Sheesh... I can't wait for Stan's video to come out.
A number of people feel exactly the same way
Lou Figueroa
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A number of people feel exactly the same way
Lou Figueroa
Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm certainly looking forward to having this added to Dr. Dave's CTE Resource page
Lou Figueroa
Why not? Instead of telling us what HE knows about CTE he relishes in copy/pasting everyone else's ideas knowing it muddies the waters even more.
David Alciatore will NEVER answer the two simple questions I posed to him on the subject.
Why is it youze guys get to insist and insist on answers to your questions when all you've got is: "It's out there. You're not trying hard enough. I won't spoon feed you."
It is a joke.
Lou Figueroa
Lou, you spend a lot of time discussing CTE. I wonder how much time you spend trying to learn it, hands on? For someone so invested in the "answers", I would guess you are also trying to figure them out for yourself, right?
When I was first learning, I remember having a lot of trouble pocketing a ball with english. I didn't understand, I could pocket the ball without english (sometimes), but never with English. The even bigger problem was, I didn't know anyone in that pool room and I didn't know about online pool forums. So rather than just saying... "it can't be done" because I couldn't do it (even though I see others doing it), I played with it 'til I figured it out for myself.
You're right Lou it's a joke. It's all a big joke that "we" have all conspired to play on you and a few others.
So you don't learn CTE - no big deal, the world won't end. And if you manage to influence a few other people to the point where they won't try it then that's not a big deal either.
People do what people are going to do. I use CTE, I like it and I depend on it.
I also gamble on pool and so if it's a joke then the joke is on me. I already told you that you and I have a date and you can at least $500 from me at $50 a game.
The truth of it is however that YOU are insignificant in the world of pool. So am I.
Neither of us reach as many players as Scott Lee and Randy G. and Tom Simpson, Stan Shuffet and Steve Jennings, etc... and the YouTube videos where people are talking about CTE and how great it is for them reach more than that.
So your opinion, my opinion, Pat's opinion, meaningless. In fact the ONLY two people on the "it's a joke" side of the argument who have ANY sort of reach comparable to the instructors are Dave Alciatore and Mike Page.
And Dave is so squarely on the fence hedging his bets that crows nest on him. I doubt Mike is going to officially on YouTube come out AGAINST CTE because that would then mean that he would have to demonstrate it to some degree. Mike usually sticks to things he can prove and show in easily demonstrable ways. Sensible approach and one I should adopt.
So yeah, it's a joke. There is no spoon.
You know I think I understand why you get the answers you and others get.
In the past, I really didn't get CTE/Pro One. Now that I have a working knowledge of it, having taken a lesson with Stan, I understand a lot of the euphoria some of the users seem to exhibit and how some people play a lot better pool knowing and using CTE/Pro One.
Even when I didn't "get it", I was perfectly happy to let those who used it to have their way and to actually appreciate the fact that they had improved their game using CTE. I had no interest in knocking something that I didn't use. If someone else used it and it helped them, more power to them.
But along comes "youze" guys and not one of you can spend a day without somehow trying to ridicule CTE or one of the users. That's what is a joke.
The truth is that previously, I wasn't very impressed with any CTE player's level of play, until I saw Stan shooting and then Landon as well as Stevie Moore. There are other top players using CTE/Pro One so I figured it wouldn't hurt for me to try to learn it from the source.
I know you're not trying to learn anything a bout CTE nor or any of the other naysayers, except Dave who would like nothing more than to document it as some form of snake oil medicine.
"Youze" guys tag team CTE users from morning to dark.
It really amazes me that someone like yourself would waste your time talking about something that you have no interest in using.
Please don't tell me you really want to learn CTE. PLEASE don't do that.
Great post Cleary!
Hands on?
You're right, if you want to LEARN SOMETHING, you can!
I really like the highest rated comment on that video:
It could even be changed for local needs:
btw....I can't help noticing that the video describes a process more systematic, more specific, and more exact than CTE
And I'm certain that far more people have been pleased by and have found palmistry helpful and useful than have ever used and felt the same about CTE. How's that for evidence supporting the idea that IT WORKS!??
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The best thing one can ever do in order to really improve is to video yourself.
It's not a DVD, or lesson's or cue, but the ability to see what you are doing thats gonna bring to most bang for the buck.
You can have all the lesson's in the world, but without continuing feedback on what you are doing, you will never know for sure if your are doing it right unless you see yourself doing it.
Why do you think dancers practice in front of mirrors? Because sometimes what you think you are doing, you are not really doing. The only way to know this is to somehow see yourself.
Without seeing yourself, how do you really know you are doing the same thing everytime?
Save money on lesson's, DVD's and get a smartphone with with a camcorder app. Video yourself and learn and improve.
FWIW, the reason CTE, new sticks, new shafts, and such all appear to work is because it's something new you are trying, so you are just paying more attention to detail in what you are doing.Pleasure of Small Motions explains this.
