Pool's Most Fabulous Game

This has been the most intelligent and civil conversation I have read on this raucous forum. Keep it coming. I will come from yet another angle later.

We have got the absolute best game in the world but the world has yet to find that out.
 
youth, families

I thought that the high school, youth, and family activity subject is off topic but the more I think about it, it is pertinent. I will share my experience.

First: understand that my place is reputable, well kept, clean, and I am not a lazy room owner. Anyone can feel comfortable. Take a tour…

http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/tour.html

I did a stint with high school tournaments in the 80s and again in the 90s. From 2000 to 2005 I did an all out blitz on the families, high school, college, and youth.

I did many many tournaments, leagues, proms, parties, glow pool, and one community service function called “Team of the Week”. I organized the media, a national pizza franchise, a local bakery, and a soft drink bottler, all to put on a free function for athletes and their families once a week for 5 years. The idea was to expose thousands of people to pool and to my place. It was great for the reputation of my establishment but did nothing for the pool revenue.

I work with Intramural Directors from local high schools to run tournaments.

I do another function once a year (for the last 10 years) for a local prep school. The incoming class of 150 youths gather at my place for pool and pizza on a Sunday in the Spring.

A youth league runs all winter long on Saturday Mornings.

Frankly, I do not know a room owner who has done more to market pool on a local level to this group than me. None of this has turned into any noticeable residual increase in pool revenue. We may have made a pool player or two but certainly not an ample reward for all the effort. Everyone shows up when they are supposed to and I do not see them again until it is their scheduled time. What works for pool rooms is an increase in casual play.

If someone has had a different experience with this market, I would like to know about it, at the chance I have been doing something wrong for 32 years.

I have read throughout this thread that there is nothing wrong with our game and that all its shortcomings are related to stiff competition, difficulty, and lack of promotion (youth events, big prize pro events). In opposition, I have pointed my finger squarely at the game. I am going to come from another angle. If our game was right, all of our efforts to promote would be far more successful. That would mean that all my efforts with the youth and families would generate pool players, pool playing, and revenue. In addition, if our game was right, KT’s efforts would have been rewarded. Pool, in 2010 needs to be a little different and a lot better. For starters, it needs to look inward.
 
Paul Schofield said:
Pool’s Most Fabulous Game

Hands down, pool’s most fabulous game is One-Pocket…but not for the reasons usually attributed to the game. Volumes have been written and much has been said about the virtues and nuances of One-Pocket. I will offer a different perspective venturing away from conventional wisdom.

What makes One-Pocket so fabulous is participation. Both players participate. Near equal participation heightens interaction and makes the competition better. Both players are continuously up out of their chair, addressing the table, and taking their shot(s). No one sits (for very long). Play is back and forth, and back and forth. An example of perfect competition is tennis where players take turns hitting the ball and in addition, each player influences his opponent’s shots. One-Pocket resembles tennis in this way. Fabulous!

Some further thoughts about participation: Pool culture holds the 526 ball run and the 11-pack as examples of perfect pool. I think differently. I think these are pool’s examples of perfect disasters. All other sports have got it figured out. We do not. In baseball, you are going to get your 9 innings and 3 outs per inning. In basketball and football, at the very least, you are going get your chance after your opponent scores. In golf, you will tee-off 18 times and you will get to putt the ball in the hole 18 times. In bowling you will roll the ball 11 times for sure. There is not one rule in Eight, Nine, or Ten-Ball that guarantees a player will actually get his chance to shoot (only to break). Does anyone think that we help our cause by having rules that provide for the chance of grossly lopsided participation? If everyone wonders “What’s wrong with pool?”, this may very well be it. Our favorite games could be fatally flawed.

We need to take a lesson from other sports. People must have regular and predictable opportunities to play during a match just like every other successful sport. Merely alternating breaks does not guarantee a player a chance to shoot. It only guarantees that he breaks. The “No Conflict Rules” guarantees a player will shoot.

http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/noconflict.html

The net result is that the matches are much closer, the stronger player wins more often, and the weaker player gets to shoot more. Most importantly, our popular games are more fun. This is a win-win for everyone and the game.

I will run my third event using the “No Conflict Rules” in August.

