SUGARTREE Rosewood for sale

hmmmmm....

LGSM3 said:
pretty sure this went to the highest bidder after the op realized his price was too low. Sure didnt go to the first two guys who said they would take it!
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Who knows who it went to, unless you are the one who has it now. And as we all know, that will never be revealed.

But then again, it is the OP's cue, and he can sell it how he deems appropriate, and to any person he wants. Just because you say "I do", doesn't mean that is what will happen. In the end it the seller's right to do what he wants, but I will say it was clever, and he gets an "A" in marketing and building HYPE for his sale. He gets an "F" in integrity, but then I bet he doesn't truly care. It just might stop a lot of people from buying from him in the future, of course if he posts something else that is highly regarded, many of those might just change their tune.



The Clever Set said:
I realize that Sugartrees and in high demand right now, and that Eric doesn't make many cues, but the price they're commanding right now indicates that a lot of cue buyers should be in an asylum.
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High demand, low supply, and top quality make Eric's cues worth the price. If it ain't your cup of tea, no problem, but they seem to be selling pretty well at their asking prices, so it looks as though many disagree with you. But you are allowed your own opinion, and you aren't hurting Eric or his fans by saying this. Call me crazy, or whatever you want, but I'll always pay top dollar for quality. But if quality doesn't mean much to you, then Ebay has quite a few options for you. And I am sure there are quite a few quality cuemakers out there with low pricing, but they might not have become household names yet, so their prices would be lower, in order to get their name out to the buying public.
I heard Dale Perry sells some really unique 1of1 cues over there on ebay:eek: - they must be in huge demand:grin:

JMHO -

Michael (wish I would have bid a little more for this ST cue - under $900 it was a steal) But then again, I am insane!!! But then again - insane pays the bills!!!!
 
GoTulane said:
Who knows who it went to, unless you are the one who has it now. And as we all know, that will never be revealed.

But then again, it is the OP's cue, and he can sell it how he deems appropriate, and to any person he wants. Just because you say "I do", doesn't mean that is what will happen. In the end it the seller's right to do what he wants, but I will say it was clever, and he gets an "A" in marketing and building HYPE for his sale. He gets an "F" in integrity, but then I bet he doesn't truly care. It just might stop a lot of people from buying from him in the future, of course if he posts something else that is highly regarded, many of those might just change their tune.




High demand, low supply, and top quality make Eric's cues worth the price. If it ain't your cup of tea, no problem, but they seem to be selling pretty well at their asking prices, so it looks as though many disagree with you. But you are allowed your own opinion, and you aren't hurting Eric or his fans by saying this. Call me crazy, or whatever you want, but I'll always pay top dollar for quality. But if quality doesn't mean much to you, then Ebay has quite a few options for you. And I am sure there are quite a few quality cuemakers out there with low pricing, but they might not have become household names yet, so their prices would be lower, in order to get their name out to the buying public.
I heard Dale Perry sells some really unique 1of1 cues over there on ebay:eek: - they must be in huge demand:grin:

JMHO -

Michael (wish I would have bid a little more for this ST cue - under $900 it was a steal) But then again, I am insane!!! But then again - insane pays the bills!!!!
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i didnt get it, dissapointed i didnt!

guess being a ***** comes pretty natural to you
 
not really!

LGSM3 said:
i didnt get it, dissapointed i didnt!

guess being a ***** comes pretty natural to you
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It takes loads of practice, and plenty of time hitting the gym.:eek:

What I stated was realistic, given the market and many people needing money, and selling things for low prices just to gather cash.

The guy underpriced it, realized it, and probably took the best offer available before he committed to anybody. Cash in hand is the only commitment, and if anybody can come on here and state he took their money and then refunded it to take a better offer - PLEASE STAND UP!!!!
That is his prerogative, right or wrong, since he does OWN the cue and can do what he will with it. He probably hurt his chances selling another cue on here, but I do not think he cares - he needed cash for a doctor bill - realistically he has other worries than somebody upset that he didn't sell it for a steal of a price. I am sorry you didn't rob the guy. Well, not that sorry. But I will be nice, since it seems that is what you want to hear.

