World 9ball championship/25% pinoys-final 32

houmatroy

houmatroy

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8 out of final 32 even with Efren & Dennis along with several others falling out today...Can't argue these kind of numbers....Pretty impressive when you talking best players in the whole world..:thumbup:



Actually 9 have the Pinoy flag...so even a lil stronger statement !
 
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houmatroy said:
8 out of final 32 even with Efren & Dennis along with several others falling out today...Can't argue these kind of numbers....Pretty impressive when you talking best players in the whole world..:thumbup:
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How many Filipinos started in this event? How many Americans? How many Arabs?

How many Germans? Etc.........

What would the field have looked like if say America had sent 16 players instead of 6? So in the last 32 we have 2 of 6 left. Well actually if you count Canada and Mexico we had 9 to start with :-) And we have 3 of 9 left.

Not only that the Filipinos apparently have some players playing under the flags of other countries unless this is a mistake in the listing.

China brought two players into the top 64 and one of them is in the top 32.

I guess it is fun to play with stats. Which makes the multi WC titles for Archer and Strickland even more impressive. Or Darryl Peach's victory in Manila up against an army of Filipino players including all the top names (no asterisk in that event).

I counted nine Filipinos in the stage 2 list but I don't know how many more got in through the qualifiers.

I really think that the WPA should allow qualifiers to be held on each continent for open spots. If they are going to fill spots using qualifiers then at least give people on each continent a chance to attend one without forcing them to travel around the world.

With nine spots open for qualifier winners it's pretty clear that those spots will be filled by the dominant players in the region, Filipinos and Taiwanese in this case. Someone correct me if I am wrong and those nine spots were not filled in the majority by those two nationalities.

Hong Kong brought two players and one of them is in the last 32.

Gotta say though that team PI is looking good to take it down.

Good thing is that whoever wins it only has to win four more matches. :-)
 
JB Cases said:
How many Filipinos started in this event? How many Americans? How many Arabs?

How many Germans? Etc.........

What would the field have looked like if say America had sent 16 players instead of 6? So in the last 32 we have 2 of 6 left. Well actually if you count Canada and Mexico we had 9 to start with :-) And we have 3 of 9 left.

Not only that the Filipinos apparently have some players playing under the flags of other countries unless this is a mistake in the listing.

China brought two players into the top 64 and one of them is in the top 32.

I guess it is fun to play with stats. Which makes the multi WC titles for Archer and Strickland even more impressive. Or Darryl Peach's victory in Manila up against an army of Filipino players including all the top names (no asterisk in that event).

I counted nine Filipinos in the stage 2 list but I don't know how many more got in through the qualifiers.

I really think that the WPA should allow qualifiers to be held on each continent for open spots. If they are going to fill spots using qualifiers then at least give people on each continent a chance to attend one without forcing them to travel around the world.

With nine spots open for qualifier winners it's pretty clear that those spots will be filled by the dominant players in the region, Filipinos and Taiwanese in this case. Someone correct me if I am wrong and those nine spots were not filled in the majority by those two nationalities.

Hong Kong brought two players and one of them is in the last 32.

Gotta say though that team PI is looking good to take it down.

Good thing is that whoever wins it only has to win four more matches. :-)
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I was under the impression that all players had to qualify for this event not just be invited...if so being such a small Island compared to the rest of the world makes it even more impressive IMO:)
 
houmatroy said:
I was under the impression that all players had to qualify for this event not just be invited...if so being such a small Island compared to the rest of the world makes it even more impressive IMO:)
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I don't know who said it, maybe John Schmidt, but he said that if the top players in the USA all moved to within a few miles of each other and then they matched up constantly for small money and a pecking order then you'd see more of them dominating tournaments.

The Filipinos have a lot of great players for a couple reasons chief among them being that they have a perfect situation to breed them since they tend to congregate and match up a lot. Also they have much more to gain by rising in the pecking order and getting a "job" in one of the "stables" there.

So they have the ability to focus 100% of their energy on getting as good as humanly possible, they don't require as much money to live on, and they get to spar with champions regularly.

IF I had the money I would create a team of players and move them all to the same place set up a pool room where they can train and have them matching up all the time.

To me what's more impressive than the Filipinos and Taiwanese doing well is when the players who have to pretty much grind out the professional life on their own with very little support do well.

Don't get me wrong - I LOVE the Filipino game and have mad respect for their skills. But I expect them to do well because of the opportunities they have to stay sharp and the sponsorship they enjoy.

So I don't find it surprising at all when most of their players get deep in any event they play in.

What's surprising to me is when some player who doesn't have all those advantages comes through and beats the field to take one of these events.

HOWEVER - when speaking of individual performances - Ronnie Alcano's win over Ralf Souquet when Ronnie only got in as the last qualifier winner in the last qualifier was REALLY IMPRESSIVE!
 
