Has anyone else seen the new series of articals on CTE by Roger Long?

perfect systems only work perfectly on a computer

Basically the same statement as above is what started the long running vendetta John Barton has against me but the simple truth is that without making adjustments and corrections for current conditions we are whistling in the wind with any method or system.

There is another issue too, accumulated error. We humans aren't perfect. That means that if we do something that requires one step we will have a certain amount of error in that step almost every time. The degree of error will vary but only by the blindest fluke will we be perfect. Let's call this error E1 for reference. Each step adds the almost certainty of another error, large or small. With a five step process we are looking at E1, E2, E3, E4, and E5. What this means is that we have five areas for inaccuracy to sneak into our process. Sometimes these errors add to each other, sometimes they multiply the effects of other errors, sometimes they even subtract from other errors and are beneficial compensating errors. However the more steps we have for imperfect humans to perform to reach a goal, the more variance creeps into the process.

The simplest process with the fewest number of steps that achieves our goal is best. If CTE meets that description for some people it is indeed best for them. If getting down on a shot, eyeballing it, and firing it in the hole with one step aiming works for someone else it is best for them. Pool is as much art as science. Were it pure science there would be no reason to compete as we all would be equal.

Hu
 
I did see that there was a new article! Immediately afterwords I called my internet provider to get it shut off, quit my job, closed all my bank accounts, packed up a few meager belongings, sold my car, left my wife and am currently hitching across the boarder... where this thread/topic can never find me! I have thought about plucking out my eyes, searing my ear drums, and cutting off my bridge thumb, but I am saving those as a last resort. Hopefully where I end up there will be no billiards games, no place where an aiming system that is totally devoid of pockets can find me. Wish me luck...
 
John Barton has no long running vendetta against you.

The issues John Barton has with your behavior have nothing whatsoever to do with CTE.

You could have made your point equally as well without mentioning John Barton.

Sincerely,

John Barton

I happen to like John Barton
even though I cant afford one of his great cases :thumbup:
 
As far as I know...

Spatial perception: being able to judge the depth and distance of an object. Humans are very adept at this because of our stereoscopic vision. With only one eye, you would not be able to do this well, but having the second with an overlapping field of view allows us to do this. Kind of reminds me of how owls can hunt in the winter, b/c of there offset ears (one is higher than the other) which allows them to gauge distance of prey beneath snow (thanks Discovery Channel!).

Vision is a remarkable thing! Did you know that the center of your field of view is where the majority of your cones (based on shape...carry info about 1 of 3 primary colors) is in the center of your eye (macula I think?)... and the rods are in the outer zone (named on shape, and carry rhodopsin...info about shades of purple I think...best for dusk/dawn conditions). Anyways, the outer regions/edges of sight don't carry info about color, this is filled in by your brain! Oooooh ahhhhh....
If any of this is wrong, don't blame me (well, do I guess) but I am regurging stuff from a bio-psych class from 3-4 years ago :)
 
I happen to like John Barton
even though I cant afford one of his great cases :thumbup:

I also happen to like John Barton, as much one can from reading on a forum and never meeting the person. Pretty much any posts he makes outside of CTE threads are interesting, given his long history in the game and in the industry, not to mention being in China!

That's why it saddens me to see him get sucked into the vortex of these arguments.

{And I can't afford one of his fine cases either. Not yet anyway! ;) }
 
In section 2, Roger will be doing the equivalent of a filibuster, not so much explaining the system but the whys and wherefores of the consternation that surrounds CTE. AT least that's how I read the article.

You go, Roger! Thanks for the head-up Manwon. When Roger publishes the next article hopefully it will be noted in this thread since I am now subscribed. I would hate to miss all of that next article and the ones to follow.
 
a few thoughts

Lots of contrast! I view contrast as a positive thing. It's through contrast that we grow. I do not think I would be in position to explain the exact nature of CTE if it weren't for the fact I have been somewhat driven as a result of differences. I have wanted an answer as much as anyone.

I spent a ton of hours unravelling CTE as it truly exist, like the sytem or not.

I will present this on DVD as I see it, negatives and positives.

The end result for me is PRO ONE.

Hopefully the material will be presented in such a way that a student that has desire and proper motivation can connect with the system. CTE/PRO ONE is truly an incredible system. It's actually a gift.

Those that want the gift will have to work for it as WORDS and demonstrations do not actually teach. The serious student will have to ultimately experience CTE and PRO ONE on their own. Knowledge comes from experience.