Get over it - move on. And maybe you will find an even better deal.

It is rough out there, the economy sucks, and cues are really difficult to sell around here in the lower ranges. The guy had a cue on demand, and didn't realize it, since he needed money for something more important in his life - his health.

BTW - I didn't get the cue, but I certainly offered more than the $650 asking price, because the cue is worth it, and the guy needed as much money as he could get. The guy deserved it, and Eric's cues deserve more respect than that. If I had the money, I would have offered $850 easy, but I had other commitments.
If I am wrong or insane or an A$$h0le because of my opinion then so be it, I am OK with that.

I will still sleep well at night. And I am sure the OP will too, especially with a little more cash in his hand then he had expected.

Congrats on the sale!!

Michael
 
Yes, Eric does make top quality cues, and my comments weren't a criticism of him or his cues. And no, I'm certainly not hurting Eric with my comments, but some of his overzealous fans might get a little perturbed, along with a few dealers. Eric's not profiting from people selling his cues at inflated prices on the secondary market.

Anyone who pays "collectors" prices (especially from dealers) for work from a living cuemaker need only look at the example of Dale Perry, whom you so kindly brought up, and is the perfect illustration of my point.

In the mid-90's Dale Perry's cues were in very high demand and regularly sold for $1500-$2500 and more. DP cues were considered very high quality and people paid top dollar for that. But, in about 2000, Dale decided to change his business model, and you now have DP 1/1 cues selling on eBay for $100, and a lot of collectors with worthless cues they paid thousands for.

That's why it's not a good idea to overpay for cues from a living cuemaker, especially if you're not buying that cue directly from the guy who made it. They might decide to change their business model and increase supply. We all know what happens then.

I don't need to look on eBay for a cue, I've got a couple of pretty good ones by a guy who makes a nice cue himself. Thanks though.


GoTulane said:
High demand, low supply, and top quality make Eric's cues worth the price. If it ain't your cup of tea, no problem, but they seem to be selling pretty well at their asking prices, so it looks as though many disagree with you. But you are allowed your own opinion, and you aren't hurting Eric or his fans by saying this. Call me crazy, or whatever you want, but I'll always pay top dollar for quality. But if quality doesn't mean much to you, then Ebay has quite a few options for you. And I am sure there are quite a few quality cuemakers out there with low pricing, but they might not have become household names yet, so their prices would be lower, in order to get their name out to the buying public.
I heard Dale Perry sells some really unique 1of1 cues over there on ebay:eek: - they must be in huge demand:grin:

JMHO -
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The Clever Set said:
Yes, Eric does make top quality cues, and my comments weren't a criticism of him or his cues. And no, I'm certainly not hurting Eric with my comments, but some of his overzealous fans might get a little perturbed, along with a few dealers. Eric's not profiting from people selling his cues at inflated prices on the secondary market.

Anyone who pays "collectors" prices (especially from dealers) for work from a living cuemaker need only look at the example of Dale Perry, whom you so kindly brought up, and is the perfect illustration of my point.

In the mid-90's Dale Perry's cues were in very high demand and regularly sold for $1500-$2500 and more. DP cues were considered very high quality and people paid top dollar for that. But, in about 2000, Dale decided to change his business model, and you now have DP 1/1 cues selling on eBay for $100, and a lot of collectors with worthless cues they paid thousands for.

That's why it's not a good idea to overpay for cues from a living cuemaker, especially if you're not buying that cue directly from the guy who made it. They might decide to change their business model and increase supply. We all know what happens then.

