This Aiming System Crap is Killing Me
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You know, when you consider the fourth word in the title of this thread, it would be so apropros for an emoticon showing "a snare-hit-with-cymbal-crash." I looked for one, but couldn't find it. Potty jokes galores in this one!
P.S. to JB: as to your comment about the loophole being that the proof of concept video "teaches" you how to make the shot, that's obvious, yes, but it's not the loophole I was talking about. It's actually much simpler than that -- going back to the original terms of the prop bet and the subsequent oversights in the continuing "moving target" terms. Spimp13's post almost blew the covers off of it.
You know, when you consider the fourth word in the title of this thread, it would be so apropros for an emoticon showing "a snare-hit-with-cymbal-crash." I looked for one, but couldn't find it. Potty jokes galores in this one!
P.S. to JB: as to your comment about the loophole being that the proof of concept video "teaches" you how to make the shot, that's obvious, yes, but it's not the loophole I was talking about. It's actually much simpler than that -- going back to the original terms of the prop bet and the subsequent oversights in the continuing "moving target" terms. Spimp13's post almost blew the covers off of it.
Yeah I still don't see and don't have the brain power nor the desire to spend time deciphering my own silly propositions. I guess if you won't enlighten us then it will have to remain a secret.
On another note I did learn a pretty sporty high percentage one pocket shot the other day. It started out as a shot that I was playing with messing with BHE and when I saw the subsequent reaction of the balls I figured out how to make it happen on purpose. It's a shot with 80% success rate just playing around and probably 100% with deliberate focus.
No system needed.
Didn't you say you had a bet on it? Well the jelly me up cuz I played my heart out and didn't dog it off for you here.
[...hems, haws...] Hmm... ok. I relent, since noone PM'ed me, it's getting late (after 9pm EDT here), and like you predicted -- noone appears interested in biting on the prop bet.
The loophole is in the format of the challenge. Spimp13 just about blew the covers on the loophole. Since you're in the routine of *posting* videos (vs. them being live-stream), and never mentioned that the proof-of-concept video [from the prop bet acceptors] needed to be live and not recorded. Anyone could turn on his/her camera, record for as long as he/she wanted while he/she practiced the shot, then once the shot was made successfully, just manipulate the start/end times of the video to crop-out the unsuccessful attempts, keeping just the sequence where the shot was made successfully. The trick is, after each unsuccessful attempt, to remove the balls off the table, and step away from the table. Let the table sit in view of the camera for a few seconds, and then approach the table again anew, placing the balls back on the table and setting the shot up again. This way, with the "header" of the empty table in view of the camera, after the successful attempt at the shot is cropped out (getting rid of the unsuccessful attempts), one can easily prepend an introduction to that successful attempt, making it look like the shot was made on the first try. Obviously, the camera needs to be in a fixed position and never moved the entire time -- including for the "intro" preface video -- so when the intro + the successful attempt are stitched together, the viewer (you) can never tell.
On another note I did learn a pretty sporty high percentage one pocket shot the other day. It started out as a shot that I was playing with messing with BHE and when I saw the subsequent reaction of the balls I figured out how to make it happen on purpose. It's a shot with 80% success rate just playing around and probably 100% with deliberate focus.
No system needed.
Ah, I LOVE those "automatic" type shots! Yep, you piqued my interest with that one -- say "one pocket" anything, and I'm all ears! I did a shot the other day where my opponent broke, and I had to get out of his break. I saw a neat combo-carom in the stack facing my pocket, but I was on the wrong side of it. Aiming away from the stack towards the knuckle of the side pocket, I kicked the cue ball off that knuckle, into the stack, and pocketed that wired combo-carom out of the stack. It spread the stack nicely towards my hole (just in case the shot bobbled) and my opponent just shook his head. I picked 'em off for a nice 8-and-out. :thumbup2:
-Sean
What's eight and out?
Eight balls pocketed into my pocket -- the ultimate goal of one pocket.
If you're interested in this wonderful game of strategy, here's a nice primer:
http://onepocket.org/getting_started.htm
-Sean
That would work if I had said that we could do the challenge using prerecorded video. But Brian said that he wanted to do this live so my stipulations were geared towards a challenge where both participants are at the table together. Really the $20 was added so I don't have to stand around watching a guy try a super low percentage shot 500 times and when he finally makes it tells me to do it in three tries or lose $100.