There is a lot to disagree with in this post. Do you have something insightful or intelligent to say. Fire it up!
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Great Post,

As to your point about there not being one rule for 8, 9, or 10 ball that guarantees a player to shoot. Well I think about it differently, the game isnt that 1 game of 8, 9, or 10 ball, its the set, its whoever has the mental fortitude to come back or continue on and win it. I hardly ever play someone just one game and if I do and lose it means nothing to me. Now if I play a set and lose that is different, that makes me dig down deep and concentrate, really apply myself. I dont think I have ever concentrated on one thing in my life as I have in pool. To me anyone can win a game against anyone. there are a ton of factors involved in winning a game of pool, the best player is the one who can control the most of them and win the set...... I do believe that alternating break does guarantee a person a chance to shoot, breaking is a skill. And if you have it, that is your chance to win... How else would someone get a 11pack or a 500+ break.... Just my two cents.......
 
I thought that the high school, youth, and family activity subject is off topic but the more I think about it, it is pertinent. I will share my experience.

First: understand that my place is reputable, well kept, clean, and I am not a lazy room owner. Anyone can feel comfortable. Take a tour…

http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/tour.html

I did a stint with high school tournaments in the 80s and again in the 90s. From 2000 to 2005 I did an all out blitz on the families, high school, college, and youth.

I did many many tournaments, leagues, proms, parties, glow pool, and one community service function called “Team of the Week”. I organized the media, a national pizza franchise, a local bakery, and a soft drink bottler, all to put on a free function for athletes and their families once a week for 5 years. The idea was to expose thousands of people to pool and to my place. It was great for the reputation of my establishment but did nothing for the pool revenue.

I work with Intramural Directors from local high schools to run tournaments.

I do another function once a year (for the last 10 years) for a local prep school. The incoming class of 150 youths gather at my place for pool and pizza on a Sunday in the Spring.

A youth league runs all winter long on Saturday Mornings.

Frankly, I do not know a room owner who has done more to market pool on a local level to this group than me. None of this has turned into any noticeable residual increase in pool revenue. We may have made a pool player or two but certainly not an ample reward for all the effort. Everyone shows up when they are supposed to and I do not see them again until it is their scheduled time. What works for pool rooms is increased frequent casual play, not the once a week play.

If someone has had a different experience with this market, I would like to know about it, at the chance I have been doing something wrong for 32 years.

I have read throughout this thread that there is nothing wrong with our game and that all its shortcomings are related to stiff competition, difficulty, and lack of promotion (youth events, big prize pro events). In opposition, I have pointed my finger squarely at the game. I am going to come from another angle. If our game was right, all of our efforts to promote would be far more successful. That would mean that all my efforts with the youth and families would generate pool players, pool playing, and revenue. In addition, if our game was right, KT’s efforts would have been rewarded. Pool, in 2010 needs to be a little different and a lot better. For starters, it needs to look inward.
 
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Paul, my compliments on your pool room. If I ever get to Erie (I'm outside of Philly), I'll make it a point to stop in.
 
Paul Schofield said:
... In opposition, I have pointed my finger squarely at the game..... If our game was right, all of our efforts to promote would be far more successful.
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I certainly can understand your point and I personally appreciate your passion, however, what you are claiming is not something we can know for sure, without having done a lot of very specific research.

I loathe using golf as an example, but, using golf as an example, they've never changed it to suit television, or to keep people interested. And believe me, its' still practically the most boring spectator sport on the planet. Golf is just marketed very very well, and the footage is condensed down to just the interesting shots.

And with the payouts being as high as they are, what mother or father wouldn't love for their kid to be a golf champion? What golf loving kid wouldn't dream of that kind of fame?

But in the current state of things, would you tell your child that they have a good future as a pool or billiard pro? They could be the best in the world, but as I menioned before, they certainly won't get paid anything near what other pros get paid, and we'd rarely see them on TV, if at all.

I believe that if pool and billiards as a sport or a specific game, were produced and marketed the exact same way as golf, pool and billiards would be just as, or more popular than golf, and would also have a (larger) steady stream of new players. All it takes is good positive PR.

Think about it, if something as simple as a movie (The Hustler, Color of Money) can make people wanna go out and play in droves (which they did) just think what a well produced, well paid world championship series could do...
 
Bank2Win said:
ONE POCKET = CHESS
No more anagolies needed!!
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One pocket is more like checkers, Eight ball is like chess.