I don't need to look on eBay for a cue, I've got a couple of pretty good ones by a guy who makes a nice cue himself. Thanks though.
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You are comparing apples with oranges. In the past, Dale put out top quality cues, and charged people decent money for his cues, and then he decided to sell a lesser quality product done cheaper and in larger quantities to make the money for himself, and screw the dealers AND HIS REGULAR LONG-TERM CUSTOMERS that purchased cues on a regular basis - I guess you could call them dale perry collectors and avid fans of dale's work. Dale sold out for the almighty dollar, and didn't care who he hurt, if it put money in his pocket more quickly than previously. Yes, he changed his business model, and became the McCuemaker with over a billion sold using a fast food drive-thru business model.

I do not believe Eric is going to pull a PERRY, he makes cues for the love of making cues. That is why they are in demand - he does great work, and really crafts a cue for players utilizing the beauty of the wood he chooses. He has stated many times on here that he does not do it for the money, so I do not expect to see him change his business model, since it isn't a business for him. It is a hobby. So people profit from selling his cues, wow that never happens around here. And I do not believe anybody is joining the Billionaires club by selling Sugartree cues.

You show your opinion by what I have highlighted in your post - it rings loud in anyone's ears by just looking at how you choose your words and comments. Very negative against Eric and his work, even though you try to say otherwise. You might as well have started by saying I really like Eric and his cues, BUT..... Oh, wait a minute - that is what you did.
Gimme a break - be honest in how you feel and what you think of Eric's cues. Do you even know what Eric's current pricing is, or what the timeline/wait for one of his cues is currently - directly from him? If you don't, then how can you call the secondary market OVERINFLATED PRICING - COLLECTOR'S PRICES? It is all SUPPLY & DEMAND!! Hmmmm......

Yeah, call me overzealous about Eric's cues, and call me insane. Maybe you have never shot with one, so you don't know what you are missing. But I guess the super-inflated collector's prices keep you away. Why not just order one directly from Eric, since his prices are super cheap, and he is pumping cues out faster than oil did from the BP rig in the gulf. Maybe it's the fact that you can't steal one, since he does have a pretty strong following, and a long list of people just waiting to get a cue from him(if you are lucky enough to get on "THE LIST"). Prices would certainly be higher than original price from Eric, because it takes a lot for somebody to commit to sell their Sugartree, once they have waited long for it, and designed it with Eric. SHIZZLE AIN'T CHEAP!!! Call me whatever you want, but at least I can admit to my opinion and will gladly say what I feel and think.

I suggest you should do the same, otherwise you are only fooling yourself. I might have been born at night, but it certainly wasn't last night.

JMHO -
Michael "sugar fanatic" Wilson -

I am not perturbed in the least, but I just hate hearing the sound of my BS-meter going nuts

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No question about erics quality... that`s the reason why i wanted to buy the cue and thats the reason why it is worth that much. Surely 650 would be a good snap, but i would buy it also if it was 850... If the seller is surprised about the possibilitys after he offered it for 650 (an offer that i took) and he decides to take more money, he could ask for and make a new price. Not fine but his right to do. JUST NOT TO RESPONSE after some took the offer realy fast is just unreliable and very unfriendly. A Guy who act like this seems to be very suspect in integrity and i would think twice if i should make any deals with him in future, cause you don`t know what he will do else to keep his own benefit, without careing about any other people. Like i said in the post before, where i come from, this is a no-go and those guys are out of the market very quick.
 
You guys are really something. I had a family emergency and was out of town and Yes I sold it to the first person that PM'd me and for the price I asked jeez people move on. I have had many deals on here with my herceks and my searing with the best buyer and never had one problem. Anyways I'm done with this and yes I have a baby on the way so forgive me if I have more pressing matters on my mind than hanging out on a pool forum talking about a cue that is already sold.. I didn't sell it for the full amount cause it's used and has the chip in the finish on the buttcap and I needed to sell it quick i didn't feel like haggling with all the hagglers on this board for days on end and then having to deal with drama cause the cue isn't "perfect" so yeah i took a 150 lose but you know what it spared me the drama. thanks
 
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