you could do... it teaches you how to prepare your mind to learn and also how to prepare your mind for competition.. two vastly different things that take vastly different skills.

A quickie breakdown of the concepts behind the book:

There are 2 selves... Self 1 and Self 2 (the conscious and unconscious minds). Self one is literally the voice in your head.. try meditating without thinking a thought or having an inner voice thinking some type of words in your mind. It's nearly impossible to do. Self 2 is the unconscious mind that reacts and allows your body to do what it does. You couldn't possibly walk, type on your cellphone, stroke a cue, etc. if your self 1 was constantly thinking in language what to do in every instant, we couldn't deal with that as human beings. Self 1 should be perfectly quiet when you are shooting the ball and participating in a match. You can have self 1 deliberately think of strategy, but then it must quiet when it is time for action and trust that self 2 is going to get the job done. You can not make judgments on what happens after a shot.. both good and bad. Don't congratulate yourself and don't beat yourself up.

For instance, if you overcut a shot... you shouldn't be thinking "oh, that was bad! don't do that again, because that sucked"... you should be thinking instead "Hmmm, it seems that I overcut the ball and i should readjust my aiming point on those types of shots in the future..." Notice how the first statement did absolutely nothing to prepare you to perform better on the next shot, all it does is prepare you to think about how badly you hit your previous shot the next time you get up to the table. The 2nd statement has your mind visualizing and thinking about the proper way to get things done.

Focus is THE KEY to successful pool, tennis, golf, darts, life... learning how to quiet your conscious mind and act without thinking while staying calm is a difficult but essential thing to do. Many great pros will have just blank looks on their faces, and look as if they aren't thinking of anything at all... as if the pressure doesn't exist. Well, to them it doesn't exist because they have quieted self 1... all of those mental barriers exist within self 1 only. The only barrier that exists within self 2 is your physical barriers, if your body doesn't have the muscle memory and skills it needs to perform, then it's not going to happen. But once that happens, if self 2 is completely in control... you aren't going to miss. This is called being in the zone, everyone has been there.

Another very important point that is made in this book is that no one can force themselves into the zone. Why? Because that would require a conscious effort, which is an act of self 1. You have to tell yourself "Ok let's get in the zone"... well, that automatically precludes from being in the zone. Self 1 cannot force self 2 into doing anything. The great players have either learned techniques to or just naturally get in the zone at higher rates than other people and for longer periods of time. Tiger Woods isn't great because of his physical abilities... it's because he quiets self 1 and his focus is incredible. Same as Jordan, Bryant, Sampras... when they are on the bench you can always see that they aren't looking at a specific thing, just sort of looking off into space... they are simply there without being aware of their surroundings or what is going on.

So, a good way to start practicing this is to do some meditation... practice it and give yourself 10-20 minutes every day, that's all you need and I promise you that it will be very challenging and rewarding. Close your eyes and relax somehow.. sitting or laying down, whatever... and only focus on your breathing. Deep breaths, feel the breathing but don't think about breathing, just feel it. If you want, and while self 1 is involved in this part of meditation it is very insignificantly, you should count your breaths of air.. but if you have ANY other thought creep into your head at all, then you have to start your count over. This is TOUGH! You won't get past 1 or 2 the first session.. you will be thinking about not thinking... that's wrong, you lose! lol.

Here is a link to good meditation technique: http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php

And thanks for posting this... just writing this out is helpful for me to continue practicing mental toughness. Seriously, get that book and read it. The book is easy to read and enjoyable, it is like my players bible.. if my mental game seems to be going and I feel lost... i read a couple of chapters and it really helps me. The mental game is something that must be constantly reinforced and practiced.
 
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