I think players don't like Eight because it is harder than it looks when played at the high levels. Someone blocks a pocket with their ball, that takes one pocket away from you to use, unless you know how to move the ball out of the way. Because you have to hit your ball first, this mean you have to use your ball or the cue ball or some other ball to move it. Its an art to unblock a pocket and either make your ball, or block the pocket with your ball.

Unlike one pocket where the you can just hit the ball out of the pocket. Some challenge.

Nine ball, I head someone say they like it becasue they don't need to think about what to shoot next. Another local top player that plays mostly 9 ball, said that 8 ball was way harder because of the cluster and traffic of balls on the table. There are breaks and run outs in 8 ball, but no where near as many in 9 ball. In 8 ball, you just can't smack the CB without knowing exactly where it's going cause there are more balls on the table than in 9. You can have more room for error in your position in 9 ball and 1 pocket than 8 or 14.1

As a fan, I could care less if both players get to play. I'm watching to see good pool shooting and I don't care by who. As a player, one of the goals is to keep them in their chair, keep'em cold. As a player, I know thats what my opponent wants also. As fan, knowing the purpose of keeping someone in their chair, I love watching a cold player come in and take control of the table. Brings a smile to my face cause I understand what it means coming to the table cold. One of the challenges of 14.1 Yep, coming cold to the table is a skill that can be learned and needs to be.

I will say that to play 1 pocket really well, you got to know banks. Thats the best part of watching 1 pocket, the banks that are played. I try to incorpate those banks into my 8, 14.1 games.

Not a big fan of the alternate break or loser breaks. I believe the winner should always break. Gives the loser more incentive to play well. Seems there is this need to "dumb" down pool (handicapps) to give lesser players or players that aren't willing to put in the time, a feeling they can win. It bugs the shit out of me when I see someone wins a match where the race was like 5-3, they being the 3, and thinking they are hot shit oh and its only one set and not multible sets. Same with the bar players.

FWIW
 
Mr. Bond said:
I certainly can understand your point and I personally appreciate your passion, however, what you are claiming is not something we can know for sure, without having done a lot of very specific research.

I loathe using golf as an example, but, using golf as an example, they've never changed it to suit television, or to keep people interested. And believe me, its' still practically the most boring spectator sport on the planet. Golf is just marketed very very well, and the footage is condensed down to just the interesting shots.

And with the payouts being as high as they are, what mother or father wouldn't love for their kid to be a golf champion? What golf loving kid wouldn't dream of that kind of fame?

But in the current state of things, would you tell your child that they have a good future as a pool or billiard pro? They could be the best in the world, but as I menioned before, they certainly won't get paid anything near what other pros get paid, and we'd rarely see them on TV, if at all.

I believe that if pool and billiards as a sport or a specific game, were produced and marketed the exact same way as golf, pool and billiards would be just as, or more popular than golf, and would also have a (larger) steady stream of new players. All it takes is good positive PR.

Think about it, if something as simple as a movie (The Hustler, Color of Money) can make people wanna go out and play in droves (which they did) just think what a well produced, well paid world championship series could do...
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I actually think that those two movies are not good for the proper imagine of pool.

They focus way to much on the gambling aspect of pool. Out of those two movies there is only one scene that really shows what it is to play pool well. Its the picnic scene when Eddy has his hands in casts.

I think what is missed in the Huslter is that Eddy didn't care about the money but it was all about being the best, playing the best, just doing something well, not the money.

Color of Money was all about the money, to a point. When Eddy got huslted, the old desire from the Huslter came out, wasn't about the money, was about winning. Not sure if anyone noitced this or was more focused on the money, the huslte or what.

I say these things cause I overheard a conversation recently between a regular player and the room owner. It was all about action, gambling, who lost big, who win big, how to get the weight you want and so on. The tricks used to hustle people and so on.

Nothing about the beauty of the sport. The art of running balls, breaking out clusters, opening up a rack like in 14.1. But then again, they were talking about 9 ball.

Seem to me, there's a belief that if a player doesn't gamble, then they are not pool players. Thing is, thinking this way, you may miss playing some of the best players around, me being one of them. I have yet to understand why money is such a motivating factor in playing someone unless it is because people see these two movies and believe thats the way pool is.

Pool is fortunate in having several version of the game. I think thats a plus not a weakness. By having a variety of games, one can find the game that suits them best.

