why the facination with fast cloth?
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I've been practicing at one of the places that has slow cloth plus it is couple years old. On that table, to get a really good draw distance, took a really good stroke.
After a few days there, I went to the place that has a table with new fast cloth on it. Both places, I use the same type of balls and cue ball, the measle cue ball.
On the fast cloth table, I was over drawing the cue ball by a wide margin. I realized I was using the stroke I was using on the slow cloth, so I just adjusted my stroke to the fast table. It only took a few shots to a see this and making the proper adjustment.
The draw I was getting on the fast table was more than I ever had gotta on that table before. Seems improving my draw on the slow table really helped me improve my draw on the fast table. This adds to my muscle memory data bank.
The importance of this is to illustrate the importance on playing on different tables. In my area, there are quite a few local tourneys/leagues at different rooms and the tables/balls all play different.
I guess my real facination is being able to determine accurately the speed of the current table and set of balls being used.
Anyway, FWIW.
After a few days there, I went to the place that has a table with new fast cloth on it. Both places, I use the same type of balls and cue ball, the measle cue ball.
On the fast cloth table, I was over drawing the cue ball by a wide margin. I realized I was using the stroke I was using on the slow cloth, so I just adjusted my stroke to the fast table. It only took a few shots to a see this and making the proper adjustment.
The draw I was getting on the fast table was more than I ever had gotta on that table before. Seems improving my draw on the slow table really helped me improve my draw on the fast table. This adds to my muscle memory data bank.
The importance of this is to illustrate the importance on playing on different tables. In my area, there are quite a few local tourneys/leagues at different rooms and the tables/balls all play different.
I guess my real facination is being able to determine accurately the speed of the current table and set of balls being used.
Anyway, FWIW.
funny u should say that. my mechanic said the same thing about simonis. he wont install it. Says its cheap rail cloth, thats all hype and promotion.
I guess to each theyre own. Im thinking of going with gorina, next time anyways.
So did clay ballsyou going to order a set today
u may be on to something lol. Maybe ill just start playing with a mudball on my 9 footer
I think Slow Cloth does indeed help you develop a firmer, more accurate stroke, but Fast Cloth helps you tremendously with your cue ball control. Practice on both if you can.
Incidentally, I think some of the people with the biggest strokes are 3C players and they play on a super fast table!
Incidentally, I think some of the people with the biggest strokes are 3C players and they play on a super fast table!
Your mechanic don't know what he's talking about...because he don't know how to install Simonis cloth...because it's to hard for him
Gorina is not any easier to install than Simonis is
I do
Getting ready for a bar table event I'll borrow an extra bar table cue ball from behind the counter to play on the nine footer. I still have to spend a little time on the bar table too but I get used to the interaction of the bar table cue ball and the other balls playing on the nine footer.
I think the consensus is pretty clear in this thread. To please yourself play on whatever you want to. If you are going to compete on fast cloth it makes sense to do most or all of your practicing on fast cloth. Having said that, if I ever get my five by ten I'm going to cut up a couple of the old military pure wool blankets to go on it!
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u may be on to something lol. Maybe ill just start playing with a mudball on my 9 footer
Getting ready for a bar table event I'll borrow an extra bar table cue ball from behind the counter to play on the nine footer. I still have to spend a little time on the bar table too but I get used to the interaction of the bar table cue ball and the other balls playing on the nine footer.
I think the consensus is pretty clear in this thread. To please yourself play on whatever you want to. If you are going to compete on fast cloth it makes sense to do most or all of your practicing on fast cloth. Having said that, if I ever get my five by ten I'm going to cut up a couple of the old military pure wool blankets to go on it!
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Your mechanic don't know what he's talking about...because he don't know how to install Simonis cloth...because it's to hard for him
He can install either one but he just doesnt like simonis. He says its cheap unbacked rail cloth thats just overpromoted. I was gonna go with something else anyways this time, so it aint gonna matter.
and personally I think if adjusting is the key then yeah put super slow cloth on ur home table and alternate practice between there and the poolhalls with fast cloth. that way ur ready for anything.
I'm not saying short game isn't important. I agree with your statistics, but I think newcomers are unintentionally led astray. Every book I read focused on the importance of the short game. I drive 18 times (counting PAR 3's) a round (more if it's a penalty from the tee). My putt numbers vary depend on how good I swing.
As a person new (about 2 years playing time) to golf. I think a great short game only makes a difference for a player with a good long game. What good is "one putting" for bogey or worse when it takes 4-5 swings (PAR 4) to reach the green.
When I started I practiced chipping and putting because of the saying "short game makes the difference" now I mainly focus on the swing and I finally broke 90 (88 following all the rules).
My uneducated opinion is the game starts with the ball has to be in play (hopefully long) then fairway woods or irons and chipping and putting come last. Do you remember one-putting or "smoking" a driver after a round?
If I started over I would have focused on a decent swing and cared less about chipping and putting.
I guess what I was trying to say in my post was watching the best pool pros (I'm not a pro) struggling or running out because of crazy or easy table conditions isn't entertaining. There must be a middle ground that identifies the best player without playing on "tricked up" tables.
I am switching from Championship Tour Edition 3030 felt and Championship Tour Pro cushions to Simionis 760 felt and Artemis cushions within the next few days, since every time i leave my house I end up playing on a table that is faster than my home table. I have a very powerful stroke (IMO of course), but all that does is get my opponent dizzy watching my cue ball go 4 rails after every shot I think it's come in handy much more infrequently than having super touch, which is what I'm looking for.
I would think that you could still develop a powerful stroke on a fast table by practicing certain drills. If you're not sure what drills, I'm sure we can hook you up
If you have room for two tables then get the slow cloth for the "B" table.
(oops, I just saw that I'm posting on an old thread, DOH)
I think it's come in handy much more infrequently than having super touch, which is what I'm looking for.I would think that you could still develop a powerful stroke on a fast table by practicing certain drills. If you're not sure what drills, I'm sure we can hook you up
If you have room for two tables then get the slow cloth for the "B" table.
(oops, I just saw that I'm posting on an old thread, DOH)
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If you're more skillful, you do better on faster cloth, tighter pockets, and playing 9-ball instead of 8-ball (or straight pool instead of 9-ball) with a weaker opponent.
Or the flipside, bigger pockets, slower cloth (bar table), smaller table size (bar table), game with more luck are equalizers against a stronger opponent.
Or the flipside, bigger pockets, slower cloth (bar table), smaller table size (bar table), game with more luck are equalizers against a stronger opponent.
I don't see how slow cloth will help you develop anything but bad habits.. You can still fire in balls on fast cloth. Won't this give you the stroke that you're looking for with the slow cloth??? In my opinion, you can do a lot more to develop your game on fast cloth. You can work on finesse, while still being able to let your stroke out if you feel the desire. There is nothing stopping you from hitting every shot at break speed, though when working on finesse, you are limited to the capabilities of the cloth.