Experience is the true teacher!!

The DVD will be foudational for those that really want to learn CTE and PRO ONE.

And lastly, it absolutely helps to have an accurate perception and a reasonably straight stroke.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Lots of contrast! I view contrast as a positive thing. It's through contrast that we grow. I do not think I would be in position to explain the exact nature of CTE if it weren't for the fact I have been somewhat driven as a result of differences. I have wanted an answer as much as anyone.

I spent a ton of hours unravelling CTE as it truly exist, like the sytem or not.

I will present this on DVD as I see it, negatives and positives.

The end result for me is PRO ONE.

Hopefully the material will be presented in such a way that a student that has desire and proper motivation can connect with the system. CTE/PRO ONE is truly an incredible system. It's actually a gift.

Those that want the gift will have to work for it as WORDS do not teach. The serious student will have to ultimately experience CTE and PRO ONE on their own. Knowlege comes from experience.

Experience is the true teacher!!

The DVD will be foudational for those that really want to learn CTE and PRO ONE.

And lastly, it absolutely helps to have an accurate perception and a reasonably straight stroke.

Stan Shuffett

hey stan when will the dvd be done? id like a copy
 
Wrist Twist.

Others have "presented" CTE as an exact system, but nobody has come remotely close to showing it is one, and I'm sure you (or is it Spidey?) won't be able to without making the system more confusing and less popular.

pj
chgo

Patrick,
I'll take a chance here and just guess that you will be and are flat out wrong.

I will also take a chance and say that Stan's video will make CTE and Pro One more popular than ever.

(BTW, I know you can't be swayed and I'm not trying but I've already sent you some green rep welcoming you back.)

Good to see that you haven't lost your swing but you might need to check out that ProShot Glove thread and fix that wrist twist. :D
 
In section 2, Roger will be doing the equivalent of a filibuster, not so much explaining the system but the whys and wherefores of the consternation that surrounds CTE. AT least that's how I read the article.

You go, Roger! Thanks for the head-up Manwon. When Roger publishes the next article hopefully it will be noted in this thread since I am now subscribed. I would hate to miss all of that next article and the ones to follow.

Thanks Joey, I wish others would understand that is all this thread was designed for, I will keep you personally informed.

Have a nice day
 
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Wouldn't be the first time, Joey. I remember one time back in... well, my memory's a little rusty, so I could be mistaken.

One thing I'm certain of is that there will be no demonstration or proof of CTE's "exactness" - that's simply impossible without making the system unworkably cumbersome. Stan's DVD may well add to CTE's popularity overall, but trying to make it exact (or prove it already is) will work against that and diminish his effectiveness.

pj
chgo

PRO ONE is a professional aiming system. If PRO ONE is exact enough for a Pro to use that says something. Exact, to me, refers to systematic and repeatable. It's not that easy to convert Pros to a systematic approach to aiming, but it's happening and it will continue to happen because of the solidity of the system.

For the first time, this knowledge will be available in detail for everyone. There will be a learning curve. The time it takes for one to learn CTE/PRO ONE will vary.

Stan Shuffett
 
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If a simple diagram can show that contact point to contact point is exact or that ghost ball is exact, please explain why a CAD drawing can't show that CTE is exact?


That's like saying, "All the globes in the world will never prove the world isn't flat."



ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, cause CTE is not exact.

Lou Figueroa
and I think you got
the one about the globes
backwards :-)
 
PRO ONE is a professional aiming system. If PRO ONE is exact enough for a Pro to use that says something. Exact, to me, refers to systematic and repeatable. It's not that easy to convert Pros to a systematic approach to aiming, but it's happening and it will continue to happen because of the solidity of the system.

For the first time, this knowledge will be available in detail for everyone. There will be a learning curve. The time it takes for one to learn CTE/PRO ONE will vary.

Stan Shuffett


There are a million things that can be systematic and repeatable. That would not make them accurate, or perfect, or exact. How many people have been doing the same thing over and over again, for years, in exactly the same way and still can't make a ball?

Lou Figueroa
can do the Chicken Dance perfectly
but still ain't no Fred Astaire
 
and hey, Stan, one udder thing: be sure to send Joey a free copy -- he never pays for stuff he gives good reviews to :-)

Lou Figueroa
it's a no brainer

Funny seeing how your buddy P.J. wants to watch a copy but not pay for it.
 
Did any of you see the wall that went up . CTE on 1 side and traditional on the other side . Take note where the sarcasm is coming from .
 
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