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follow? i don't think you could execute that shot with follow. i believe with that much angle you want 2 or 3 tips of right english and a hair below center. if you put follow on the cue, you should come up on the other side of the 8.
 
I like practicing this shot with the one ball a couple of inches off the rail and by that same third diamond and with the cue ball at the same place as pictured by the OP. It needs to be hit with right bottom and softly to drag the ball to that same position on the eight. This shot is nothing but touch and feel and confidence that you will do it. It's won me games that couldn't be won any other way.
 
Neil said:
Look at the shot again. The way it is set up, you need follow to get to the rail, but to the rail only. The way dabarbr described setting it up, then you would be right, you would use low right on it.

I'm not saying you have to hit the cb at 1 o'clock, but you have to have a following cb, or you won't ever get to the rail.
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ok, i have to try it from that position. looks to me like the natural path off the 1 will put you to the rail though.
 
jdxprs said:
ok, i have to try it from that position. looks to me like the natural path off the 1 will put you to the rail though.
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A rolling cue ball at this angle would impact the object ball and follow a path roughly 30 degrees left of the center line. Of course, the harder you strike the cue ball, the longer it will follow the 90 degree tangent line before the forward spin catches and the cue ball begins to roll again, so soft is essential. With just right english, you run the risk of striking the object ball with no roll and increasing this angle substantially closer to the 90 degree line, most likely bringing you towards the side pocket.
 
Theres is no high on the shot ,,,,,,,,,,,,
I play alot of 8ball on the barbox and this is where alot of these type of shots comes up..
 
For the table layout shown, I am wondering why not just let the CB bounce off the rail (no side spin) and float down the table to shoot the 8-ball into the other corner pocket?
 
MitchAlsup said:
For the table layout shown, I am wondering why not just let the CB bounce off the rail (no side spin) and float down the table to shoot the 8-ball into the other corner pocket?[/QUOT

I dont know how i done this.....?
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Neil said:
Wellllllll...... I'm glad you posted a U-tube clip. I just watched it in slow mo' at least a dozen times. It is hard to see with the camera angle, but you did hit the cb about 1/2 tip above center. That means you put high on the cb. Not a lot of high, but follow nevertheless.

As already stated, you only have 3 options, draw, stun, or follow. You aren't getting past the side without follow on the cb. Follow doesn't necessarily mean you have to hit real high on the cb.
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Not trying to argue here Neil but if you can get done with high or just above center hit thats great.Heck im just a banger without a clue.
 
Neil said:
No, you are not a banger, and yes, you do have a clue. I strongly suspect you are not hitting the cb where you think you are. Look at your clip that you posted. And, if you or anyone else can get the cb to follow without putting follow on it, please teach me! I know all about draw-drag. Even though you can hit below center, you can get follow by distance between the cb and ob. But, it is still follow. If the cb goes forward, you are following it. However, in your video, you are not hitting below center at actual contact.
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not to nitpick but the draw/slide/drag chain ends with a rolling CB and a rolling cueball has a predictable angle after impact see Dr. Daves 30/90 rule..

a following cueball CAN bend the tangent line much further

a following cueball requires a high hit

a rolling CB does not
 
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There's a big problem with the diagram. The cue ball's line shows it stunning sideways right in the middle of the 1 ball. But that wouldn't be the CB's actual path. It would stun sideways 1 ball's width in front of the 1, where it makes contact. So imagine that black line that ends at "A" starting a full ball's width back. The result would be the cue ball running into the 8, not landing a ball's width away from it.

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Anyway, I get the idea, and it shows what extreme soft spin can accomplish.

You can get follow without actually following by hitting at less than stun/stop shot speed. It picks up roll from the cloth. However imo it looks like you can't get the CB to travel so many feet without at least a LITTLE topspin to help it along. With extreme center right you do widen the angle a lot, and the spin can carry the CB a bit further off the rail than it normally would go. But I don't think spin alone with zero follow can carry it all the way to A.
 
Neil said:
The point I'm trying to make, is that you only have 3 choices, draw, follow, and stop or stun. If the cb follows, due to whatever reason, you followed the ob. Period. That is why I said you have to follow the ob on this shot. If you don't, you will either scratch, or hit below the side pocket. I'm not trying to argue on how you get the follow, or the different paths with different ways to follow. I am just saying that you have to follow it.

Look at the shot- what did the cb do after contact? It followed. I really don't see the problem here???
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I it's semantics really but I have 4 choices not counting side spin

draw, slide (stop/stun), roll, and follow... follow is intentional.. roll is inevitable
 
If you just look at the tangent line here, it is obvious that Neil is right. It has to be follow. I also like these shots, thanks for posting 8pack.
 
This shot is very similar to a shot in my 9 ball book. In the book, I call the shot "Impending Doom" -and yes - I recommend follow.
 
Blackjack said:
This shot is very similar to a shot in my 9 ball book. In the book, I call the shot "Impending Doom" -and yes - I recommend follow.
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You say you recommend follow on the shot.What part of the cueball are you going to strike to get it.,,,,,,,,Pretend the cb is a clock,,,,,,,,.
 
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