JB Cases said:
I don't know who said it, maybe John Schmidt, but he said that if the top players in the USA all moved to within a few miles of each other and then they matched up constantly for small money and a pecking order then you'd see more of them dominating tournaments.

The Filipinos have a lot of great players for a couple reasons chief among them being that they have a perfect situation to breed them since they tend to congregate and match up a lot. Also they have much more to gain by rising in the pecking order and getting a "job" in one of the "stables" there.

So they have the ability to focus 100% of their energy on getting as good as humanly possible, they don't require as much money to live on, and they get to spar with champions regularly.

IF I had the money I would create a team of players and move them all to the same place set up a pool room where they can train and have them matching up all the time.

To me what's more impressive than the Filipinos and Taiwanese doing well is when the players who have to pretty much grind out the professional life on their own with very little support do well.

Don't get me wrong - I LOVE the Filipino game and have mad respect for their skills. But I expect them to do well because of the opportunities they have to stay sharp and the sponsorship they enjoy.

So I don't find it surprising at all when most of their players get deep in any event they play in.

What's surprising to me is when some player who doesn't have all those advantages comes through and beats the field to take one of these events.

HOWEVER - when speaking of individual performances - Ronnie Alcano's win over Ralf Souquet when Ronnie only got in as the last qualifier winner in the last qualifier was REALLY IMPRESSIVE!
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I normally like your posts but this one I find to be ridiculous and have little or no truth to it. JMO of course.
 
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It's not going to matter anyways because a chinese taipei player will win it, and it will probably be Yang.
 
RobDeBank said:
I normally like your posts but this one I find to be ridiculous and have little or no truth to it. JMO of course.
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Really?

My information comes from reports by plenty of people who have been there, as was I once, and interviews and articles that have been done. Reports from people like Jay Helfert, Roy Steffenson, Pooladdict, and others who have been there plenty of times.

Instead of saying that there is no truth why don't you tell us what you think that the truth of it is?

Tell us what you think is false and why?
 
I just find it to be a little bit extreme to credit so much talent to variables such as the ones you suggested. It is kind of condescending to suggest that certain people only play well because of this reason or that reason. All of the pro's play well because they put in hard work and in MOST but not all cases had some kind of natural talent for the game. To try and take away their success by saying they were basically predisposed to being good because of their environment and lifestyle is like forgetting about all of the hard work they put into it.

If I came off insulting at all it was not the way I intended it to sound I am just lazy and usually type whatever takes the least amount of time. Like I said just my opinion and if I was wrong about any of the above and you were not trying to suggest any one of these things I apologize this is just how I understood it.
 
RobDeBank said:
I just find it to be a little bit extreme to credit so much talent to variables such as the ones you suggested. It is kind of condescending to suggest that certain people only play well because of this reason or that reason. All of the pro's play well because they put in hard work and in MOST but not all cases had some kind of natural talent for the game. To try and take away their success by saying they were basically predisposed to being good because of their environment and lifestyle is like forgetting about all of the hard work they put into it.

If I came off insulting at all it was not the way I intended it to sound I am just lazy and usually type whatever takes the least amount of time. Like I said just my opinion and if I was wrong about any of the above and you were not trying to suggest any one of these things I apologize this is just how I understood it.
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Ok well this opinion of yours makes sense but it's a long way from the claim that my post was ridiculous and untrue.

I wasn't suggesting that the pinoy players don't work hard. On the contrary they have to work very hard to beat out all the players who want their spot. We always hear about all the unknown champion caliber players in the Philippines. There is however a finite amount of financial support that the people who own the "stables" (I prefer teams) can afford to do. So the players who get on those teams have to work hard to maintain their status.

It's not an accident that the Filipinos and the Taiwanese have a lot of powerful players. Both countries are small and have a large concentration of players who compete with each other regularly.

My point was that if you took the top 32 players in the entire USA and condensed them into South Florida and made them play against each other regularly then they would be at their best and very sharp more often. If their place in the pecking order determined whether they got a steady income from their team owner then they would constantly be trying very very hard to maintain and improve their place.

I am not taking anything away from the Filipinos. I think that they have just about a PERFECT situation to become the very best players that can exist. Therefore I don't agree with Houmatroy that it's anything special when the Filipinos come with 16 players and most of them go deep in the field. I think exactly the opposite and would consider it to be a lot of major upsets if this didn't happen.

Conversely if you came with 6 Americans who don't have the same daily opportunities to train in the same way (not without all deliberately moving to the same areas) and who have to struggle a bit more to pay the bills (due to higher cost of living), imo and who mostly are on their own when they do these international events and they ended up with most of them going deep then it would be something unexpected.

That's my opinion on it.
 
Then what can you say about the 3 or 4 Filipinos that are still in the tournament that are not based in the Philippines? I do not think there are 'stables' in the countries they are based in nor do they get to play the 'champions' regularly.
 
