I found a new glue for tips - any one tried this ?

Newton

Newton

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After loosing 4 Kamui tips I installed - due to use of $hity glue I had
a look in some of my local suppliers catalogs. I came over this one which was in
the catalog with hardly any information to it at all. Searching at Loctites web gave
some good vibes :dance:
http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/4/2/sg_plstc/overview/Loctite-Plastics-Bonding-System.htm

Any one tried it which makes this old news ?

I normally use 434 but the last couple of times I have bought something which is
just beside my work - easier to get - and was suppose to be a good CA Gel - but
that has for sure been experienced to NOT be the case.


Kent
 
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BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Are you precoating the tip with ca? ...JER
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Yes Jer,
I have used the same procedure for some time where I seal the tip after sanding with CA and then a light sand afterwards.
In the old days I burnished the tip so it was not starving the bond, but honestly I think this is just bad CA... I could of course go back to 434 and actually try to burnish the tip again.
The Kamui Black has been a little trouble some but then again using the same bad CA don't help.
I always whipe off the dust from the tip and use alcohol or that stuff you clean your brushes in when you pain-to remove body fat from ferrule (hardly touch any surfaces with my fingers).
Reading on the glue I linked to - you prime hard gluing surfaces - wait - and apply ONE DROP to activate.... Not sure if that was what I expected...

Kent
 
foxcues said:
I use the loctite 454 and it works great.
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Me too! As long as it's kept refrigerated, you can't find a better glue for tips. Buying any glue off the shelf is risky. I buy my Loctite 454 from an aircraft repair supplier who receives it in a cooler and keeps it refrigerated until it's purchased. I keep mine in a refrigerator once I get it home. It's the nuts!
 
454 for over a decade its the TRIPPLE NUTZ

there are many things we could disagree on here but what glue to use is not really one of them imop....most every knowledgeable cue person here swears by it....

thats strong,
-Grey Ghost-
 
greyghost said:
454 for over a decade its the TRIPPLE NUTZ

there are many things we could disagree on here but what glue to use is not really one of them imop....most every knowledgeable cue person here swears by it....

thats strong,
-Grey Ghost-
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I used it for a number of years with great success but for the last 3 or 4 years I have switched over to Loctite Ultra Gel. I was buying the 20 gram 454 but only would use about 3/4 a tube when it would go bad. That didn't bother me as that was still a lot of tips however in the summer time, when business slows to a crawl I would still have about 3/4 tube left. This was expensive.

I read here on AZ about the success with the Loctite gel and started using it with absolutely no problems. When the Ultra Gel came out I switched to that. I can't tell the ultra gel from the 454 as far as gluing on tips. When I put them on they stay but the Ultra is easier to find in smaller containers so it is always fresh.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
I used it for a number of years with great success but for the last 3 or 4 years I have switched over to Loctite Ultra Gel. I was buying the 20 gram 454 but only would use about 3/4 a tube when it would go bad. That didn't bother me as that was still a lot of tips however in the summer time, when business slows to a crawl I would still have about 3/4 tube left. This was expensive.

I read here on AZ about the success with the Loctite gel and started using it with absolutely no problems. When the Ultra Gel came out I switched to that. I can't tell the ultra gel from the 454 as far as gluing on tips. When I put them on they stay but the Ultra is easier to find in smaller containers so it is always fresh.

Dick
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I am also using the Loctite Ultra Gel.
 
I have been using the all plastics loctite for about 3 years. Stuff works great and it's cheap. But fwiw 454 is still the best stickem.

John
 
Test performed

I bought a whole bunch of glues, all what they had (which did not include the
454)


Super Glue All Plastic:
The primer is a felt pen which is applied in each end. Then the CA seemed to be
VERY evaporating where the glue turned white even before the first drop was placed while hanging in the glue containers tip....
Not sure if this is due to the glue being bad or not, but I had a run at it on a Mezz shaft.
The bad part is that it's workable straight after like any CA but not 100% loadable
until 8 hours....

Loctite Super GLue Flex Gel:
This was a new one which had some form of rubber reinforcement in it. In this case I
prepared both surfaces like normal, however I did NOT seal the tip.
The tip was sanded with 120 and cleaned - but just before I mounted it on the
ferrule (where the glue was placed) I dipped the tip in a whet towel and immediately
pushed it over on the ferrule. This seemed to hold very well - it bonded immediately
and I cut the tip like normal afterwards. The OB2 and the Kamui Black SS is going
out to a customer tonight for a test. Time will show if it holds.

Loctite Super Glue Precision:

Normal procedure but the bonding did not seem as good as the Super Glue Flex.
In this case I sealed the tip with CA and after applying the glue on the ferrule
I did the same whet procedure. Tip cut OK and seemed to hold and the OB2/Kamui Black SS
is going out tonight for the customer for a test run.

