CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

[Shawn Armstrong]

wow. That's a good one.

Lou Figueroa

Instead of spending all your valuable time and energy busting the CTE people, how about you head down to the local mall on Friday and tell kids the truth about Santa Claus? GMT could back you up with various scientific proofs about how fast Santa would have to fly to get to all the homes in the world in one night. Then, Pat Johnson could call them all fools for believing in Santa. It would be great!

 

[lfigueroa]

But knowing what causes them and how to fix them isn't.

It's not rocket science. Most of the things you might pick up on video should be pretty easy to figure out: a sway; jumping up; a non-level stroke; setting up off center; maybe setting up higher or lower than you thought you were; an off-set head; bad follow through; inconsistent set up or PSR... You can even pick up flaws in your patterns -- it's just not so hard to figure out when you're seeing it on-screen, to just stop doing it, or doing it a different way. Video tape again and repeat as necessary.

It's no different than video taping someone giving a presentation, or interview. You watch it and go, "I didn't know I was doing all that." With just a bit of practice most people can fix the flaws on their own. Of course that doesn't mean that an instructor can't come along, bring the equipment, give a flashy presentation, print up some handouts, do the taping, and provide an analysis and charge a lot of money for something folks could have taken the initiative and done on their own ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Instead of spending all your valuable time and energy busting the CTE people, how about you head down to the local mall on Friday and tell kids the truth about Santa Claus? GMT could back you up with various scientific proofs about how fast Santa would have to fly to get to all the homes in the world in one night. Then, Pat Johnson could call them all fools for believing in Santa. It would be great!

Another zinger. Man. You really got me with that one.

Lou Figueroa
not sure
how much more
of this withering firepower
I can take

 

[cleary]

I have personally spoken to Hal. He described to me some of his systems. I have tried to make them work and cannot. I kinda got the 5-angle to work, (but I was drinking After 40 plus years of playing I think it's because my brain is just not wired to see pool balls that way, or maybe use that side of my brain for aiming. I do way better just looking at the whole shot and pulling the trigger when it looks good. I believe that a lot of players (who knows, maybe most) are that way.

Here's something I've posted a couple of times on this:

"All I know, as someone who just 'sees the shot,' is that when I play around with these systems my shot making goes all to hell. If you were to chart it, it would look like a bowling ball falling off the kitchen table. My theory is that just doing it vs employing a system, uses different sides of your brain. So, in a sense, if you're messing with something like CTE, you really could be permanently hampering your shot making, if that side is not your optimal side when it comes to playing pool."

On another level, if something is bogus from the get-go, no amount of "trying to learn it" or "trying to figure it out" is going to make it happen. As has been said many, many, many times here on General Hospital: there are benefits that can be derived from using these systems for some people (see Dr. Dave's page on this). But not for everyone. And no amount of foot stomping from the believers is going to prove you don't need a load of "fudge" to make CTE work.

Lou Figueroa

I 100% agree that not everyone needs CTE or any change to their game, if everything works right. Johnny Archer seems to be doing, whatever he's doing, very well.

While you might not need it, I find it hard to believe that you are not able to learn/use it. Is it like giving an 8 year old veggies? They start spitting it out before it hits their lips. That's the only logical thing I can think of.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

1. Want to make a large wager that I can't describe CTE?

Wanna bet we can't agree on what "describe" means?

2. If I am an idiot why did I figure it out before you?

Figure what out?

And, I despise your "idiot" reference!!!!

You need a better sales force.

pj
chgo

 

[Neil]

It's not rocket science. Most of the things you might pick up on video should be pretty easy to figure out: a sway; jumping up; a non-level stroke; setting up off center; maybe setting up higher or lower than you thought you were; an off-set head; bad follow through; inconsistent set up or PSR... You can even pick up flaws in your patterns -- it's just not so hard to figure out when you're seeing it on-screen, to just stop doing it, or doing it a different way. Video tape again and repeat as necessary.

It's no different than video taping someone giving a presentation, or interview. You watch it and go, "I didn't know I was doing all that." With just a bit of practice most people can fix the flaws on their own. Of course that doesn't mean that an instructor can't come along, bring the equipment, give a flashy presentation, print up some handouts, do the taping, and provide an analysis and charge a lot of money for something folks could have taken the initiative and done on their own ;-)

Lou Figueroa

I know you're not that naive. So, it must just be that you are still one of the old timers that don't want anyone else to learn anything , just in case you might play them someday.

If you think it's that easy, then why don't you ever give any advice on all the videos people have submitted for review on AZB?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Instead of spending all your valuable time and energy busting the CTE people, how about you head down to the local mall on Friday and tell kids the truth about Santa Claus?

So you do see the similarities. Good for you.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...we can SHOW other people what to do

No, you can't, John. I was there, remember? You're simply incapable of that.

Just like the 22 year old Chinese girl who snapped to it in five minutes.

You probably think this is an argument in your favor.