Like I said I was hasty on my response due to being lazy which caused me to word it poorly, I'll say my bad on this one.. and I better understand your point now and do agree with most if not all of what you said.

With the exception of Donny Mills pretty much all of my favorite pool players to watch are pinoy's so I kind of jumped the gun on this one.
 
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Then what can you say about the 3 or 4 Filipinos that are still in the tournament that are not based in the Philippines? I do not think there are 'stables' in the countries they are based in nor do they get to play the 'champions' regularly.
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About the same as I would say for all the rest of the players who don't live under the same conditions who are still in the event. All the players who showed up can play.

Didn't you say that Vinancio Tanio used to spar with Efren regularly?

Corey Duel credits playing Efren $100 games of one pocket and rotation with improving his game. Corey said he used to try and play Efren that way every chance he got.

I don't obviously know the history of each and every player there.

What do you feel is the reason that the Filipinos can show up with so many strong players to all these events and go deep in the field?

Do they just have more heart? Genetically wired to be better players?

What is it?

In the US Open the majority of players who enter are American. Consequently the majority of the winners have been American, the biggest nationality represented in the last 32 is generally Americans. So when the Filipinos bring 16 players - at least 12 of whom are battled hardened veterans then it's not any surprise that they will go deep. Not to me at least.
 
JB Cases said:
About the same as I would say for all the rest of the players who don't live under the same conditions who are still in the event. All the players who showed up can play.

Didn't you say that Vinancio Tanio used to spar with Efren regularly?

Corey Duel credits playing Efren $100 games of one pocket and rotation with improving his game. Corey said he used to try and play Efren that way every chance he got.

I don't obviously know the history of each and every player there.

What do you feel is the reason that the Filipinos can show up with so many strong players to all these events and go deep in the field?

Do they just have more heart? Genetically wired to be better players?

What is it?

In the US Open the majority of players who enter are American. Consequently the majority of the winners have been American, the biggest nationality represented in the last 32 is generally Americans. So when the Filipinos bring 16 players - at least 12 of whom are battled hardened veterans then it's not any surprise that they will go deep. Not to me at least.
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I think you are 100 percent right John
 
In the Philippines the pool players live, eat and breathe pool. It is their consuming passion in life. For many pinoy pool players, it is an opportunity to achieve fame and fortune, instead of living a life of poverty. I would say that's a pretty strong motivator. You will always see new names and new faces coming from the Philippines. The two best choices for a kid from the streets is either boxing or pool. And a lot of kids would rather not fight.
 
Sweet 16

Pinoys improve their position to almost 50% left in the field...7 out of 16...One word...WOW:eek:
 
houmatroy said:
Pinoys improve their position to almost 50% left in the field...7 out of 16...One word...WOW:eek:
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LOL it's not the Tour de France Troy. It is an individual competition.

Which also always kind of bugs me about the Tour De France - that's supposed to be an individual sport as well yet they race teams and the teams work to push one or two of their top riders to the front by blocking others. So why doesn't the whole team win?
 
http://philboxing.com/news/story-40938.html

In the Philippines the pool players live, eat and breathe pool. It is their consuming passion in life. For many pinoy pool players, it is an opportunity to achieve fame and fortune, instead of living a life of poverty. I would say that's a pretty strong motivator. You will always see new names and new faces coming from the Philippines. The two best choices for a kid from the streets is either boxing or pool. And a lot of kids would rather not fight.
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I saw some of the action at One-Side with Edwin one time. They sure don't spend time barking and trying to get the nuts. I saw young kids line up getting the 7-ball from the house regular .
 
JB Cases said:
LOL it's not the Tour de France Troy. It is an individual competition.

Which also always kind of bugs me about the Tour De France - that's supposed to be an individual sport as well yet they race teams and the teams work to push one or two of their top riders to the front by blocking others. So why doesn't the whole team win?
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Hey ...what can i say...I'm impressed..With a field that's stronger than a acre of garlic these guys get it done time after time !:)
 
houmatroy said:
Hey ...what can i say...I'm impressed..With a field that's stronger than a acre of garlic these guys get it done time after time !:)
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True enough. How about that Johnny Archer? Out of only 6 Americans against the same 128 field including 16 Filipino world beaters and he is in the top 4? And he was down several times in his matches.

Or really the Taiwanese got it done too as they came with 5 people and 2 of them ended up in the top 8 (and had to play each other). And so they now have 1 out of 5 left in the top four.

But really the best story at the moment is Serbia.

One player came to the party from there - Sandor Tot and he ended up in the top 8.

Asia brought 66 people (more than half the field) - they have 3 in the top 4.
North America brought 10 - they have 1 in the top 4.
Europe brought - 35 - they have none in the top 4.

My numbers don't add up :-)

Statistically though North America is leading at this point from a continental member standpoint I think.
 
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