How much is too much for you to bet racing to 9?

[Fatboy]

Any game except 14.1, but 8,9,10 ball and maybe 6 playing one pocket and full rack banks. What I mean a set thats going to take 1 to 2.5 hours maximum.

ITS A PRIVATE POLL SO NOBODY CAN SEE YOUR ANSWERE, ITS NOTHING TO BE EMBARASSED ABOUT SO BE HONEST!!!

At what point or dollar amount you bet(getting staked dosent count) does the $$$ start to show up in your stroke,
The reason I'm asking is I had that feeling tonight, the $$ beat me, even If I was playing my best I had my hands real full, I could shake it off for a few shots then it was right back, I have had this feeling many times over the years going up the ladder-its just been along time.


Please dont say well Fatboy you got it so you can afford it, I have never looked at $$$ like that and thats why I'm still here is the depression holding on. To me a dollar is a dollar no matter what i'm holding, I have never had so much $$ that principal in my life changed. Now if I was a Saudi Prince making $2,500,000/day with no taxes and selling oil then yeah I would change my point of view, and $$$ would become meaningless to me.

So back to the question your palying races and at what point does the $$$ put a little lead in your stroke?

I played a race out of my comfort zone tonight and had that feeling that the bet was the biggest problem,


Please dont ask me who or how much, I appericate that,

I remeber the first time I played for $400, OMG I couldnt play for a month after that. Tonight wasnt anything like that, but i'm not happy, I will break through I awalys have in the past. I'm not making $$$ so yeah it stings like a *****. I'm playing again tomarrow, i refuse to lose and refuse to let the $$$ be a obstruction long term.

 

[Fatboy]

After we get a good selection of data here, I'm going to have a follow up thread and speed of the player, I have seen a C player in $5000 action on a consistant basis(only one guy) long ago, I have seen top players rattle so bad for the $$$ it makes me wonder how they play that weak(I'm not naming names at all from the past-I dont care how long ago it was-its bad form to put biz like that in the streets.

The corrallation between gamble speed and tournemnt speed and $1/game speed, has awalys been a curious topic to me.


I have had so much bet when i was a C player I was litterly dizzy and the balls looked like Tomatoes and forget about the pockets, my hands were numb and the cue didnt even feel like a cue, I have pushed past that level, bu I do know the feeling. If anyone has any stories I'd love to hear them. I want this to be a good quality post for AZ, and this topic hasnt realy come up. at least I didnt see it.

I bet there will be some good long stories with this thread


best

Fatboy


PS stake horse $$$ or corporation $$ dosent count, it has to be 100% your own $$$-I dont care how you got it, I'm interested in how you bet it.It also has to be gambling $$$ not playing for 1St in tournment where there is $$$ at stake because if you lose and take 2nd you still win. Has to be out the gate action. PS no air barrels

 

[Luxury]

My biggest 9 ball set bet was $500 and I was nervous the whole time. Why? The cash was posted and the whole room was watching. I was more nervous that I would look like a choke artist than losing the money. I was also nervous about making it safe to my car.

What was I most nervous about? A controversial foul.

 

[PaulieB]

I'm not a strong player at all, but if I think I've got the best of it, I'll toss up a few hundred here and there.

Anything around $500 on the line gets me shaking though, I'm a wimp I guess.

 

[Geometry]

I basically see two things.

Bankroll management and advantage percentage. It would be stupid to bet your entire bankroll on one game when the player is only slightly worse than you.

If you are almost certainly going to win - lets say 90%-100% then I would bet about 60% of bankroll.

If you have a strong advantage - lets say 80% chance of winning overall, I would bet around 40% of my bankroll.

If you have a weak advantage - lets say 60% then I would bet about 10% of bank roll in order to cut down variance.

If its 50/50 then just make it low as you can... say 5% because these are just pointless in terms of profit... You might as well bet on a coin flip.

If its less than 50% mostly you shouldn't be playing. However, if you see it as an investment against a really good player you can learn from... that's ok, just keep it to the minimum amount.

I would bet always in accordance to my bankroll. Obviously you have to be tighter and assume more ploys the more you bet.

 

[Gerry]

hey Fatboy, another follow up poll should be tourney shakes vs action shakes.

I have , on more then one occasion, not been able to settle down and play in big tourneys because of the pros playing.........then turn around after being knocked out and gamble fairly high with no issues?

weird huh

I think wanting to play so well in tourneys gets me too amp'd up and the adrenaline starts going. Knowing I have more time/money/barrels when gambling just lets me calm down quick I think?

G.

 

[12310bch]

Death by analysis

I basically see two things.

Bankroll management and advantage percentage. It would be stupid to bet your entire bankroll on one game when the player is only slightly worse than you.

If you are almost certainly going to win - lets say 90%-100% then I would bet about 60% of bankroll.

If you have a strong advantage - lets say 80% chance of winning overall, I would bet around 40% of my bankroll.

If you have a weak advantage - lets say 60% then I would bet about 10% of bank roll in order to cut down variance.

If its 50/50 then just make it low as you can... say 5% because these are just pointless in terms of profit... You might as well bet on a coin flip.

If its less than 50% mostly you shouldn't be playing. However, if you see it as an investment against a really good player you can learn from... that's ok, just keep it to the minimum amount.

I would bet always in accordance to my bankroll. Obviously you have to be tighter and assume more ploys the more you bet.

But what if you don't have your laptop with you?