If ya can't pick up a house stick and play as well with it as your own stick, you got along ways to go to being a pool player.
There is no magic.
It's not a DVD, or lesson's or cue, but the ability to see what you are doing thats gonna bring to most bang for the buck.
You can have all the lesson's in the world, but without continuing feedback on what you are doing, you will never know for sure if your are doing it right unless you see yourself doing it.
Why do you think dancers practice in front of mirrors? Because sometimes what you think you are doing, you are not really doing. The only way to know this is to somehow see yourself.
Without seeing yourself, how do you really know you are doing the same thing everytime?
Save money on lesson's, DVD's and get a smartphone with with a camcorder app. Video yourself and learn and improve.
FWIW, the reason CTE, new sticks, new shafts, and such all appear to work is because it's something new you are trying, so you are just paying more attention to detail in what you are doing.Pleasure of Small Motions explains this.
If ya can't pick up a house stick and play as well with it as your own stick, you got along ways to go to being a pool player.
There is no magic.
Oh, shut up.
There are two obvious reasons that rational people don't "try" CTE:
1. CTE users (while constantly criticizing others for "refusing to try" CTE) can't describe what is supposed to be "tried".
2. It's apparently a system for idiots.
pj <- expecting brisk sales
chgo
Except....uh....99.9999% (at least) of people who ever CARRIED OUT that game plan never HEARD of CTE
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However we can SHOW other people what to do and if those people are inclined then they can try it. Just like the 22 year old Chinese girl who snapped to it in five minutes.
Getting a little touchy Pat? Want to put a little sweat bet down on the reviews of Stan's DVD? I bet $100 that after six months there are more positive ones than negatives ones and I am even spotting you yours which I know will be negative.
The information is available for free. You just have to know where to look.
Well, my wife is a ballet dancer and she will tell you that you will never become a good dancer from self-observation. Dancers who want to become really good require professional instruction.
But, you're right that video taping yourself has a lot of benefit.
The test of CTE or any technique isn't in how well you do the first couple days, it's whether it sticks with you and becomes part of your game that you can depend on or not.
And that's what all these folks who learned it and use it say over and over and over.
So what if you combine the CTE method with self observation? A powerful aiming method that you can use as a starting point and then video yourself using it to make sure you are controlling your physical actions properly???
There is a difference between a theory and fact. You want to cast CTE in terms of a psychological crutch. The fact is though that the results speak for themselves.
Physical, real world results. There is no self-delusion when a player makes a shot he has never made before and does it over and over. No self-delusion when he sets up the ultra thin cuts and the backward angles and makes them. Either the balls go in or the don't.
You are 100% right. There is no magic in CTE. No self-delusion. No illusion. It's a simple set of steps and works, not just temporarily but forever.
Come on Pat, really?
You talking to me, You talking to me, You calling me an idiot?
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Three strikes, you're out.
Is he on two or three strikes I wonder??
I have personally spoken to Hal. He described to me some of his systems. I have tried to make them work and cannot. I kinda got the 5-angle to work, (but I was drinking
After 40 plus years of playing I think it's because my brain is just not wired to see pool balls that way, or maybe use that side of my brain for aiming. I do way better just looking at the whole shot and pulling the trigger when it looks good. I believe that a lot of players (who knows, maybe most) are that way.Here's something I've posted a couple of times on this:
"All I know, as someone who just 'sees the shot,' is that when I play around with these systems my shot making goes all to hell. If you were to chart it, it would look like a bowling ball falling off the kitchen table. My theory is that just doing it vs employing a system, uses different sides of your brain. So, in a sense, if you're messing with something like CTE, you really could be permanently hampering your shot making, if that side is not your optimal side when it comes to playing pool."
On another level, if something is bogus from the get-go, no amount of "trying to learn it" or "trying to figure it out" is going to make it happen. As has been said many, many, many times here on General Hospital: there are benefits that can be derived from using these systems for some people (see Dr. Dave's page on this). But not for everyone. And no amount of foot stomping from the believers is going to prove you don't need a load of "fudge" to make CTE work.
Lou Figueroa
No, there's no conspiracy (I'm not paranoid like you, John). It's just that if you want and especially pay for a magic talisman some people are going to delude themselves into believe they've gotten something magical -- you're going to stick with until, damnit, you make the thing work. And just ignore that man behind the curtain and all the little things you're fudging to make it work.
The number of people someone "reaches" is about as weak an argument as you can come up with. Turn on your TV John (you do get something other than state-sponsored TV in China, don't you?) and watch the *millions* being "reached" and who actually go and pick up their phones and buy and pay for all kinds of junk. Kevin Trudeau "reaches" more people and has become a millionaire by "reaching" a lot of feeble-minded people.
I can't believe that needs to be explained to you.
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