The best thing would be a film about a young, up and coming player. Something that shows how hard the training is, positive support from family memebers, what it's really like to play in a real tourney, behind the scenes during tourneys and so on. Something that protrays pool in a positive way, that show the good values one learns from playing pool.

FWIW
 
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Mr. Bond said:
what you are claiming is not something we can know for sure, without having done a lot of very specific research.
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How right you are! At the same time, I would not advocate the "No Conflict Rules" without the SPECIFIC RESEARCH. More than a quarter million racks have been played at my room under these rules. In addition, we have used the rules for two regional tournaments and have another one scheduled for August 14.

http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/noconflict.html

By no means is this an end all. It could be the first step to some unknown territory that no one has even thought of yet.

Bottom line, here is what the research has shown: The rules are easy to institute and follow. The rules eradicate the racking and breaking nonsense. The rules guarantee both players get to shoot. Given some time, a vast majority of players prefer them. The better the player, the better they like them. This is a very posative direction to send our favorate games.

(I am quite sure that even duckie would like them.)



A growing list of recognizable potential supporters and advocates for a rules change:

Bob Jewett: “I think Paul's rules above solve the problems.”

Danny DiLiberto: “I will talk about these rules every chance I get when I commentate.”

Fred Bentivegna: “I personally think he has a great new idea.”

Joe Tucker: “I believe this rule will cost me MONEY! But I still think it should be implemented”

John Schmidt: “this is exactly how the games should be played”

Pat Fleming: “I think Paul’s new rules are in the game’s best interest.”

Robert Byrne: “You can use my name as a strong advocate for a rules change for the break.”

Scott Lee: “I like your no-conflict rules”
 
Paul, thinking more about it, we have seen posts on AZB about what they believed was the unfairness of winner-break rules and the resultant long runs that keep a player seated for long periods of time. It doesn't seem to be a huge issue, but some players have strong feelings about it. For those who want a more back-and-forth style of play, it would be nice to have some tournaments with rules like yours. So I say go for it.

I prefer the long-run style of play. Many players agree with me, so I don't think selling your game as the favored game or the soul of pool is the best way to go. I'd suggest offering it as an alternative. Just as we see with nine-ball and ten-ball in tournaments and eight-ball in bars, your rules will take root in venues that prefer that style of play.
 
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i don't think one pocket is the savior for pool. money is the savior for pool. if the game had money behind it to add more players, more interest and more intirgue, it would have more viewers. i don't care what game people are playing no one is going to watch an internet stream of two guys playing for a first prize of 1500 bucks sponsored by companies the general public has never heard of. now a large tournament sponsored by budwiser and harley davidson that had a build up of say a few months of smaller tournaments leading up to it, where players were playing for real money along they way and now they are playing for a huge sum of money and along the way during the broadcasts there have been player profiles and now it's the finals and player a and player b have a history and don't like each other very much (think schmidt and hardiman - i think i got that name right but not sure). that's drama. that's how you suck people into viewership and that's how it grows, with viewship comes sponsorhip and money and more drama and more players and more viewers. if you had all of those things they could be playing any game. and i have to say this, we play pool so we enjoy games like one pocket that have strategy and take different skills. the general public could care less. they want offense, they want fire works. they want loud break shots and jump shots and three rail kicks and banks. the general public won't get the nuance of a chess like move where you take a one ball penalty just to stick your opponent to the stack and leave him nothing but a shot to move a few balls to your side of the table. we love that stuff but a general spectator will call it boring. this is why the nfl continues to cahnge rules to make the game more scoring friendly, the defnese is limited more and more every year - can't hardly touch a quterback anymore. it's also the reason soccer suffers here. not a whole bunch going on, hence the *****ing and moaning about spain's style of play in the world cup. germany scored more goals in a few games than spain scored in the entire tournament and american sports reporters took note and reported it as a story. i also feel that espn did a huge dis service to our game where they tried to portray everyone as the best of friends and all the women on the womens tour are just so friendly and life is beautiful and every thing is wonderful. that doesn't sell either. what sells is chad ochocinco is a huge ego maniac and has talked garbage all week about pitsburgh's defense and they now want to kill him and eat his children.......tune in, cbs next! i am in no way condoning all of the things i am writing about i am just saying it's what's needed to sell the game. you would garner more viewers over a dippy d vs. scott frost blood match or john scmidt vs. danny eaten by a goat shit off a cliff death match than you could having the two best one pocket / 9ball / 10 ball / straight pool / any other game players who are playing each other. scandal isn't helping us either. players dumping matches makes my skin crawl. until we get rid of that we are lower than pro wrestling - at least they now sell that as "entertainment" and not sport. that snooker player in england i read about a few weeks ago taking bribes to dump is just another nail in our coffin. again i love playing all pool games, i just think that the problems we have selling our game to the public are larger than changing the game we show. just my two cents for what they are worth.
 
