Tired of the cry babies

You're right.

And if everyone tried as hard as you did to make the wing ball, we now have 2 million people making the wing ball every time or close to every time, Then pool fizzles out.

If your logic is right, then why have an opponent, take your years of experience and just break, if you don't run 4 racks, you lose and go to the losers side. No need to involve an opponent. There are enough pool games which 2 people don't interact, we don't need one more.


Jallan said:
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan
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Breaker shoots

Yes, some tournament play is going this way where the breaker shoots wheter of not a ball is made. Why not just give them ball in hand too?

Another candy a$$ rule is alternating break. You're down 6 to 2 in alternating break in a race to 7, how do you come back when the opponent is breaking at least 3 times more? We play alot of alternating break around here and it isn't pool. My longest break and run lately is 1, because of this rule. Nothing like running out 3 or more games to win, too bad some people won't get the opportunity to see this.
 
Because alternating break is exciting and results in lots of 9-8 scores.
Everyone gets to play and if you are using that famous wing break then you can guarantee that all you need to work on is your lag, or coin flipping ability.
 
I think many people are missing something here. Even if ya make a ball on the break, you still have to make the other 8 balls on the table.
The way everybody is posting, it's like they can run out every single rack. I must really suck, because I can't run out every time I get to the table.

I'm willing to bet that most people are not the favorite to break and run more than 50% of the time. I'll put my money on it. Most guys can't run out even if you give them BIH after the break.

I agree that making the wing ball makes 9 ball an easier game than 10 ball. But, you still have to play position for the 1 ball and run the rack.
 
tucson9ball said:
This makes sense to me. I have heard of this rule, I don't like it but have heard of it.
The original post implies that you can shoot again even if you don't make a ball on the break. He had me confused.
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Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.
 
Mikjary said:
What about playing in a tourney that doesn't allow jump cues? You can roll out to a jump shot and completely dominate most players that have never learned to jump balls with their cue. Most of the safety specialists and grinders would have to learn about actually running out instead of ducking or running over to get the jump toothpick when they get out of line.

Best,
Mike
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On the break, yes. That's just a one time thing, though.
 
TorranceChris said:
Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.
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May be in reference to Paul Schofield's threads about pattern racking and such. Paul's tournaments have this rule and apparently, the players are ok with it.
 
TorranceChris said:
Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.
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Ah I see. I must have missed that thread. If they put that rule in, even I might be able to compete, LOL. I can break and play position on the 1 ball. If I didn't have to make a ball on the break, I could make the 1 ball and control the table.
I think that rule would suck. The break is a big part of the game and should require making a ball to shoot again.
 
Shoot after a legal break

I would not subject myself to such idiocy. Simply, don't play in such tournaments or leagues.:(
 
DRW said:
I would not subject myself to such idiocy. Simply, don't play in such tournaments or leagues.:(
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Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I've seen people here post that if rules are adopted for 9 ball eliminating the so-called two-way shot that they would not support tournaments anymore, either spectating or competing. Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face, to me.
Don't be afraid to try something different, it might be better.
 
I think too many people here are not open about rule changes worrying that it will change the game of 9 ball, yet they don't realize how much the game has changed already. Just because you're not used to something doesn't mean its bad. Be a little more open and consider the suggested changes instead of defending the game before you have even began to read the first word.
 
Pushout said:
Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I've seen people here post that if rules are adopted for 9 ball eliminating the so-called two-way shot that they would not support tournaments anymore, either spectating or competing. Seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face, to me.
Don't be afraid to try something different, it might be better.
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A two way shot is very different. It's a very intelligently played shot, for example:allowing the shooter to go for a bank shot and stop the cue ball. If you make the bank shot you get position for your next ball, if missing the bank usually you have a ball blocking your opponents direct line. The two way gives the shooter a very high percentage of either running out or getting back to the table for another chance at running out.

Implementing a new rule to shoot again after the break without making a ball will just allow people to soft break and simply play position on the 1 ball in the side or corner. I think 9 ball is good the way it is.

The next thing folks will want to change is allowing another shot in 1 pocket. Now, talk about changing a game, geez.:rolleyes:
 
9-ball

Yea....the "good ol' rules" ! Let's get pool back to where it was before TV special rules crap! There are some of the young players that don't even know what a "spot shot" is ???


dr9ball said:
If you want to go back to the "9 ball rules" that were played for so long...can we bring back the 2 shot roll out rule and get rid of ball in hand after every foul?
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Jallan said:
I am a no one in the pool world. My longest pack is a 4 pack, off a Magic Rack no less. I get scared when I play players better than me. My opinion is worth nothing and my reputation is better than I think it should ever be... but here goes.

I am so tired of this "breaker shoots after a legal break" bull. I have busted my rear to make my break better. I have spent hours racking and breaking because I wanted to earn that wing ball.

