CTE - Opinions From Actual Students

Redneck Jim

Redneck Jim

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WANTED - Real World Results from actual CTE students.

NOT from those who tried to learn CTE using the cryptic,
incomplete, contradictory, and in some cases, false information
that is in the many threads out there.
I feel your pain.

NOT from those that were actually able to wade through
all the online info and make sense of it.
My hat's off to you, though.

DEFINATELY NOT from those that havn't been taught or even tried
to learn it, but still have nothing but negative views of it.
Why should anyone care what you think?

What is really needed are experiences, results, and opinions
from those that were actually instructed on how to use CTE by
instructors that teach it day after day.
Real results from real students.

From my observations on this forum, some of the "in the trenches"
instructors of CTE and its variations of Hal Houle's aiming method are:

Stan Shuffett - CTE/Pro One
Ron Vitello - Swivel Aiming (or 90/90 as Spidey named it)
Randy Goetlicher - Same Aim
Tom Simpson - Same Aim
Scott Lee - Same Aim
Neil - A Version Of CTE
Others that I've not aware of yet - sorry if I missed you.

These are actual instructors who put thier reputations and credibility
on the line when they indorse and teach. Thier success and income
is dependent on results.

So, If you've had lessons from one of the instructors, you would be doing
us all a favor if you reported on your results and impressions
of the CTE system.
 
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I learned Cte/Pro One from Stan Shuffett and talked with Ron Vitello to learn 90/90 aiming. They are similar systems that overlap each other with aiming points. I rely mainly on 90/90 because it is a little simpler to use (I'm lazy) than Cte for me.

Cte is a good tool for players that are not lining up correctly on their shots because you use your eyes more to establish your setup. This really helps your PSR which as we all know is critical to consistency. Pro One is Cte without the rigid physical mechanics which can break your rhythm at the table.

90/90 is more of a stick aiming method that I use and that I've morphed with Ron V's blessing. I like my new (to me) method and found out from Dave Segal there are many other different variations you can employ with it and pocket balls. BTW, Spidey coined the phrase 90/90 aiming. Ron V. calls it "Swivel aiming".

Best,
Mike
 
What is being asked?

This thread seems to be DOA....save Mike.

I am not an instructor, but I am a mechanical engineer who has diagrammed CTE in Acad a dimensionally accurate CAD drawing tool.

I believe that it can work if one works at it.

Many instructors have contributed to the learning of CTE here on AZ. There are a few interpretations and conclusions that have not been resolved yet here...and will not, in my estimation.

I fully concur with a few contributors that there are adjustments that need to be taught or learned by trial and error - like other systems.

Among these is the offset of the cue from the CTE Line before the pivot.

Does one need to move the bridge hand forward or backward to achieve a greater or lesser cut angle.

How does one compensate for the distance between the CB and the OB when they are close togetheer and when they are far apart.

It has recently been acknowledged in another thread, that foreshortening
has to be included in the equation as the OB appears smaller the farther it is away from the CB - I concur. Because of this, it will be hard to diagram CTE from a birds eye view where all balls are the same size.

Just sayin.:smile::thumbup:
 
90/90 (as a term) was Ron's for sure. I believe he did call it his swivel system. I "MAY" (not sure) have started calling his system the 90/90 system because a huge majority of the shots you shoot were 90/90. I think 90/90 stuck because of some posts here on azb.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
90/90 (as a term) was Ron's for sure. I believe he did call it his swivel system. I "MAY" (not sure) have started calling his system the 90/90 system because a huge majority of the shots you shoot were 90/90. I think 90/90 stuck because of some posts here on azb.
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Hey Dave,

You can take credit for the term according to Ron. He joked about it with me and said it just "caught on". I guess this makes you famous except for the fact that you didn't get even an honorable mention from Jim in his Cte list of contributors. :rolleyes: J/k, Jim. :grin-square:

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
Hey Dave,

You can take credit for the term according to Ron. He joked about it with me and said it just "caught on". I guess this makes you famous except for the fact that you didn't get even an honorable mention from Jim in his Cte list of contributors. :rolleyes: J/k, Jim. :grin-square:

Best,
Mike
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That's ok - I kinda like being in the shadows.
 
LAMas said:
It has recently been acknowledged in another thread, that foreshortening
has to be included in the equation as the OB appears smaller the farther it is away from the CB - I concur. Because of this, it will be hard to diagram CTE from a birds eye view where all balls are the same size.