You talk about; percentages , variance, minimums, profits -but then you use nebulous terms like; let's say, you might, really good player, assume more.
You can't quantify it. If you feel good about it, you do it. If you don't feel
good about it and do it anyway ,(peer pressure, impaired judgement, ego) you lose for sure.
You figure your average game against his average game and you hope he doesn't go zone on you. You find out if it's a trap real quick.

 

[12310bch]

like looking in a mirror

hey Fatboy, another follow up poll should be tourney shakes vs action shakes.

I have , on more then one occasion, not been able to settle down and play in big tourneys because of the pros playing.........then turn around after being knocked out and gamble fairly high with no issues?

weird huh

I think wanting to play so well in tourneys gets me too amp'd up and the adrenaline starts going. Knowing I have more time/money/barrels when gambling just lets me calm down quick I think?

G.

You just described me. A $10.00 entry tournament and I'm a zombie.
A $100 9-ball set and I'm O.K. (as long as it isn't mortgage money lol)

 

[Myk]

I voted anything over $20 takes me out of my comfort zone. My finances are in bad shape for the last couple years, and that has lowered my comfort level considerably.

 

[efirkey]

My mother who is a poker player and has gambled tons always told me that you can never gamble with scared money. she always said to not gamble with money you can not afford to lose. And I follow that advice.

When I get nervous depends on how much money I have on me at the time and how big the bet is. If I have $60 in my pocket, $20 sets make me real nervous. I can only lose 2 sets with table time before I am broke. Now if I have $1000 in my pocket $20 sets seem very boring.

 

[12310bch]

Mixed feelings

My mother who is a poker player and has gambled tons always told me that you can never gamble with scared money. she always said to not gamble with money you can not afford to lose. And I follow that advice.

When I get nervous depends on how much money I have on me at the time and how big the bet is. If I have $60 in my pocket, $20 sets make me real nervous. I can only lose 2 sets with table time before I am broke. Now if I have $1000 in my pocket $20 sets seem very boring.

I know what your saying and myself and most people feel the same way. The perfect gambler is one who plays like he has all the money in the world
but fights for every $1.00 as a matter of principle.

 

[FRDennis]

I voted $300 is too much for me

I play high B speed and my comfort zone is between 50-200. I like to play with at least 3x the amount of the set in my pocket at minimum and am not comfortable carrying more than 1k on me.

 

[Black-Balled]

After .....my hands were numb and the cue didnt even feel like a cue,... PS no air barrels

So, tell me. If you are playing a 5k set and you have 15k on you...20k more to your name, is it ant different
than playing a 5k set and you have 15k on you...with 1m+ to your name.

 

[Geometry]

But what if you don't have your laptop with you?

Why on earth would you need a laptop to get a rough feel for the chances of you winning vs another player?

I know your just trying to be humorous but that just doesn't have any comic appeal. It's not clever , its not imaginative and its not witty. I don't know a single person that plays pool that doesn't size up other people and can put it within a rough percentage.

You talk about; percentages , variance, minimums, profits -but then you use nebulous terms like; let's say, you might, really good player, assume more.
You can't quantify it.

My post was to provide a rough framework of how I think the percentages should approximately pan out, it's not to be a mathematical thesis of perfection.

If you feel good about it, you do it. If you don't feel
good about it and do it anyway ,(peer pressure, impaired judgement, ego) you lose for sure.

Yeah that sure helps people. So basically you're telling people "see how you feel" and then critique me for being too vague. My post was E=mc2 in comparison to your ABC b***h.

You figure your average game against his average game and you hope he doesn't go zone on you. You find out if it's a trap real quick.

People that underestimate other people and play them for money are usually morons.

 

[tom mcgonagle]

Some people try to out play you others try to out bet you. You better be equipted to play them either way. I always liked to have at least five to six bullets in my gun before I would even consider playing someone for money.

If I hadn't gambled for a consierable amount of time, I kept the bet low knowing there was a good chance of me losing.

I never thought about the money until after I was through playing. I either had more or less after we stopped playing.

The times I broke my rules, I got clobbered.

 

[tom mcgonagle]

Some people try to out play you others try to out bet you. You better be equipped to play them either way. I always liked to have at least five to six bullets in my gun before I would even consider playing someone for money.

If I hadn't gambled for a considerable amount of time, I kept the bet low knowing there was a good chance of me losing.

I never thought about the money until after I was through playing. I either had more or less after we stopped playing.

The times I broke my rules, I got clobbered.

 

[Black-Balled]

you can say that again

 

[12310bch]

NOt nice to talk that way

Why on earth would you need a laptop to get a rough feel for the chances of you winning vs another player?

I know your just trying to be humorous but that just doesn't have any comic appeal. It's not clever , its not imaginative and its not witty. I don't know a single person that plays pool that doesn't size up other people and can put it within a rough percentage.



My post was to provide a rough framework of how I think the percentages should approximately pan out, it's not to be a mathematical thesis of perfection.



Yeah that sure helps people. So basically you're telling people "see how you feel" and then critique me for being too vague. My post was E=mc2 in comparison to your ABC b***h.



People that underestimate other people and play them for money are usually morons.

If your going to make friends here you shouldn't insult them and then try to justify it with a smiley face. I gave you my opinion. You
over- quantify. Your formula is your way of doing it. I differ. I won't offer you a hypocritical smiley face to justify my post. :kma:

 

[Big Perm]

When I used to gamble a bit, $100 sets were no biggie, but that was my ceiling.....after a hundie, I got uncomfortable.....not embarrassed, that's just the extent of my cheapness

In my few trips to Vegas, my rule is $100 a day for gambling....whether it takes 8 hours or 10 minutes, when the hundie is gone, it's time to entertain myself otherwise......

 

[12310bch]

for geometry

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