Paul Schofield said:
How right you are! At the same time, I would not advocate the "No Conflict Rules" without the SPECIFIC RESEARCH. More than a quarter million racks have been played at my room under these rules. In addition, we have used the rules for two regional tournaments and have another one scheduled for August 14.

http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/noconflict.html

By no means is this an end all. It could be the first step to some unknown territory that no one has even thought of yet.

Bottom line, here is what the research has shown: The rules are easy to institute and follow. The rules eradicate the racking and breaking nonsense. The rules guarantee both players get to shoot. Given some time, a vast majority of players prefer them. The better the player, the better they like them. This is a very posative direction to send our favorate games.

(I am quite sure that even duckie would like them.)



A growing list of recognizable potential supporters and advocates for a rules change:

Bob Jewett: “I think Paul's rules above solve the problems.”

Danny DiLiberto: “I will talk about these rules every chance I get when I commentate.”

Fred Bentivegna: “I personally think he has a great new idea.”

Joe Tucker: “I believe this rule will cost me MONEY! But I still think it should be implemented”

John Schmidt: “this is exactly how the games should be played”

Pat Fleming: “I think Paul’s new rules are in the game’s best interest.”

Robert Byrne: “You can use my name as a strong advocate for a rules change for the break.”

Scott Lee: “I like your no-conflict rules”
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I love the word research.......so, in your research, how many naws sayers were there or does only being a "recognizable potential supporters" count in your research. How long was this research done and what other sources other than AZB was used to get the data for your research? Guess us no names opinion don't matter.

Was there a nation wide survey done of all the current players done? Lets see the all the data and not just what you want to present.

In 14.1 there are no breaking conflicts, and very little in 8 ball or 1 pocket. So lets just say it. When people say the break is the issue, they are talking 9 ball. Maybe they are playing the wrong game.

So, the great names on the list think the break and the other player getting a turn at the table is an issue in all games or just certain games? I mean 14.1there is normally only one break. Is there gonna be a certain high run limit in 14.1 that a person has to stop at in order to let the other player at the table?

How but in 8 ball, when someone runs down to their last ball and their opponent has , say 5 or balls on the table, they have to give up the table in order for the other player to have a chance.

How bout in 9 ball, if your down to the 9, you have to make the 9 with your eyes shut?

The conflict in pool does not come from the game or the rules but from the people playing. As long as there are human beings playing pool, there will ALWAYS be conflicts. What is needed is better tournement management. I real standard on how to run matches.

Anyway, FWIW
 
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Actually I don't think there is anything "wrong" with playing any pool game any way you want to. You want to play only "conventionally" then by all means do so. If you would like to try something "new"? Thats cool too. Just tell me the rules and I'll give it a shot. Just remember you never know till you try.
 
LC3 said:
Paul, my compliments on your pool room. If I ever get to Erie (I'm outside of Philly), I'll make it a point to stop in.
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Don't know if Paul remembers but I stopped by about 5 years ago. I'm the truck driver that you showed the Balabushka shipping case to. And the room is REALLY COOL! Sorry i never got to go back. Don
 
LC3 said:
Paul, thinking more about it, we have seen posts on AZB about the unfairness of winner-break rules and the resultant long runs that keep a player seated for long periods of time. It doesn't seem to be a huge issue, but some players have strong feelings about it. For those who want a more back-and-forth style of play, it would be nice to have tournaments with rules like yours. So I say go for it.

I prefer the long-run style of play. Many players agree with me, so I don't think selling your game as the favored game or the soul of pool is the best way to go. I'd suggest offering it as an alternative. Just as we see with nine-ball and ten-ball in tournaments and eight-ball in bars, your rules will take root in venues that prefer that style of play.
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I do know better and you are right. Saying that pool has no soul is disparaging and does not change minds.

