This Aiming System Crap is Killing Me

JB Cases said:
Whatever. You're right I am wrong. So no bets. I was completely in the wrong to make that claim without outlining the stipulation that the shots have to be proven that they can be made otherwise in three tries. Lesson learned.

You got me. If you grow some heart and want to try it with the stipulation that YOU and this time I mean YOU personally have to shoot the shots first then we have action.

So having learned my lesson I am going to outline just exactly how I will bet on this proposition.

1. The shots have to be direct shots with a clear path to the object ball and a clear path to a pocket. No bank shots, no masse shots, no jump shots.

2. You personally have to make the shot first in three tries or less to prove it can be made.

3. Since my time is so valuable you have to post $20 for every shot you want to try. If you make it in three tries then the $20 stays with you. If you miss the shot then I get the $20 for the time I spent watching you try it.

4. IF you are able to make the shot then I will attempt it using the CTE aiming system or whatever similar system that I know (as I may not really know the proper CTE system) and if I fail to make it then I will pay you $100. If I make it in three tries you pay me $100.

5. We are betting on a per shot basis so either of us can quit after the completion of paying off for the previous shot.

Should I have my lawyer send the contract over? I don't think I forgot anything. You have until next March to consider it as that is when I will be at the Super Billiards Expo where I hope to see you there as well.
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So, opponent pays off on misses and you don't? Nice. Can I use this? Is it patented? So, I get paid on misses, then he has to make it or coughs up a buck? Then, I get a free wheel at it either way. Don't tell anybody, but I like the way you thought this one out.

Put the heat on him to make his prop shot, he pays off for misses, and then I get a free whack at doubling my cheese. Dude, sounds like something I'd come up with in a bar. Kudos.
 
crawfish said:
So, opponent pays off on misses and you don't? Nice. Can I use this? Is it patented? So, I get paid on misses, then he has to make it or coughs up a buck? Then, I get a free wheel at it either way. Don't tell anybody, but I like the way you thought this one out.

Put the heat on him to make his prop shot, he pays off for misses, and then I get a free whack at doubling my cheese. Dude, sounds like something I'd come up with in a bar. Kudos.
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Ah, guys, but there's a hole in this one, if you're sharp enough to look for it. You're guaranteed to keep your $20 for this "shot proof of concept" and put the pressure on JB to make the shot. The problem is the very same "hole" can be exploited by JB to ensure he wins the $100 "after proof of concept" challenge. No matter what, this bet is definitely stacked in JB's favor. He wins $80 merely by "equaling" your abilities.

-Sean
 
Another stupid a$$ thread,aiming systems are not killing me,but this bunch of bull$hit is.Hell I might as well start another aiming thread
 
sfleinen said:
Ah, guys, but there's a hole in this one, if you're sharp enough to look for it. You're guaranteed to keep your $20 for this "shot proof of concept" and put the pressure on JB to make the shot. The problem is the very same "hole" can be exploited by JB to ensure he wins the $100 "after proof of concept" challenge. No matter what, this bet is definitely stacked in JB's favor. He wins $80 merely by "equaling" your abilities.

-Sean
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Huh? No, if he doesn't make the shot then he pays. I don't have to try it. I only try the shots he makes. I win $100 for pocketing the same shot. Not $80. I can't win $80. I can't win $120 on any shot. I can only lose $100 per shot I fail to make. There is no way for me to ensure that I can win $100 other than to duplicate the shot. There is no hole here. if they make it then I have to make using CTE as my aiming method to line up.

The reason for this is that I don't want to stand around all day while a person tries to trap me with one proposition shot after another. So the $20 makes it important for them to select shots that are truly makeable in a reasonable sense. I didn't mean for the bet to include someone setting up some super tough shots that only Efren can make once in a thousand tries.

Since the idea is that CTE is not valid then it should be easy enough for a person to come up with some shots that they can make using GB or feel or whatever which CTE can't handle. That was the point of the original challenge not to say that CTE can be used to make every ultra low percentage one-out-of-a-hundred proposition shot in the world. I figured that most people would "get that" and I think most understood it.

Anyway it's all moot. I have learned the lesson not to make "wanna bet" posts on AZ without laying out all the ground rules in notarized fashion. I will readjust my posting style to make my points without reverting to the poolroom barking that I love so much.

See, I can learn a new system of posting.
 
JB Cases said:
Huh? No, if he doesn't make the shot then he pays. I don't have to try it. I only try the shots he makes. I win $100 for pocketing the same shot. Not $80. I can't win $80. I can't win $120 on any shot. I can only lose $100 per shot I fail to make. There is no way for me to ensure that I can win $100 other than to duplicate the shot. There is no hole here. if they make it then I have to make using CTE as my aiming method to line up.

The reason for this is that I don't want to stand around all day while a person tries to trap me with one proposition shot after another. So the $20 makes it important for them to select shots that are truly makeable in a reasonable sense. I didn't mean for the bet to include someone setting up some super tough shots that only Efren can make once in a thousand tries.

Since the idea is that CTE is not valid then it should be easy enough for a person to come up with some shots that they can make using GB or feel or whatever which CTE can't handle. That was the point of the original challenge not to say that CTE can be used to make every ultra low percentage one-out-of-a-hundred proposition shot in the world. I figured that most people would "get that" and I think most understood it.

Anyway it's all moot. I have learned the lesson not to make "wanna bet" posts on AZ without laying out all the ground rules in notarized fashion. I will readjust my posting style to make my points without reverting to the poolroom barking that I love so much.