9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long, and never would you have heard any of the greats say, "you know what, that was a legal break and even though you didn't make a ball go ahead and shoot out the rack."

This is the same issues as little league teams who don't keep score because they don't want any of the kids to think they lost. "Lets give everyone a trophy because they tried." I didn't get any awards as a kid because I tried.... and if I would have I would have had the common sense to throw them away. I would have known they were pitty awards and would have been insulted they got tossed my way.

You come to the table and you break and you make a ball and if you don't, sit your sally rear in the chair. No pitty, no rewards. Stop throwing a fit about what isn't fair and make it fair.... you know why they break better than you? Because they worked at it, thats why. You know how you level the playing field? You practice too.

This thread will die in 4 hours and that may be a good thing but I wanted to let all you know how I feel about this touchy feely crap that half, or at least a verbal group is embrassing... stop being a bunch of cry babies and play the game the way it is suppose to be played. You break, you make, you run.... you break, you don't make, you get beat.

Jered Allan
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Jered I agree with you and I think you are certain a lot more observant and a better player than you let on.

Good thread
 
manwon said:
Jered I agree with you and I think you are certain a lot more observant and a better player than you let on.

Good thread
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Craig...agree with you on both points...regarding the thread, and the OP's true ability. But after how many years? I still can't get over how pig ugly that avatar of yours is...GOOD LORD! :eek::eek::eek:

This is the way I see this issue: In any pool game that is normally played, if you miss, you sit. The break is a shot, albeit a shot which is designed to spread out the balls which are racked. That being said, if you fail to pocket a ball on a legal break, you should sit! Just like any other shot. Look at the other games:

1-Pocket: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

14.1: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

Banks: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

8-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss you sit.

10-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

7-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss you sit.

6-Ball: make a ball on the break, keep shooting. Miss, you sit.

The only exception I can find is 3-Ball...and it's not even scored by who sinks the case ball, but by who can make all three balls in the least amount of shots!

Either way you look at it, pocket billiards has always been played by the "make a ball, continue" philosophy. I'm not saying that at smaller venues this format that was presented would not work. Supposedly it has shown that it does. But people think pattern racking and soft breaking has ruined 9-Ball? Let someone like Corey Deuel or Donny work on this for about a month and see how big the packages they are putting together are. LOL...and we'll be back at square one.
 
Jallan said:
9 ball has been played by nearly the same set of rules for how long,
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I was out of the pool scene for 35 years, and since I've been back I've seen at least 3 major revisions of how racking is performed in the past 3 years.

A) Put the head (1) ball back on the head spot
B) you make a ball, you get to shoot again

I mean, how difficult is it?

C) QUIT moving the TV camera while the stroke is going on.
 
tucson9ball said:
I think many people are missing something here. Even if ya make a ball on the break, you still have to make the other 8 balls on the table.
The way everybody is posting, it's like they can run out every single rack. I must really suck, because I can't run out every time I get to the table.

I'm willing to bet that most people are not the favorite to break and run more than 50% of the time. I'll put my money on it. Most guys can't run out even if you give them BIH after the break.

I agree that making the wing ball makes 9 ball an easier game than 10 ball. But, you still have to play position for the 1 ball and run the rack.
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thank you for inserting some common sense. even the best in the world have REALLY bad matches where they can't run out some of the racks. this argument about the break is overreacting. whatever the rules and the racking setup are it's equal for both players. and if someone argues that it isn't equal, that's fine too because the more prepared player will take advantage of any loopholes.....OIMO (obviously in my opinion)
 
tucson9ball said:
A two way shot is very different. It's a very intelligently played shot, for example:allowing the shooter to go for a bank shot and stop the cue ball. If you make the bank shot you get position for your next ball, if missing the bank usually you have a ball blocking your opponents direct line. The two way gives the shooter a very high percentage of either running out or getting back to the table for another chance at running out.
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The key word in the above is "if". I think you should either be shooting to make the shot or playing safe. I don't consider it intelligent, it simply means that "if" you miss, I have no shot. If you call safety, I have to shoot. If you miss and do not call safe, I should be able to give you back the shot, as in the WPA 10 Ball rules, IIRC.
I didn't mean to get into this, it was just an example of some people's mind set.
 
TorranceChris said:
Actually the OP is referring to a bunch of people who proposed that the game "should" be modified to allow the breaker to have a shot after the break. I forget what thread it was in, but I don't believe he's referring to any tournament actually implementing that rule.
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This is correct. Thanks for all the replies from those who disagree and those who agree, discussion is what is important. And to be honest, I think there are a lot of people who would like to see nine ball played how it was meant to be played, pre Texas Express rules.

It was changed for TV right? Safe to say that pool and television have not had a marriage made in heaven. If television is the wife then online streaming is the mistress and she is doing all the things the wife never would.

Pool has found, I think, its proper medium so get the game back to its roots.
 
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