The purpose of this thread is to get the idea out there and have people talk about it and inspire people to think. Your idea of promoting this as another option is precisely the plan: run my own events with it and there becomes the possibility that another ambitious and progressive tournament promoter will give it a try.

I do realize the hard facts. Our present exhisting pool playing community is what it is because pool is what it is. If pool was a little different, so also the pool playing community would be a little different. It would be like taking someones girlfriend away from them and giving them a new girlfriend that they did not chose and telling them that the new girl is better. That doesn't work.

Talking about it here on the Internet does not get the job done. What sells the "No Conflict Rules" is playing them. Once players have spent some hours with it, it is case closed. All the talk becomes moot and it is player preference that carries the day.

So untill then, I will just keep talking and writing, trying to get people to play them. I am all about making NEW life long enthusists of our game.

If anyone reading this thread has strong opinions one way or the other, fire it up!
 
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I am just going to throw my $.02 out there.

Someone earlier compared pool to poker. And for what it's worth I think this is about as close an analogy as we're going to get really. There are MANY different forms of poker, as there are many different forms of pool. Each is appreciated by groups of people. The difference here is that poker took an event, the WSOP in this case, and made it HIGHTLY publicized and told the world "anyone can win". Along with that, came a prize fund of a little over 10 million. . .and that was just for 1st place.

Now I understand that can't happen in pool, you can't make a tournament where "anyone can win". Not discounting poker takes an amount of skill to play, as I do play some poker myself. However, the price fund is the big draw, and the publicity is where are are truly lacking in the pool market.

I guess my big thing, if you look at other individual sports, particularly golf because it is the largest publicized individual sport there is, a player does not HAVE to win just to feed his family. If a player spends a year on the PGA tour and has just a few top-10 finishes, even without a win, they are going to make 6 figures easily. There has to be a reason for the best in the world to want to compete, and it really comes down to prize fund at that point. When you talk about world-class competition, as we are talking in pool, then there would be more consistant participants if it was worth their time. And with that I believe would come the popularity we seek in the pool community.

I will say that this is not limited to pool. Bowling for example has very similar issues, though the PBA does well for itself, it is not even on the same PLANET as golf when it comes to individual payouts. In order for someone to enter the "million club" in bowling, you have to win on the PBA, and you have to do it a LOT.

I guess for me it's just frustrating to see the best at any one sport get so much more than the best from another based simply around sponsorship and lack of TV time.

Sorry for all the rambling and I hope I made some sense at least.
 
One pocket is a great game and my favorite pocket billiards game, but...

DIPPY is the savior! :thumbup::D:smile::yikes::o

Well at least, he's entertaining (whether he is lying or not) - sorry all, I couldn't resist.

Dave
 
duckie said:
One pocket is more like checkers, Eight ball is like chess...
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You can't be serious. Eight ball is pure offense at the highest levels. I can't see how that's like chess.

I would say one pocket is like chess, except you have to have enough skill to move the pieces.
 
Mr. Bond said:
.Furthermore, at a professional level, the industry needs one definatively "major" league or association to step up and run the show.
And that, my friend, is all about marketing, not the games themselves.

The games speak for themselves, no need to change much there. Its all about the promotion, the people and the prizes. Same as it ever was, which is pretty simple really: Put a big enough prize or title out there, and suddenly scores of champions will emerge from all corners of the earth.
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I am with you. I think it is possible but not yet. IMO There is a lot of unfinished business in pool. Pool has yet to define itself. I think I could fill a page with all the items that need settled before a successful pro tour is possible.

Because this thread focuses on one item of unsettled business, that is the one I will talk about. I have a DVD of two of the top players in the world playing Ten-Ball in a major event here in the states in 2008. Players were racking their own. The racking and breaking process was just outrageous. Before one break, one player pushed the balls up to be racked 19 times. This was all about freezing the front balls as to increase the chance of a ball from the second row going in the side. At the same time he was making sure that the 10-ball was not froze as to promote it toward a corner pocket. A television audience is not going to stand for this tedious nonsense. With every new gadget and every new rule comes a fresh round of arguments and failure followed with another gadget and another rule.

I know this is boring and redundant but here it goes again: I have never had even one argument under the "No Conflict Rules". In addition, I have never had a match slowed by the "No Conflict Rules"

http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/noconflict.html

This is only one area that needs to be addressed for pro pool to work. Pool has got a lot to get worked out before it can step up to the "Big Leagues". I think it could happen.
 
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