See, I can learn a new system of posting.
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No, John, I hinted at something, without giving it away. The second sentence following the "if you're sharp enough to look for it" was NOT the "hole" I was talking about in a guarantee of keeping one's $20 for the proof of concept.

There's a hole in your seemingly locktight terms that guarantees the person taking your bet keeps his/her $20. I'm not going to say anything more about it (those interested know what to do with the PM thingie).

But, what good is all this in keeping the $20? The same hole can be exploited by you to *then* win the $100.

Got it?
-Sean

EDIT: the $80 was a typo -- I had my mind on "revenue" for some reason.
 
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crawfish said:
So, opponent pays off on misses and you don't? Nice. Can I use this? Is it patented? So, I get paid on misses, then he has to make it or coughs up a buck? Then, I get a free wheel at it either way. Don't tell anybody, but I like the way you thought this one out.

Put the heat on him to make his prop shot, he pays off for misses, and then I get a free whack at doubling my cheese. Dude, sounds like something I'd come up with in a bar. Kudos.
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Well thanks but you misunderstood the rules.

He only pays off $20 if he doesn't make the shot. I don't have to try the shot if he can't make it.

If he makes the shot then I get to try it and if I fail I lose.

I set it up so that it's fair for me to spend my time doing it. If a guy wants to bring a bunch of near impossible shots then let him try them all at $20 a swing.

If you think about it I am still trapping myself with this bet.

Take any super tough shot. Under my rules he gets to swing at it 15 times before he is $100 loser. If he makes it once in those 15 shots then he is less than $100 loser and I only get 3 tries to make it or I lose $100. So because he is getting 15 to 3 on the attempts I get a shot at 5:4 on the money at best as well under that scenario. Because IF I were able to make the shot in three tries then I win $100 plus the 20s he paid me trying to make it. I can see how to beat me several ways here.

Anyway I don't really need to explain myself. I set the stipulations as I learned I have to do and the answers are pretty easy, yes, no, or counter-offer.
 
sfleinen said:
No, John, I hinted at something, without giving it away. The second sentence following the "if you're sharp enough to look for it" was NOT the "hole" I was talking about in a guarantee of keeping one's $20 for the proof of concept.

There's a hole in your seemingly locktight terms that guarantees the person taking your bet keeps his/her $20. I'm not going to say anything more about it (those interested know what to do with the PM thingie).

But, what good is all this in keeping the $20? The same hole can be exploited by you to *then* win the $100.

Got it?
-Sean

EDIT: the $80 was a typo -- I had my mind on "revenue" for some reason.
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Trust me. None of my "terms" are ever locktight. Ask Roy Steffenson how eager I am to trap myself by making impulsive bets. I am the WORST proposition hustler on Earth.

I don't see the hole that you see but you can reveal it on here because you now full well that this is never going to result in any sort of bet anyway. So you might as well discuss it for entertainment's sake.

We can't teach people how to aim on here but we might teach them how to spot the loopholes in proposition bets :-)
 
sfleinen said:
Ah, guys, but there's a hole in this one, if you're sharp enough to look for it. You're guaranteed to keep your $20 for this "shot proof of concept" and put the pressure on JB to make the shot. The problem is the very same "hole" can be exploited by JB to ensure he wins the $100 "after proof of concept" challenge. No matter what, this bet is definitely stacked in JB's favor. He wins $80 merely by "equaling" your abilities.

-Sean
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You probably mean that they are teaching me the shot by showing me that it can be done.

So by 'proving' it they keep their $20 but I get to see how to play it and three chances to do it the way that they did it, thus 'merely' equaling their ability.

You're right if you think that this is the loophole. Realizing that I left the door open for anyone to claim that any given shot is 'makeable' I had to amend it to ensure that the makeablity is proven within reason to stay in the context of the point I was trying to make with the original challenge.
 
Sidenote: Could we please get this back on track for the people that believe the way I do about "aiming systems"? How about make up a thread about prop bets with or without CTE?

Thanks.
 
Spimp13 said:
No, but they seem to change from post to post...I want this streamed on Monday around 1:00 where it will be slow at my work so I can start making sweat bets.
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Well until someone mans up and freezes up the dough all matching up is a work in progress.

Can't say I am not trying. Hell I am ready to go to the poolroom RIGHT NOW with my cue, laptop and webcam and bet something!

Ah forget that nonsense - I am just going to go to the pool room WITHOUT my laptop and just match up there and have fun actually playing.
 
crawfish said:
Sidenote: Could we please get this back on track for the people that believe the way I do about "aiming systems"? How about make up a thread about prop bets with or without CTE?

Thanks.
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Ok, the only way to get good is however Crawfish said. Now it's back on track.
 
JB Cases said:
Ok, the only way to get good is however Crawfish said. Now it's back on track.
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Thank you John. I was wrong once about ... no, come to think of it, that worked out too. I predicted there would be over five pages to this thread.
 
Hey John, I have a proposition for you.

If I get 500 t-shirts printed up that say, "I just beat you using...."

then, on the back in HUGE letters "CTE" will you front me the dough you win from that prop bet?



Just fu#$in' widga.
 
crawfish said:
Well, enema, huh? Leave it to me to find a way to stick it up someone's a$$. Kinda thought this might lead to just a little love.
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Depending upon your prospective and general sexual orientation and Enema can be a lovely thing, hell it could be some ones way of saying I love you.:yikes::rotflmao1: Poor little guy no body loves him:kma: he didn't get an Enema:rotflmao1:

But on second thought, that is a shitty way of saying I love you:grin-devilish:
 
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