Just sayin.:smile::thumbup:
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Not for nothing, but I'm glad it's been "recently acknowledged." This has actually been said since day one (okay, year 1) from Hal and has been repeated many times.

Fred <~~~ said "optics" at least a zillion years ago
 
Neil said:
Jim really needs to edit his first post! If it wasn't for Spidey, I never would have paid much attention to CTE. Hal Houle's name should be first on that list! John Barton also, while not a known instructor, he has done a lot of figuring out and thereby instructing of his own on CTE. I give credit to Spidey and John and 8 pack for my finally figuring it out enough to use and teach.
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You made my day - thanks Neil.
 
Neil said:
I am a student of Neil's and have been using a version of CTE. I like it very much and it has helped me with my game. I find that I can aim some shots much better than I did before and more of my balls are going into the pockets than before. I like this aiming system very much and will continue to use it when I play 8 and 9 ball.
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Which Neil ?
 
LAMas said:
...foreshortening has to be included in the equation as the OB appears smaller the farther it is away from the CB...
Because of this, it will be hard to diagram CTE from a birds eye view where all balls are the same size.
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Since the CTE line doesn't change with OB distance, I assume you mean the necessary shift-distance/pivot-length does...?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Since the CTE line doesn't change with OB distance, I assume you mean the necessary shift-distance/pivot-length does...?

pj
chgo
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Yes, That's the conclusion to what I mean/said.
Thanks.

What is the red stuff on your fish avatar...it looks yummy?
 
When it comes to CTE, Stan is prob the only guy who got to the bottom of CTE completely, 100%. I'd like to think that I contributed a little by collaborating with Stan the last 5 years; however, the last few key items are Stan's breakthroughs - not mine.

I went to Hal's house about 3 months ago just to check-in and make sure he's doing ok. When I described Stan's latest model, Hal replied by saying, "That's it - you got it." I didn't "get it," I was just repeating the info Stan gave me a few weeks earlier.

Hal used to tell me, "So, did you figure out those 3 and 4 railers yet?" and I used to say "yeah" because I never knew what he meant. The ironic thing is he told the world and we never figured it out.

CTE can't be simplified beyond what it is - it's the lowest common denominator. Given, you can change pivot lengths/offsets and/or pivot directions - but that's it. And just because one air-pivots, doesn't mean he/she isn't pivoting. In short, CTE can't be improved. Pro1 isn't an improved version of CTE - it IS CTE with a modified pivot.

The instructors listed above are all super and HIGHLY knowledgeable. I'm a student of most of them. Whether you call it Pro1, Grail, Same Aim, etc.... it's CTE.

After Stan's video is released, everyone will use that content and incorporate it into the CTE variants because it's "core" CTE - as Hal made it. I don't think that's a bad thing - it's a good thing. It means everyone will hopefully get the full picture regardless of what instructor they choose. It's like taking algebra class. If you take algebra from 3 different teachers, you should get the same core info from each instructor.

I think years from now everyone will be using this info and it'll be the way aiming is taught. Time will only tell.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Since the CTE line doesn't change with OB distance, I assume you mean the necessary shift-distance/pivot-length does...?

pj
chgo
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Your offset (sight line) doesn't reference the OB edge. Therefore, distance affects everything. As Biggie says, "In case you didn't know.... now ya know ___" :)
 
Spidey:
Your offset (sight line) doesn't reference the OB edge. Therefore, distance affects everything.
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Is this just another cryptic CTE attention-getting post, or are you going to say something useful like what that means?

As Biggie says, "In case you didn't know.... now ya know ___" :)
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I doubt anybody knows more after your post than before.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Is this just another cryptic CTE attention-getting post, or are you going to say something useful like what that means?


I doubt anybody knows more after your post than before.

pj
chgo
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Sure. You don't sight down the CTEL exclusively--- your eyes are looking across it to another point. I don't wanna get into too much detail until the release of the video. Once the video is out---- I'll go into tons of detail with everyone. It'll be too much like telling everyone the plot of a movie before it's released.

The good news is... the video will be out very soon. You'll see why the distance perspective issue comes into play.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Sure. You don't sight down the CTEL exclusively--- your eyes are looking across it to another point. I don't wanna get into too much detail until the release of the video. Once the video is out---- I'll go into tons of detail with everyone. It'll be too much like telling everyone the plot of a movie before it's released.

The good news is... the video will be out very soon. You'll see why the distance perspective issue comes into play.
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Better. Thanks.

pj
chgo
 
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