Getting a little touchy Pat?

More like weary of dancing around the obvious, John.

Want to put a little sweat bet down on the reviews of Stan's DVD?

We've already heard the reviews. You've been promoting CTE for months despite the fact that you admit you don't know what it is. Sound familiar?

The information is available for free. You just have to know where to look.

Then why don't you have it?

pj
chgo

 

[cleary]

Wanna bet we can't agree on what "describe" means?


Figure what out?


You need a better sales force.

pj
chgo

What do you get out of this? Do you have dreams about CTE? You and Lou invest so much time into proving something doesn't work to people WHO USE IT. That couldn't make less sense. Its not exactly the same as arguing over religion, historical conspiracies, or who's the best boxer... The fact that CTE works is not the matter of opinion. People on and off this forum use it in their everyday game, and if it "didn't work", they wouldn't use it long.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

cleary:
You and Lou invest so much time into proving something doesn't work

This is why you guys aren't considered the sharpest spoons in the drawer. I've never said CTE doesn't work.

pj
chgo

 

[JB Cases]

No, you can't, John. I was there, remember? You're simply incapable of that

I showed you and you wouldn't try it.

You probably think this is an argument in your favor.

It is.

More like weary of dancing around the obvious, John.

Then go away. Stop meddling in something you refuse to learn.

We've already heard the reviews. You've been promoting CTE for months despite the fact that you admit you don't know what it is. Sound familiar?

I said I can't explain it to you in a way that satisfies you. I know what it is and how to do it.

I find it hilarious that after ALL these years you could not pick up the phone and make a call and get the information directly.

If it's SO OBVIOUS then why not get the information directly? Other people got it.

Then you could be the hero who not only publishes the EXACT instructions of CTE but then also dissects them. But no, for some reason you prefer to argue from a point of ignorance. Which is what it is, pure ignorance.

Then why don't you have it?

pj
chgo

How do you know I don't?

I guarantee you I have CTE down more than you. Why don't you have it? You have way more of your ego invested in this than I do. I am just a cheerleader who stands up and says "it works". My opinion on CTE is meaningless as is yours. Only I know how to do it and you don't.

You seem like the type of guy who would ask a hot woman standing in front of you ready to make out if one breast was slightly larger than the other one and insist on measuring them. And not as a joke or foreplay.

For someone who claims to aim by feel you really ought to let go and try new things once in a while. You might just find that it feels better.

 

[cleary]

This is why you guys aren't considered the sharpest spoons in the drawer. I've never said CTE doesn't work.

pj
chgo

Then what the hell is your point? Why do you spend so much time invested in these CTE threads? You have absolutely nothing else to do besides piss people off?

 

[stan shuffett]

Wanna bet we can't agree on what "describe" means?


Figure what out?


You need a better sales force.

pj
chgo

I can describe THE CTE. I am willing to let a panel of unbiased observers determine if I describe the system to a high standard. And I will wager a large amount.

The system you have been unable to unravel for the last 10 years..you could not get it but I did.

The system will sell itself over time....I am not worried about sales forces.

Again, I do not like your idiot statement. You are really something!!

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

This is why you guys aren't considered the sharpest spoons in the drawer. I've never said CTE doesn't work.

pj
chgo

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

You could learn a thing or two from this. Unfortunately, it hinges on a belief in God, which I cannot prove.

 

[cleary]

This is why you guys aren't considered the sharpest spoons in the drawer. I've never said CTE doesn't work.

pj
chgo

Yes, I'm not the 'sharpest spoon in the drawer', yet you're the one who can't understand a simple aiming system that has been described and shown in videos. I would imagine you'll have a heart attack if you ever watch Stan's video.

 

[Neil]

This is why you guys aren't considered the sharpest spoons in the drawer. I've never said CTE doesn't work.

pj
chgo

:killingme::killingme:
Thanks for the laugh! You try and make "us" look dumb, and instead it backfires! It's supposed to be "KNIVES", not "SPOONS". Nobody wants a sharp spoon. Oh, and at least "we" are in the drawer!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Stan:
I do not like your idiot statement.

I think you're confusing my meaning. I don't think your system is idiotic. It may well be genius.

But the users of it (at least the ones who mix it up in these CTE threads), well...

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Neil:
It's supposed to be "KNIVES", not "SPOONS".

Thanks for sorting that out for me, Neil. Guess I was wrong about what kind of utensil you are.

pj <- omg
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

You could learn a thing or two from this. Unfortunately, it hinges on a belief in God, which I cannot prove.

All you have to do is change "God grant me" to "I'd like to have".

pj
chgo

 

[stan shuffett]

I think you're confusing my meaning. I don't think your system is idiotic. It may well be genius.

But the users of it (at least the ones who mix it up in these CTE threads), well...

pj
chgo

Well, you clearly stated that CTE is apparently a system for idiots. My son, Landon uses CTE. I use CTE......many of my students use CTE.

Stan