One time I did a jump shot competition with a guy for $10 a shot and we had quite a crowd watching and he picks a shot that's tough and we both try it several times without success and the crowd is getting bored. So asked him to change the shot and he didn't agree. So I sat down and told him he had "unlimited tries" and if he ever made it then I would get up and make it on my first attempt after that or pay the 10 - Jamie Bowman fell on the floor laughing. The guy was confused and Jamie had to explain what I meant. He tried it like 10 more times and finally made it and I got up and made it.
I did this to him twice. One of the sweetest moments in my pool playing life.
I will show you the one hole shot on video sometime. Here is the diagram.
It's really safe if you just focus on avoiding the kiss. Once you figure out the hit and speed then it's a great shot.
It's a system for winning at one pocket. Reportedly Grady Matthews was frustrated at Buddy Hall's repeated use of this system whenever they played in the old days.
Apparently Buddy Hall used this shortcut to victory in one pocket rather than the more standard lengthy sparring that old-school one pocket players used to hold as the only way to play one-pocket.
And there's another story of when Minnesota Fats and Willie Mosconi matched up in one of Fats challenges, Fats complained to the spectators that Willie doesn't know how to play proper one pocket, because "he (Willie) keeps running eight-and-out!"
Was Buddy in the wheelchair during this period?
Okay, as much as I've *****ed about diagrams and systems and you go and put one up in my thread where I'm *****ing about them? Take it down, or I'll follow everyone of your posts with some pictures of Maude naked. You'd like that, wouldn't you? How about Kojak naked?
No, seriously. Take it down.
Again, fu#$in' widga. Post all the diagrams you want. I won't pay any attention any way. I have the attention span of a wingnut.
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I guess I don't understand the continued references to Buddy Hall being in a wheelchair? Why are you doing this? Is it supposed to be funny?
If it is I don't get it.
All of the "methods" and "habits" that Buddy has honed over the years wouldn't be applicable if he was playing from a seated position. He'd have to learn a whole new set of "habits." Like, if I broke both of my legs, my existing set of playing habits would be changed. So, I guess the point I'm making is that no one set of anything will always work for everyone. But, let's not start this again, even though this is my thread.
Buddy has the best fundamentals of anyone I've ever seen. Noone, to me, is more sound when it comes to being "cueball precise."
jb,are you saying you will bet you can make that one pocket shot 8 out of 10 times? I know your surely joking about that.
Depends on what you consider the shot to be. I know what I consider the shot to be and yes I can make it at least 8 out 10 times, probably 10 out of ten if I really bear down. It's a hanger.
I guess this is a fair example of perspective and interpretation.
Sean, what do I consider the shot to be here in order to count it as a successful shot?
I would say, if you either pocket the ball, or embed the ball in the jaws of the pocket where it can't be dug out of the pocket (with e.g. a smack-draw kick shot into one of the cushions nearest the ball), thereby forcing your opponent to shoot the ball in to give it to you, I would say that shot was successful. Very. That is, unless, your opponent only needs a couple balls and, if you didn't make the shot outright, you sold out those remaining balls -- in which case, I would say the shot was a "flyer" or "white flag."
Anyway, I seem to recall watching Scott Frost make a couple of those shots -- or slight variants -- in some of the matches I'd watched (again, "make" means pocket the ball outright, or embed it in the jaws of the pocket where it can't be dug out).
Hope that helps,
-Sean
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Close. The SHOT here is to put the object ball on my side and the cueball under behind the group of balls facing my hole.
As long as the cue ball goes where it's supposed to then it's a good offensive (get the object ball on my side close to my hole and protected) and a good defensive shot as it leaves no shot to the opponent's pocket.
IF the object ball goes, which it did here 2 out of ten tries then it's a bonus because I am then facing my pocket and probably have a clear easy shot from this position.
Anyway that's how I see the shot from this position.
True confessions
Decided to hit some balls and thought (which i rarely do) about my aiming process.
Seems like i aim my cue's tip more or less through the middle of the cue ball at where i think i want to hit the object ball. Does that mean i use "CTE"?
Describing what happens when using english (swerve/deflection adjustments) is beyond the scope of this entry.
Decided to hit some balls and thought (which i rarely do) about my aiming process.
Seems like i aim my cue's tip more or less through the middle of the cue ball at where i think i want to hit the object ball. Does that mean i use "CTE"?
Describing what happens when using english (swerve/deflection adjustments) is beyond the scope of this entry.