You also have to remember Barry did at one time run a US Open for Women as well.
2010 US Open 9 Ball Championship - An Open Letter from Barry Behrman
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You also have to remember Barry did at one time run a US Open for Women as well.
I don't ever remember Kelly telling the 20-30 women to boycott that had very little chance of making the final 16 that filled the fields of ALL the WPBA stops she has played in. Without them her share of the purse money would be a lot lower over the years. I don't think this will help Kwick Fire cue sales at all. Johnnyt
This is very strong language that Kelly Fisher is using. On the surface, it would appear that this is a tremendous opportunity for the women to play in the US Open.
Perhaps there's something else going on which may explain why Kelly thinks that the women should boycott the US Open.
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Thae only statement she's made so far is "boycott" and "filling the field", what other motive could she have? How much power does Kelly Fisher have with the women of the WPBA? Johnnyt
Barry
I have known about this for a long time-years, but I never said a word to anyone because it wasnt my business, so I kept my mouth shut. I'm a biz man like Barry and he has my respect more than ever, it aint easy being a biz man or everyone would be doing it.
He didnt side step the issues like weak people would do or a policatation like Bill Clinton did so often.
i hope it all works out like as promised, i believe it will. Say hello to your puppy for me
best
eric
I have known about this for a long time-years, but I never said a word to anyone because it wasnt my business, so I kept my mouth shut. I'm a biz man like Barry and he has my respect more than ever, it aint easy being a biz man or everyone would be doing it.
He didnt side step the issues like weak people would do or a policatation like Bill Clinton did so often.
i hope it all works out like as promised, i believe it will. Say hello to your puppy for me
best
eric
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As I recall it was the only US sporting event that wasn't canceled. All air traffic was suspended and many could not get to the Open which drastically effected the gate. Sadly, a players' group didn't recognize what a great thing Barry was doing for them and was unwilling to agree to reduced payouts.
Why should Barry settle it in private, What Kelly did was put Barry on blast for the whole world to know.
He's done a tremendous amount for pool.
He's done a tremendous amount for pool.
Kelly doesn't say to the girls that they are just filling the field, she wanted them to boycott the event because Barry SAID they were just filling the field.
She proably felt that Barry kind of disrespected all the women, when wanting them to just fill the field and be eye-catchers of his event.
In any tournament, there are going to be pool players who are not quite good enough to finish in the top places. In that sense, these male or female "second tier players" are filling the field by paying an entree fee with little expectation of getting their money back or finishing in the top places.
In the 8-ball IPT, I don't recall anyone saying that Trudeau was trying to fill the field with women players or that he wanted them to be eye candy for his tournaments.
Barry is certainly not disrespecting the women players by giving them an opportunity to play.
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Roy, I talk to Barry often. He would LOVE for a woman to go deep in his tournament. He is constantly asking me who has the best chance and how far do I think she can go. I told him I fully expect to see a woman in the final 32, maybe even the final 24. I would be surprised if a lady makes the final 16, but it's possible!
Barry DOES NOT at any time talk about women players with disrespect, or refer to them as "filler". He admires their abilities and is excited about them coming to play this year. It would have happened sooner but he was respectful of the WPBA Tour, and their wishes. This year is a special case with so few events for women in America. Hopefully it will become a tradition, one more major event where women are welcome to play alongside the men. They are already competing in several other "open" tournaments with the men - World Pool Masters, Predator Ten Ball, U.S. Bar Table etc.
I have no idea what prompted Kelly to make the remarks she did. They were ill considered and way off base. I hope that she realizes this at some point in time.
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I don't remember Barry saying that the women were just there to fill the field in either of the two press releases. Maybe I missed that part. Is Line playing in the US Open? Johnnyt
She certainly did not put Barry on blast. You probably would have never even heard about it unless you live near Kelly or you were at the event where she allegedly made the statement. Or I guess unless Barry put it in an open letter to the entire industry.
If John Doe and I are talking in a pool room, and I said that I didn't like a person or a tournament - that is not putting them on blast. However, if John Doe then turns around and posts it to the whole world - that would make HIM kind of an instigator. It's even worse if John Doe hears about it third hand, doesn't directly confront the person about what was said, and then issues a freaking press release.
Look at what has happened. Barry put out this press release, which probably would have gotten next to zero attention if it weren't for the Kelly paragraph. I have no idea what his intentions were, but I have my own opinion. I think it is he who put Kelly on blast.
wow-mr whodat i wasnt going to post again but you got me-kelly made a statement in public-she is not john doe or you its going to get around when that happens-if shes too stupid to know it thats one thing .
but stop defending her and going after barry-can you play?do you play?
have you ever spent some time tryin to pay the bills playing pool?
this man (who again i know is no saint)contributes to pool every fckin year
nothing stops him-you who i dont know are sitting here chirping kelly,kelly kelly-im sick of being the internet police but jesus enough-do you respect jays opinion?do you see anyone named person defending her?(by named i mean semi famous or better)i know a few of the top players over the years and one thing they never do is open their mouths in front of strangers-it gets around
the nitwits of the world who want to claim freindship or be"in" will be the
first ones running down the street to tell everyone what they heard
and depending on the subject throw their own 2 cents in
so please ....please stop defending the stupidity
but stop defending her and going after barry-can you play?do you play?
have you ever spent some time tryin to pay the bills playing pool?