I also got the Power Epoxy, Power Glue Repair Extreme and Super Glue Brush on to try on the 2 shafts being returned.
Results would be fed back on this thread.

Only reason for trying these out is that the 454 is not available locally where
I have to drive for a while to get those.

And no, no shop keeps these in a cool place / Fridge - but I have a sneaking
feeling that this is applicable when the glue has been opened and used
(to slow down potential evaporation through non sealing tops on the glue stick).

Anyway, shooting out now for a evaluation with the customer.

Kent
 
Newton said:
Loctite Super GLue Flex Gel:
This was a new one which had some form of rubber reinforcement in it.
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This is the one I use as well- some sort of "rubber" added to allow some flexibility... I get it at Homo-Depot when I need it so it is assumed to be 'fresh'. I chuck it after a month or so regardless of how much I have left just in case...

Anyway, I sand the back of the tip, blow off dust and clean it with acetone.
Machine the ferrule, clean it with Acetone (I only do Ivory, so Acetone may be a problem on the plastic ferrules- isopropyl should be OK for most plastics)
Put a generous amount of the glue on the tip, and smear in place on the ferrule. I want to see glue oozing out all sides, like gluing up wood. This makes me feel that I am not drying out the glue line due to an overly absorptive tip.
Press the tip in place with the tail stock and have a drink (or do something else).
Come back later and cut and shape it.

I break and play with these tips (Triangles) and have never [knock on wood] had one come off.


I have also used Loctite 430 and it also seems to be fine. In fact, it is quite good for Delrin, which can be difficult to glue as you know.

In all cases, I ALWAYS clean the surfaces with Acetone to remove any trace of anything that might be on there. Maybe that's the secret, and the glue matters less?:confused:
 
Cue Guru;

We're doing the same thing, exept that I don't clean any tip with my liquids and I use alcohol or that other stuff mentioned which I don't know the US name for.
I stay away from the tip cleaning (Edit:with liquids) due to the fact that I'm afraid to change the tips glue properties (I mean, the leather on layered tips which is glued together)

Aceton is some really nasty stuff and you should take good care of your self (Edit: Not) breathing the fumes...

I tried a degreaser on spray can for ferrule cleaning and that was pretty good. Did not smell as strong as Aceton at least.

K
 
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pmcues patm

Im just a little guy here on this form my Q's never get answered. my two cent on tip glue is Ive been using duro gel for 4 years never had a problem!:)
 
Helicopter tip repair.......

rhncue said:
I used it for a number of years with great success but for the last 3 or 4 years I have switched over to Loctite Ultra Gel. I was buying the 20 gram 454 but only would use about 3/4 a tube when it would go bad. That didn't bother me as that was still a lot of tips however in the summer time, when business slows to a crawl I would still have about 3/4 tube left. This was expensive.

I read here on AZ about the success with the Loctite gel and started using it with absolutely no problems. When the Ultra Gel came out I switched to that. I can't tell the ultra gel from the 454 as far as gluing on tips. When I put them on they stay but the Ultra is easier to find in smaller containers so it is always fresh.

Dick
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I had read that same thing also about the loctite gel quite a few moons ago....I can't remember if i picked up the plain gel or the Ultra...I believe it was the ultra and i feel the same as I havent seen much difference in the products as they both work just as good as the 454.

I was actually around 12 years old or so and my uncle had given me a white earl strickland cuetek lol and when the tip came off I brought it to a local place that did tip work and it poped off again, I brought it back and POP it comes off again!!!!! (they were using that tweeten glue...JUNK! You couldn't get velcro to stick to itself with that garbage!)

I talked to my uncle jamie and he brought me a tube of this new really bad ass super glue from his work he said they just started using (he's a helicopter mechanic for Airlog)....It was Loctite 454 I'm 26 now and thats how I happened upon it and started my interest in fixing and learning about cues, how they are built and function.....and finally producing some of my own.

I can't lie tho I sure in the hell did glue myself to myself more than a few times back then.....but that NEVER happens anymore lol:cool: (TOTAL BS!!)

funny how things get started,
-Grey Ghost-
 
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locktite ultra glue here. for over 10 years. no problems

i didnt read the entire thread but are you worried that an accelorator gets to hard and brittle. and will break
 
dave sutton said:
locktite ultra glue here. for over 10 years. no problems

i didnt read the entire thread but are you worried that an accelorator gets to hard and brittle. and will break
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What I'm afraid of Dave, is that the one drop of glue is
not able to put the whole accelorator alive when pushed together...
If not there might be areas under the tip which
only contains accel. and no glue causing those funny
noises we know-even if the drop of glue is strong
enough to keep the tip in place.
I would contact the player tomorrow and hear
how todays tourney whent.
The two OB2 shafts has not been tested yet by
customer nr2..

Kent
 
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