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weegee3

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Posted this on Cuemaker site and was referred to this section. Hope you can help.

Our Lodge has a 9' table that was recovered by a guy who subsequently disappeared and we have a problem. Two of the rails have gone dead on one corner and we want to pull the rails off and determine why this has happened. The rails were fine until the cloth was changed and I'm thinking the two rails (one is a short rail and the other is the connecting long rail) are not simply not tightened down properly. Perhaps some excess cloth is causing this or the pocket itself has jammed the rails from seating properly. Anyway, we plan on loosening the screws and taking a look. Any thoughts on what we may want to look for?
Thanks
Weegee
 
weegee3 said:
Posted this on Cuemaker site and was referred to this section. Hope you can help.

Our Lodge has a 9' table that was recovered by a guy who subsequently disappeared and we have a problem. Two of the rails have gone dead on one corner and we want to pull the rails off and determine why this has happened. The rails were fine until the cloth was changed and I'm thinking the two rails (one is a short rail and the other is the connecting long rail) are not simply not tightened down properly. Perhaps some excess cloth is causing this or the pocket itself has jammed the rails from seating properly. Anyway, we plan on loosening the screws and taking a look. Any thoughts on what we may want to look for?
Thanks
Weegee
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With the 10,000's of thousands of pool tables out there...it helps if you can narrow it down to maybe a few hundred...so we might have an idea as to the table you're talking about;)
 
I am not a mechanic, but the first thing I would look for are loose bolts.
 
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Hey majic
Thanks for the courteous reply unlike Realqueencobra who has a propensity to talk down to people. One might think he received a Doctorate from MIT in stapling. What is this guy's problem.
 
weegee3 said:
Hey majic
Thanks for the courteous reply unlike Realqueencobra who has a propensity to talk down to people. One might think he received a Doctorate from MIT in stapling. What is this guy's problem.
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My PROBLEM?...is I get tired of people like you...coming in here asking guessing game questions about a pool table that it seems even YOU know nothing about...or you'd have included it in your first post...but you didn't...so therefore lets start the games....of....my table don't play right...tell me how come;)

THEN...have the nerve to mouth off...like you just did...like YOU know something about me or something...which you don't.

Here's some advice...get your FACTS straight about your table...then ask the questions...OK!

Glen
 
Hehe, I love Glen :)

Yeah, he's a crotchety dude, but he deals with a lot of people and dealing with people is never easy! Put up with him being testy and you will realize he's incredibly helpful and absolutely oozing knowledge about tons of aspects of the mechanics of pool tables. Not only that, but he's willing to share that knowledge and help out complete strangers if you accept the fact that he comes across grumpy.

Instead of raising your hackles, which is the natural reaction to Glen's abrupt nature, understand you will get one of the best, most complete replies from him if you give him the information he needs to help you.

The real artists in life are all eccentric and opinionated ... yet that doesn't take away from their abilities.
 
Majic said:
I think his shorts are way too tight :eek:
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Unlike your rail bolts? ;) Had to throw it in there. That was his way of asking if you know what brand/model/age table you have so he can identify which style rail bolts etc you have so he can maybe point out what to look for, or another common problem that model might have.

It's kind of like calling your car mechanic and saying I have a car that's just not quite running right. Can you tell me what's wrong? ;) If you give the old, gumpy ass more details, he will be much more helpful. LOL Feed him info, he feeds you back.
 
Club Billiards said:
Unlike your rail bolts? ;) Had to throw it in there. That was his way of asking if you know what brand/model/age table you have so he can identify which style rail bolts etc you have so he can maybe point out what to look for, or another common problem that model might have.

It's kind of like calling your car mechanic and saying I have a car that's just not quite running right. Can you tell me what's wrong? ;) If you give the old, gumpy ass more details, he will be much more helpful. LOL Feed him info, he feeds you back.
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What does he feed ya?
 
weegee3 said:
Hey majic
Thanks for the courteous reply unlike Realqueencobra who has a propensity to talk down to people. One might think he received a Doctorate from MIT in stapling. What is this guy's problem.
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Welcome to the Diva Den.
 
Fair Enough. I stand corrected and offer an apology to the Glenster, now that I recognize that he is grumpy but talented. I am off to the Lodge with camera and pen in hand to document the table specifics and get pictures of the setup. I will attempt to get as much detail as I can but don't yell at me if I miss sumthing. Geez.
Herb aka Weegee
 
Whew! I'm back with details (I hope)
The table was manufactured by A.E. Marrier in Plymouth MA, a small but established MFG of tables. I have attached photos (I know, they ain't good but will have to do.
As sated before, at the top corner of the table as shown the rails are dead or deader than the rest of the table. The rails are of equal height with the rest of the rails, approx. 1.5". The balls are 2.25". This compares with my Gold Crown at home. Don't know what else to say an addition to what was said previously. I will try to tighten the rails first, but if not a solution will pull the rails off these two corners and look to see if something may be causing them not to seat properly. Beyond that, I'm lost. Except to find a local Glenster todo his thing. I suppose I can call Marrier and see if he will come out but he generally does not make house (repair ) calls.
 

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The bolts under the covers are the ones you want to make sure are tight. The other bolts thread up into the pockets. Make sure the rail bolts are tight then compare how the cushion feels to the rest of the table. Is is harder,softer? Check for looseness of the cushion itself.

This should be a very easy problem to identify. SOMETHING is different then rest of the rubber or rails.
 
weegee3 said:
Whew! I'm back with details (I hope)
The table was manufactured by A.E. Marrier in Plymouth MA, a small but established MFG of tables. I have attached photos (I know, they ain't good but will have to do.
As sated before, at the top corner of the table as shown the rails are dead or deader than the rest of the table. The rails are of equal height with the rest of the rails, approx. 1.5". The balls are 2.25". This compares with my Gold Crown at home. Don't know what else to say an addition to what was said previously. I will try to tighten the rails first, but if not a solution will pull the rails off these two corners and look to see if something may be causing them not to seat properly. Beyond that, I'm lost. Except to find a local Glenster todo his thing. I suppose I can call Marrier and see if he will come out but he generally does not make house (repair ) calls.
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Ok, now I see what kind of table we're talking about here;) it's a T-railed system for bolting the rails to the slates...got it. Apart from the rail bolts being loose, check to see if you can slide a piece of paper under the rails at this spot, then check the same thing around the rest of the rails. These type of rails not only have to be bolted down tight "20ft lbs" but the rails must also be flat to the top of the slate...or you'll tighten them up alright...but the nose will be just a little high which will cause the rails to loose their bounce, the correct nose height should be no higher than 1 7/16", yet no lower than 1 3/8"...higher and they play dead, lower and they'll play like a pinball machine playing basketball;)
 
Glen
Following your lead we first tested the tightness of a good rail and then checked the dead area. Found the tightness to be similar. Then we checked with paper under the rails and found those to be similar Then we loosened the bolts on the top and side rails and reseated them. No improvement.
We would now like to pull the rails off and see if there is some obstruction (excess cloth or other object that is keeping the rails from from seating properly.
We are assuming that to pull the rails off completely, we need to remove the bolt that goes up to the pocket along with the slate bolts. Is that all that is required to remove the rails? Any other thoughts?
Or do we find a local Glenster to fix it while we watch him and guzzle beers?
Thanks for the help.
Herb aka Weegee
 
Herb..check to see that the rail bolts are all the same lenght as well, to long of a bolt won't bolt tight;)
 
While you have the bolts out, in addition to checking the length of the bolts, I would suggest that you take an small air compressor and make sure that the holes are clear of any foreign material or chips.
 
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