this man (who again i know is no saint)contributes to pool every fckin year
nothing stops him-you who i dont know are sitting here chirping kelly,kelly kelly-im sick of being the internet police but jesus enough-do you respect jays opinion?do you see anyone named person defending her?(by named i mean semi famous or better)i know a few of the top players over the years and one thing they never do is open their mouths in front of strangers-it gets around
the nitwits of the world who want to claim freindship or be"in" will be the
first ones running down the street to tell everyone what they heard
and depending on the subject throw their own 2 cents in
so please ....please stop defending the stupidity
Q-MasterRat
one pocket wanna be
I cant believe people are taking Miss Fisher's side on this issue. How do you think it got back to Barry? he doesn't live near her nor was he at the tournament where she said what she did. She was dead wrong! Barry has been in the Game a lot longer than little miss know it all, and deserves more respect than he recieved from her, and a few others on this forum. If you know Barry like I do, you would know he is for anything that will improve the image of pool and put more money in the pockets of the Pro's. He eats, sleeps, and shits Pool. I for one am proud to call Barry a friend, and take it personally when people attack his reputation and his intentions. He is a friend to all pool players, Male or Female and has proven this many times, sometimes at a high personal cost. I also think an induction into The Hall of Fame is in line. My 2 cents for what it's worth.
Sailor
Sailor
Seriously the ass kissing some of you do on the forum is beyond annoying. Whether you agree with Kelly or not, she like anyone else has a right to express an opinion regardless of what someone has or has not done for the sport.
I have been to two US Opens now, and I have to say that Barry gives it a bit of character. It is obvious he loves what he does. Barry is that over the top, braggart, used car salesman type of guy who has a passion (you either love him or hate him). He may talk fast, and do some things the wrong way, but the intentions are good. I would rather have someone like him than the fly-by-night straight up crooks that run some events.
Some people get worse as they age, where Barry seems to mellow into a more mature and thoughtful version of his younger self. Like wine, he is getting better over time.
I will go to this tournament every year, even though I may move further away (4 hour drive now), because it is absolutely a blast. The entire scene at the venue, at the local hotels and at Qmasters can not be beat.
Some people get worse as they age, where Barry seems to mellow into a more mature and thoughtful version of his younger self. Like wine, he is getting better over time.
I will go to this tournament every year, even though I may move further away (4 hour drive now), because it is absolutely a blast. The entire scene at the venue, at the local hotels and at Qmasters can not be beat.
Pooljunkie you are correct she has a right to her opinion whatever it is.
I have spoken to Kelly briefly on the subject of Men and Women playing in the same tournaments and it is her view that it's not the best way to go. I suspect you have to go back a few years and look at what happened to Womens Snooker to see where she is coming from. The mixing there would seem to have been a disaster for the Womens game, which was going along quite nicely and making some strides forward. Whether you agree with Kelly or not and whether she did it the right way, that's her opinion and she has a right to express it. Personally I am not sure she is right here, I think the two Snooker and Pool are different and the outcome may well be good for the Women.
I have spoken to Kelly briefly on the subject of Men and Women playing in the same tournaments and it is her view that it's not the best way to go. I suspect you have to go back a few years and look at what happened to Womens Snooker to see where she is coming from. The mixing there would seem to have been a disaster for the Womens game, which was going along quite nicely and making some strides forward. Whether you agree with Kelly or not and whether she did it the right way, that's her opinion and she has a right to express it. Personally I am not sure she is right here, I think the two Snooker and Pool are different and the outcome may well be good for the Women.
Seriously? You'd like me to stop expressing my opinion? Let me think about it for a minute. NAH.
I do respect Jay's opinion. I believe I clearly stated that in one of my posts. And IF Kelly said what Barry accuses her of, then it is my opinion that she should have told him that privately. But it is also my opinion that Barry was way more out of line by taking the dispute to the press and the public, which is not what Kelly did. She supposedly said it in a conversation with someone at a pool room.
If you can't see the difference between 2 people having a conversation and someone airing their grievances in the court of public appeal, well then you are exactly the type of person that Barry was writing to.
It doesn't matter what he has done or she has done in the past or what their reputations are. In this situation, he took it too far. And I believe he did so intentionally in order to stir up some publicity.
I'm done with you now. I have been respectful of everyone's posts, but you and I are clearly coming from a different place. No need for you to continue with the illiterate badgering.
And yes - I play. You would be surprised.
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Here he goes again!
Barry only makes changes because he has to, not because he wants to. This "he does it because he loves pool" is a tired example that's been parroted over and over. Sure, it's a great event, no doubt, but it's the behind the scenes activities that I'm the most critical about. The manipulating of the draw, table assignments and times of play that can
determine who goes deep in a tournament that I'm sure, with a little coaching from the worlds greatest TD, will/can assure the best odds of a player to go deep. I'm I the only one in the world who thinks this and has the nerve to say it? Come on, lets get real. Nothing is a better teacher than experience. Pool is still in its infancy and these things will change in time. A great start is to have an open draw that includes all of the above. . everything transparant.(now that would be exciting) I'm beginning to dread hearing my posts but change will come eventually. I don't like arguing with strangers but I can be open to discussion. What's to discuss? Making friends the hard way.
Canwin
Barry only makes changes because he has to, not because he wants to. This "he does it because he loves pool" is a tired example that's been parroted over and over. Sure, it's a great event, no doubt, but it's the behind the scenes activities that I'm the most critical about. The manipulating of the draw, table assignments and times of play that can
determine who goes deep in a tournament that I'm sure, with a little coaching from the worlds greatest TD, will/can assure the best odds of a player to go deep. I'm I the only one in the world who thinks this and has the nerve to say it? Come on, lets get real. Nothing is a better teacher than experience. Pool is still in its infancy and these things will change in time. A great start is to have an open draw that includes all of the above. . everything transparant.(now that would be exciting) I'm beginning to dread hearing my posts but change will come eventually. I don't like arguing with strangers but I can be open to discussion. What's to discuss? Making friends the hard way.
Canwin