Ferrule options?

[Tokyo-dave]

Wonder if somebody out there could give me a link or a good explanation or rundown on the different ferrule materials and their characteristics? Ran into a guy last night that swears my shafts would play better with a different ferrule "to match the intense density of your ebony butt and tight grained shafts." And he went on to explain that lightening up in the front won't always result in less deflection. It's more or less a matter of finding a match between ferrule material and hardwoods used in the cue and it's shaft???
A little confused but interested. My main player has an Ivor-X ferrule that I have loved for the crisp hit, but yeah a little more deflection than what I'm used to. The spare shaft has an ivory ferrule with much more deflection.
Just curious.
dave

 

[bnall]

Wonder if somebody out there could give me a link or a good explanation or rundown on the different ferrule materials and their characteristics? Ran into a guy last night that swears my shafts would play better with a different ferrule "to match the intense density of your ebony butt and tight grained shafts." And he went on to explain that lightening up in the front won't always result in less deflection. It's more or less a matter of finding a match between ferrule material and hardwoods used in the cue and it's shaft???
A little confused but interested. My main player has an Ivor-X ferrule that I have loved for the crisp hit, but yeah a little more deflection than what I'm used to. The spare shaft has an ivory ferrule with much more deflection.
Just curious.
dave

The best hit for me is a 3/4" ivory uncapped ivory ferrule and a Masonh 3/4" ferrule with milk dud tips. Leaving these ferrules uncapped will provide less weight up front for less deflection.

 

[8Ball48043]

Wonder if somebody out there could give me a link or a good explanation or rundown on the different ferrule materials and their characteristics? Ran into a guy last night that swears my shafts would play better with a different ferrule "to match the intense density of your ebony butt and tight grained shafts." And he went on to explain that lightening up in the front won't always result in less deflection. It's more or less a matter of finding a match between ferrule material and hardwoods used in the cue and it's shaft???
A little confused but interested. My main player has an Ivor-X ferrule that I have loved for the crisp hit, but yeah a little more deflection than what I'm used to. The spare shaft has an ivory ferrule with much more deflection.
Just curious.
dave

You may want to try the "Ask the Cuemaker" forum.

In the interim, Atlas describes some of the characteristic of their ferrule material on their web site: http://www.cuestik.com/store/?DEPARTMENT_ID=36

 

[snipershot]

The best hit for me is a 3/4" ivory uncapped ivory ferrule and a Masonh 3/4" ferrule with milk dud tips. Leaving these ferrules uncapped will provide less weight up front for less deflection.

I had an uncapped ivory ferrule on a shaft for my Scruggs that lasted less than a day before it cracked. Almost every other material will work uncapped, but I just dont trust the ivory without the cap.


Joe

 

[dr9ball]

You may want to try the "Ask the Cuemaker" forum.

In the interim, Atlas describes some of the characteristic of their ferrule material on their web site: http://www.cuestik.com/store/?DEPARTMENT_ID=36

I went to the link provided and found something interesting. Ivory seems to be about the same weight as some of the other ferrule materials.

The 1 inch x 14mm Ivory Rod weighs .017oz (this isn't even hollowed out yet to fit on the tennon of the shaft, so final weight would be less.

IVORINE -4 CAPPED & THREADED FERRULE 5/16-18 ID x .562" OD x 1.000" .01oz

AEGIS-2 CAPPED & THREADED FERRULE 5/16-18 x 1.00" .05oz

ELFORYN CAPPED AND THREADED FERRULE 5/16-18 INTERNAL THREAD X 1.00 LENGTH .01oz

Since the thousandths digit isn't listed for Ivorine -4, and Elforyn (Aegis-2 weighs more than Ivory according to this site), is the .007 the difference that causes the increased deflection with ivory?

Also since the Ivory isn't threaded yet and is a solid rod I think the weights will be alot closer once it its tapped out with threads.

Any thoughts on this "weighty" issue as it pertains to squirt characteristics?

Thanks

 

[Tokyo-dave]

I went to the link provided and found something interesting. Ivory seems to be about the same weight as some of the other ferrule materials.

The 1 inch x 14mm Ivory Rod weighs .017oz (this isn't even hollowed out yet to fit on the tennon of the shaft, so final weight would be less.

IVORINE -4 CAPPED & THREADED FERRULE 5/16-18 ID x .562" OD x 1.000" .01oz

AEGIS-2 CAPPED & THREADED FERRULE 5/16-18 x 1.00" .05oz

ELFORYN CAPPED AND THREADED FERRULE 5/16-18 INTERNAL THREAD X 1.00 LENGTH .01
Since the thousandths digit isn't listed for Ivorine -4, and Elforyn (Aegis-2 weighs more than Ivory according to this site), is the .007 the difference that causes the increased deflection with ivory?

Also since the Ivory isn't threaded yet and is a solid rod I think the weights will be alot closer once it its tapped out with threads.

Any thoughts on this "weighty" issue as it pertains to squirt characteristics?

Thanks

It's the whole weight issue that has me thinking. Up til now, it's always been about lightening up on the ferrule end as far as reducing deflection is concerned. The guy I talked to was trying to convince me it's more of a match between materials in the cue that makes the difference. Just never heard that point of view before.
dave

 

[LAlouie]

Wonder if somebody out there could give me a link or a good explanation or rundown on the different ferrule materials and their characteristics? Ran into a guy last night that swears my shafts would play better with a different ferrule "to match the intense density of your ebony butt and tight grained shafts." And he went on to explain that lightening up in the front won't always result in less deflection. It's more or less a matter of finding a match between ferrule material and hardwoods used in the cue and it's shaft???
A little confused but interested. My main player has an Ivor-X ferrule that I have loved for the crisp hit, but yeah a little more deflection than what I'm used to. The spare shaft has an ivory ferrule with much more deflection.
Just curious.
dave

That guy sounds like a blowhard. It has already been shown that a softer ferrule material does lessen deflection. Nonetheless, whatever anyone says, what he likes in a cue's hit has nothing to do with what YOU would prefer, so you shouldn't listen to him in any case.

That mere fact that you can discern the feel with your ivorX tells me you don't have to listen to anyone but yourself.